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    Bloomberg.com May 16
    Goldman boosted its price estimate for the second half of this year to $141 a barrel, from $107, citing supply constraints. China may increase fuel imports to generate power after the most powerful earthquake in 58 years killed more than 22,000 and damaged hydroelectric plants. Oil and commodities, including gold and platinum, also advanced on the falling dollar.

    ``We can blame Goldman again,'' said Nauman Barakat, senior vice president of global energy futures at Macquarie Futures USA Inc. in New York. ``In March 2005 they predicted that prices would rise dramatically, and they did. Prices jumped to the $125 level after another Goldman report less than two weeks ago. At this point nobody wants to bet against Goldman.''

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    West Texas Intermediate, the benchmark oil grade traded in New York, will rise to $135.30 in the third quarter and $145.60 in the fourth quarter, Goldman said. Prices will increase further in 2009, averaging $148 a barrel, according to the report written by analysts including Peter Oppenheimer and Jeffrey Currie.

    Goldman analyst Arjun N. Murti wrote in a report on May 6 that ``the possibility of $150-$200 per barrel seems increasingly likely over the next six-24 months.'' Murti first wrote of a ``super spike'' in March 2005, predicting crude may trade between $50 and $105 a barrel through 2009.

    ``The Goldman report gives fund managers an excuse to push prices higher,'' said Michael Fitzpatrick, vice president for energy risk management at MF Global Ltd. in New York.

    Hedge-fund managers and other large speculators increased their net-long positions in New York crude-oil futures in the week ended May 13, according to Commodity Futures Trading Commission data released after floor trading ended today. Longs have outnumbered shorts since February 2007.


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    Ambrose Evans-Pritchard has a little bit from the report and some Investment Bankers that do not agree.

    "We believe the current energy crisis may be coming to a head. A 'super-spike' end game may be in the early stages of playing out," said Arjun Murti, the bank's energy strategist.

    Goldman Sachs said a chronic lack of supply would lead to a "dramatic and continuous rise in oil prices", followed at some point by a sharp fall in oil demand as consumers retrench.

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    Goldman Sachs said the spare capacity of the OPEC cartel is already near "minimal" levels. There is a risk that Saudi Arabia will fail to meet output targets, suffering the same sorts of setbacks that have plagued Western oil companies.

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    Citigroup said prices may fall to $40 a barrel within two years as the cycle turns in time-honoured fashion and fresh supply emerges.

    Lehman Brothers said this week that crude prices had surged far ahead of rise in the underlying cost structure of the industry - typically a warning sign at the end of a cycle.

    The drilling cost for oil and gas wells has actually fallen slightly over the last two years, and even deepwater rig rates have been flat after jumping five-fold since 2004. Some 65 deepwater rigs are coming on stream over the next two years, compared to 10 from 2002 to 2007.

    "We believe the energy sector is about to see the explosion in the availability of rigs to explore and develop petroleum in deep waters," said Lehman Brothers, citing fields in the Atlantic Basin, the Gulf of Mexico, the northwest shelves off Alaska and Norway and new discoveries off the coast of Brazil.
    What do you guys think of Lehmans' deep-water assessment?

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    Re: Goldman analyst Arjun N. Murti: $150-$200 seems likely in the next six to 24 mon

    Originally posted by babbittd View Post
    Bloomberg.com May 16


    Ambrose Evans-Pritchard has a little bit from the report and some Investment Bankers that do not agree.



    What do you guys think of Lehmans' deep-water assessment?
    These guys are muppets, and where was the goldman slurps analyst when oil was at $60/bbl? Will he say oil may go up to $250/bbl once it hits 225? Will he say it'll go down to 70/bbl if it falls to 80/bbl?

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      Re: Goldman analyst Arjun N. Murti: $150-$200 seems likely in the next six to 24 mon

      Seeing as going from $127 to $150 in 24 months is probably a lot less than the rise in the money supply here over that period, that's hardly going out on a limb.

      You'll see similar rises in the costs of many things necessary to life.

      It' the dollar losing value, not just oil becoming scarce or driven up by speculation.

      It's called monetary inflation. See the 1970's.

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        Re: Goldman analyst Arjun N. Murti: $150-$200 seems likely in the next six to 24 mon

        I agree, these analysts are muppets. Now that the price is hovering around $125 they are predicting it will mover up $20-80 over the next 6 to 24 months. Wow, they have amazing analytic abilities :-(

        The cat is out of the bag. Each day, each month each year a oil/gas field out their is declining in its productive capacity. Hence supply will be diminishing.

        UNLESS demand can be curtailed, supply decreases will drive the price upwards. Very simple.

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          Re: Goldman analyst Arjun N. Murti: $150-$200 seems likely in the next six to 24 mon

          Originally posted by brucec42 View Post
          Seeing as going from $127 to $150 in 24 months is probably a lot less than the rise in the money supply here over that period, that's hardly going out on a limb.
          great point, thanks guys. Boone Pickens was just on CNBC talking about $150 oil in 2008.

