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  • End is in Sight for Writedowns. 3/13/08

    S&P Says End in Sight for Writedowns on Subprime Debt (Update5)

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...l.E&refer=home

    March 13 (Bloomberg) -- Standard & Poor's said the end is in sight for writedowns by the world's financial institutions on debt linked to subprime mortgages.

    Writedowns from subprime-tied securities will probably rise to $285 billion, or $20 billion more than S&P forecast two months ago, the New York-based ratings company said today in a report. More than $150 billion of writedowns have been reported by banks, brokers and insurers, the firm said. S&P raised its estimate as it assumes deeper losses on collateralized debt obligations.

    ``The positive news is that, in our opinion, the global financial sector appears to have already disclosed the majority of valuation writedowns'' on subprime debt, S&P credit analyst Scott Bugie said in a statement. Losses on other debt such as leveraged loans are still likely to increase, the report said.
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    S&P said that it now expects larger losses from ``high- grade'' CDOs used to repackage asset-backed securities with AAA, AA or A ratings into new debt. Holdings of highly rated bonds backed by Alt-A mortgages, which are a step below subprime loans in terms of expected defaults, pose a risk to those CDOs, according to a report this week from Barclays Capital analysts. The high-grade CDOs also own top classes from other CDOs.
    Citigroup and Merrill Lynch are already valuing the ``super- senior,'' or safest, classes of these CDOs at 52 percent and 68 percent discounts, S&P said, compared with 30 percent at the broader range of banks that own them.

    As much as $75 billion of writedowns from subprime-tied CDOs will be offset by gains of the same amount because they'll stem from so-called credit-default swaps, S&P said. The swaps cover losses if securities aren't repaid as expected, in return for regular insurance-like premiums. Even so, the losses will damage financial firms' earnings, capital, and reputations, S&P said.

    S&P said an end to subprime writedowns and increased disclosure probably won't be enough to staunch financial companies' losses.
    Do you reckon this is correct?
    Jim 69 y/o

    "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

    Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

    Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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    Re: End is in Sight for Writedowns. 3/13/08

    Originally posted by Jim Nickerson View Post
    S&P Says End in Sight for Writedowns on Subprime Debt (Update5)

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...l.E&refer=home


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    Do you reckon this is correct?
    No Jim, not by a long shot. At the most basic level, the data to support my opinion is at the St. Louis FRED

    http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/

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      Re: End is in Sight for Writedowns. 3/13/08

      It's shocking and yet not surprising that the market rallied on the headline without evaluating further. Alt-A backed products will collapse and then we'll get into the munis as EJ predicts. Every day a new hedge fund will blow up and the fed will run out of fantasy bullets to prop up these banks.

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      • #4
        Re: End is in Sight for Writedowns. 3/13/08

        http://www.bloomberg.com/avp/avp.htm...kRE5BtpYMk.asf

        22 min. video Stephen Roach--Morgan Stanley Asia. No apparent doubt in his remarks about recession. Says, "We are not out of the woods."

        Discusses Asia, China, Japan, Chinese inflation.

        Commodites prices are sensitive to economic cycle, about to see weaker economic growth which should put downward pressure on commodities.--says he has thought this for a while and has been dead wrong so far. Food may be less affected by cyclical downturn in economies.

        One might argue he even supports EJ Poom thesis coming out of the current downturn.
        Jim 69 y/o

        "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

        Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

        Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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        • #5
          Re: End is in Sight for Writedowns. 3/13/08

          You know, if i was GOD & i took pity on these Assholes and came down to earth and waved a magic wand and made all the bad debt dissapear....what would we have?

          A US (& UK) with BUGGER all manufactoring and a shit load of Banks who where so dogy that you wouldn't even buy a postage stamp off them!

          The "REAL" action is happening In Russia/China/India........Not in London or Wall St.

          Even with the Debt gone..........IT'S OVER!
          Mega

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          • #6
            Re: End is in Sight for Writedowns. 3/13/08

            Depends on your point of view.

            If you are talking straight "subprime", then the end might be in sight.

            But writedowns in general...no friggin' way.

