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    As politicians face budget deficits, we'll be hearing less talk that they're "tough on crime" and more talk on "smart alternatives to imprisionment".

    "The report said the United States is the world's incarceration leader, far ahead of more populous China with 1.5 million people behind bars. It said the U.S. also is the leader in inmates per capita (750 per 100,000 people), ahead of Russia (628 per 100,000) and other former Soviet bloc nations which make up the rest of the Top 10.

    Using updated state-by-state data, the report said 2,319,258 adults were held in U.S. prisons or jails at the start of 2008one out of every 99.1 adults, and more than any other country in the world.

    For the first time in history, more than one in every 100 American adults is in jail or prison, according to a new report tracking the surge in inmate population and urging states to rein in corrections costs with alternative sentencing programs.

    The report, released today by the Pew Center on the States, said the 50 states spent more than $49 billion on corrections last year, up from less than $11 billion 20 years earlier. The rate of increase for prison costs was six times greater than for higher education spending, the report said.

    The steadily growing inmate population "is saddling cash-strapped states with soaring costs they can ill afford and failing to have a clear impact either on recidivism or overall crime," said the report.

    Susan Urahn, managing director of the Pew Center on the States, said budget woes are prompting officials in many states to consider new, cost-saving corrections policies that might have been shunned in the recent past for fear of appearing soft on crime.

    "We're seeing more and more states being creative because of tight budgets," she said in an interview. "They want to be tough on crime, they want to be a law-and-order state — but they also want to save money, and they want to be effective."

    The report cited Kansas and Texas as states which have acted decisively to slow the growth of their inmate population. Their actions include greater use of community supervision for low-risk offenders and employing sanctions other than reimprisonment for ex-offenders who commit technical violations of parole and probation rules.

    The largest percentage increase — 12 percent — was in Kentucky, where Gov. Steve Beshear highlighted the cost of corrections in his budget speech last month. He noted that the state's crime rate had increased only about 3 percent in the past 30 years, while the state's inmate population has increased by 600 percent.

    The Pew report was compiled by the Center on the State's Public Safety Performance Project, which is working directly with 13 states on developing programs to divert offenders from prison without jeopardizing public safety.
    "For all the money spent on corrections today, there hasn't been a clear and convincing return for public safety," said the project's director, Adam Gelb. "More and more states are beginning to rethink their reliance on prisons for lower-level offenders and finding strategies that are tough on crime without being so tough on taxpayers."

    The report said prison growth and higher incarceration rates do not reflect a parallel increase in crime or in the nation's overall population. Instead, it said, more people are behind bars mainly because of tough sentencing measures, such as "three-strikes" laws, that result in longer prison stays.

    The nationwide figures, as of Jan. 1, include 1,596,127 people in state and federal prisons and 723,131 in local jails — a total 2,319,258 out of almost 230 million American adults."

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5578481.html
    Last edited by World Traveler; February 28, 2008, 02:23 PM.

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    What the US needs is more people in prisons that have fewer things that in any way makes them tolerable places to be. The increased incarcerations should start on Capitol Hill, work its way through all levels of governments, and then continue with the corporations. Too bad Ken Lay died and good that Bernie Evers, was the the Worldcom guy, didn't."
    Last edited by Jim Nickerson; February 28, 2008, 02:42 PM.
    Jim 69 y/o

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      Re: U.S.-Biggest Jail Population in World-Expensive

      Originally posted by Jim Nickerson View Post
      What the US needs is more people in prisons that have fewer things that in any way makes them tolerable places to be. The increased incarcerations should start on Capitol Hill, work its way through all levels of governments, and then continue with the corporations. To bad Ken Lay died and good that Bernie Evers, was the the Worldcom guy, didn't."
      i'm no fan of prisons, especially sending kids to jail for minor drug violations. now that's a crime. but crime rates usually go up in recessions anyway and if states open the prison doors because they can't afford to hold so many prisoners we can add a crime wave to our other woes 2009/2010.

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        Originally posted by metalman View Post
        i'm no fan of prisons, especially sending kids to jail for minor drug violations. now that's a crime. but crime rates usually go up in recessions anyway and if states open the prison doors because they can't afford to hold so many prisoners we can add a crime wave to our other woes 2009/2010.
        Well, let the kids out and put in the real crooks.