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            Re: Goldman analyst Arjun N. Murti: $150-$200 seems likely in the next six to 24 mon

            Originally posted by babbittd View Post
            Bloomberg.com May 16


            Ambrose Evans-Pritchard has a little bit from the report and some Investment Bankers that do not agree.



            What do you guys think of Lehmans' deep-water assessment?
            Deep water is a small part of the whole petroleum supply picture worldwide, albeit an increasingly important part. The industry is trying to find every way possible to decrease it's F&D costs (finding and development); more rigs will drop the day rates, and the newest rigs will have better, more productive drilling technologies and the latest safety improvements. These rigs are probably already booked because it's difficult to finance a rig without a long term contract with a counterparty with a sound balance sheet.

            Just because day rates may go down won't drop the price of drill bits, casing and tubing, downhole equipment, experienced personnel (this is a very big bottleneck now). Just finding staff for the expanding fleet is a headache (to the degree older rigs are not being scrapped). How many iTulipers are recommending that their children become a driller or tool push? Yeh, I thought so... :rolleyes:

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              Re: Goldman analyst Arjun N. Murti: $150-$200 seems likely in the next six to 24 mon

              Speaking of deep water drilling. What are your thoughts regarding West Africa offshore fields? Being they may hold the same sort of fields found offshore Brazil, since they were once connected 200 million years ago.
              Greg

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                Re: Goldman analyst Arjun N. Murti: $150-$200 seems likely in the next six to 24 mon

                Originally posted by BiscayneSunrise View Post
                Speaking of deep water drilling. What are your thoughts regarding West Africa offshore fields? Being they may hold the same sort of fields found offshore Brazil, since they were once connected 200 million years ago.
                The oil companies are already into the deep water offshore Nigeria (the most prolific and developed of the West Africa oil nations). Angola is getting increasing attention, including the sub-salt play that got all the press from Brazil. Prospects are excellent to find much more oil. But just like Brazil it will take lots of technology, lots of money and lots of time to find it and get it to surface and shore.

                And if anyone announces they've found 33 billion barrels off West Africa before they even TD their second well, don't believe them...:p

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                  Re: Goldman analyst Arjun N. Murti: $150-$200 seems likely in the next six to 24 mon

                  Thanks GRG,

                  Given, the increasing importance of oil it is likely oil producers will have an equally increasing self interest in fudging available reserves. Hence, the breathless announcements from Brazil

                  Is the technology available or yet to be developed?

                  If the oil is, in fact, there and given an ideal set of conditions, what would be the earliest these deep water fields could produce commercially?
                  Greg

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                    Re: Goldman analyst Arjun N. Murti: $150-$200 seems likely in the next six to 24 mon

                    Originally posted by BiscayneSunrise View Post
                    Thanks GRG,

                    Given, the increasing importance of oil it is likely oil producers will have an equally increasing self interest in fudging available reserves. Hence, the breathless announcements from Brazil

                    Is the technology available or yet to be developed?

                    If the oil is, in fact, there and given an ideal set of conditions, what would be the earliest these deep water fields could produce commercially?
                    Deepwater investment off Africa has been happening in earnest since the early 1990's.

                    Here's just one example from Shell Nigeria:
                    http://www.offshore-technology.com/projects/bonga/

                    Chevron and BP, among others, have been very active offshore Angola over past 15 or so years. The industry is gradually moving further from shore off Africa, just as they have in the US Gulf of Mexico and off Brazil. That's the unexplored part of the basin, so that's what you do...

                    Here's another example in the ultra-deepwater from BP Angola from earlier this year that didn't get the hype surrounding Brazil.

                    Maybe that's because it's the 15th successful well on this block, and the fourth sub-salt well, instead of an OPEC sized "discovery" declared while the 2nd well was still drilling...:rolleyes:
                    http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?...tentId=7040678

                    BP have been applying their sub-salt exploration capability developed largely on this play in Angola and in the Gulf of Mexico to the same problem in other places like Egypt's Gulf of Suez (Saqarra project which is about to start production).

                    Note the decade-plus timetables from award of lease to confirmed discoveries and first production in both the above examples. Once again, these plays and projects require lots of technology, lots of money and lots of time to get the oil to a refinery gate.

                    One advantage of deep/ultra-deep water is fewer security issues like the near-shore installations in Nigeria are now experiencing. The political residue left over from the Angola civil war is the primary reason that country's onshore oil development in northern Cabinda province has badly lagged the more expensive offshore activity.

                    Finally, one thing to watch for in all deep water offshore is the issue of climate change and gas flaring. These facilities are a long way from any natural gas market, and the associated natural gas surplus to that required to operate the facilities has to be re-injected into the reservoir, or it is flared to atmosphere. I wonder how long that's going to continue before the climate change initiatives put an end to it (jurisdictions like the US Gulf of Mexico have very strict controls on flaring, but South America and Africa are a different matter). Shell, for example, intends to build a gas pipeline from Bonga to get the gas to its existing LNG plant at Bonny, Nigeria (but I bet they produce oil and flare some gas long before the underwater gas pipeline is completed).

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