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            • #7
              Re: End is in Sight for Writedowns. 3/13/08

              (been reading itulip for almost a yr now...first time post)

              kudlow is on cnbc right now totally jubilant that the "end is near" - claims "there is a lot of value in these [subprime] loans..."

              his continued bullish views (he's been bullish all the way down) is unbelievable...

              i don't know why i watch this garbage..

              goldman and merrill are predicting another 15-30% decline in home prices from here (per article in today's wsj)...

              maybe the subprime stuff is close to being fully writen down, but with continued pressure on home prices it's not going to be just subprime loans that will require writedown

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              • #8
                Re: End is in Sight for Writedowns. 3/13/08

                na

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                • #9
                  Re: End is in Sight for Writedowns. 3/13/08

                  Excellent chart, Bill. Largest ARM reset will be July of this year. S&P must be pretending that Alt-A and "payment-option" loans don't exist....

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                  • #10
                    Re: End is in Sight for Writedowns. 3/13/08

                    This is about as accurate as "Subprime is contained" and "Mission Accomplished", which is to say, not very...

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                    • #11
                      Re: End is in Sight for Writedowns. 3/13/08

                      I keep wondering whether Kudlow is smarter than he seems! Now i grant this may not rank up there as one of the great wonders of the world...however.....I keep watching the toad too! Maybe i just love to hate...or maybe i get some ego trip from watching people on TV who are even dumber than me....or i just love the release of hurling abuse at the TV...it's eithjer that or I'd have Rick's problem with the strong drink...well actually i combine both !
                      Anyway, the point is that although Kudlow comes across as thick as 4 bricks...maybe he is just an entertainer and gets paid for the audience...us
                      I won't go near the ethical question of conning the average poor idiot and the destruction of a great nation!

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                      • #12
                        Re: End is in Sight for Writedowns. 3/13/08

                        Originally posted by Sapiens View Post
                        No Jim, not by a long shot. At the most basic level, the data to support my opinion is at the St. Louis FRED

                        http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/
                        Is the St. Louis FRED one of the ours (that EJ lends out from time to time), or do they have one of their own?? Just wonderin' ;)

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                        • #13
                          Re: End is in Sight for Writedowns. 3/13/08

                          Originally posted by The Outback Oracle View Post
                          I keep wondering whether Kudlow is smarter than he seems! Now i grant this may not rank up there as one of the great wonders of the world...however.....I keep watching the toad too! Maybe i just love to hate...or maybe i get some ego trip from watching people on TV who are even dumber than me....or i just love the release of hurling abuse at the TV...it's eithjer that or I'd have Rick's problem with the strong drink...well actually i combine both !
                          Anyway, the point is that although Kudlow comes across as thick as 4 bricks...maybe he is just an entertainer and gets paid for the audience...us
                          I won't go near the ethical question of conning the average poor idiot and the destruction of a great nation!
                          Kudlow isn't dumb. Financial TV is the same as all other forms of TV; they have to attract and retain an audience (or the advertisers abandon ship). Bubblevision's bullish bias is rooted in the well documented trend of viewership increases when market trends and stories are positive, and declines when the tone of the daily financial news is bearish. That's the reason they behave the way they do - it's their job. And they really have their work cut out right now.

                          As for the "End in Sight" nonsense, this is another characteristic of financial news reporting that we all know so well. An event that can't be "explained" isn't news. Notice the wide gap between what S&P actually said in their release, and the all-joy-all-the-time spin the financial media (including Bloomberg) broadcast. Positive market turn-around days, like yesterday, are pure gold for financial TV. It keeps viewers engaged, and draws new viewers in as the day progresses to the all important prime-time hours.

                          TV is first and foremost entertainment - no matter which channel you are watching. No reason to treat Bubblevision any differently.

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                          • #14
                            Re: End is in Sight for Writedowns. 3/13/08

                            If I were an official at the SEC or the FBI, I would be immediately starting a securities fraud investigation, because that S&P report is so far off from reality, only purposeful manipulation would be the reason to issue that report. It's the whole incompetence v. dishonest debate, and in this case I don't see any cause for debate.

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                            • #15
                              Re: End is in Sight for Writedowns. 3/13/08

                              Originally posted by DemonD View Post
                              If I were an official at the SEC or the FBI, I would be immediately starting a securities fraud investigation, because that S&P report is so far off from reality, only purposeful manipulation would be the reason to issue that report. It's the whole incompetence v. dishonest debate, and in this case I don't see any cause for debate.

                              Demond, Seriously with all due respect for you, I expect if you were either you would be in someone's back pocket. The system from top to bottom is irreversibly corrupt. I know I shall not live to see it changed, and I doubt that the youngest among us will either.
                              Jim 69 y/o

                              "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

                              Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

                              Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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