        Is there any consideration that the reason we have more people in prison is because we have more crooks, despite the lack of alacrity with which we discover and prosecute the bastards?
        Jim 69 y/o

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          Re: U.S.-Biggest Jail Population in World-Expensive

          Originally posted by Jim Nickerson View Post
          Well, let the kids out and put in the real crooks.

          Is there any consideration that the reason we have more people in prison is because we have more crooks, despite the lack of alacrity with which we discover and prosecute the bastards?
          our prisons are full of poor people. if you're rich you can smoke $100 bag dope in front of a police station. if you're poor and get caught with a rock you're in prison no questions asked. justice is for sale in the usa, like everything else.

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            Originally posted by metalman View Post
            our prisons are full of poor people. if you're rich you can smoke $100 bag dope in front of a police station. if you're poor and get caught with a rock you're in prison no questions asked. justice is for sale in the usa, like everything else.
            Could what you are describing be yet another sign that the USA is, let's see how should I say it, fucked up?
            Jim 69 y/o

            "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

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              Re: U.S.-Biggest Jail Population in World-Expensive

              Er have either of you gents ever been a victium of crime?
              Mike

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                Originally posted by Mega View Post
                Er have either of you gents ever been a victium of crime?
                Mike
                I was burglarized a couple of times years back but that was no particularly big deal, but it is the day-in day-out crap that pervades politics and likely a whole lot of the investment world that tends toward rubbing me the wrong way. I stated in my profile the day I signed up here, I despise politics. I only arrived at that within the last decade or so to any serious extent. Prior to that I clung to the ignorant, infantile, stupid, dumb opinion that surely someone whom I voted for would bring about a change that would really be better for society. It has not happened in my adult lifetime, and in my opinion it is not going to happen in the adult lifetime of the youngest offspring of anyone who reads here, unless something catastrophic causes the whole system to disappear and a new start can emerge.

                Edit: thanks for that "gents" bit.
                Jim 69 y/o

                "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

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                  Re: U.S.-Biggest Jail Population in World-Expensive

                  Carjacked............he got away with it, went on to rape and is now doing 20 for his part in a killing.........want to let him out?
                  Mike

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                    Re: U.S.-Biggest Jail Population in World-Expensive

                    Originally posted by metalman View Post
                    i'm no fan of prisons, especially sending kids to jail for minor drug violations. now that's a crime. but crime rates usually go up in recessions anyway and if states open the prison doors because they can't afford to hold so many prisoners we can add a crime wave to our other woes 2009/2010.
                    Looks like another wonderful P3 "infrastructure" opportunity, doesn't it? :rolleyes:

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                      Re: U.S.-Biggest Jail Population in World-Expensive

                      Originally posted by Jim Nickerson View Post
                      Well, let the kids out and put in the real crooks.

                      Is there any consideration that the reason we have more people in prison is because we have more crooks, despite the lack of alacrity with which we discover and prosecute the bastards?
                      I agree jn. with all the crooks on wall street. they'd have to build a few more supermaxes to handle 'em all.
                      RanMan :cool:

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                        Re: U.S.-Biggest Jail Population in World-Expensive

                        Originally posted by GeraldRiggs View Post
                        I agree jn. with all the crooks on wall street. they'd have to build a few more supermaxes to handle 'em all.
                        No, actually they should just set up some "bootcamp" facilities that are as spartan as they used to be for Marine recruits and let them bust each other's chops for survival--that's my liberal opinion on the matter.
                        Jim 69 y/o

                        "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

                        Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

                        Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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                          Re: U.S.-Biggest Jail Population in World-Expensive

                          From the DoJ BoJ Prisoners in 2006 report:

                          During 2006, the prison population grew at a faster rate than in the previous 5 years. The 2.8% increase in the number of prisoners under State or Federal jurisdiction was larger than the average annual growth rate of 1.9% from 2000 through 2005. It was also larger than the average increase of 2% per year that occurred in the 3 years prior to 2006 (figure 1). However, the 2006 growth rate was less than the annual growth rates of between 3.4% and 8.7% that occurred during the 1990s (see Prisoners in 2000, table 2).
                          From the CIA World Factbook: U.S. Population growth rate: 0.894% (2007 est.)

                          The prison population is growing three times faster than the total population.
                          Last edited by Slimprofits; February 28, 2008, 06:43 PM.

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                            Re: U.S.-Biggest Jail Population in World-Expensive

                            Originally posted by babbittd View Post
                            From the DoJ BoJ Prisoners in 2006 report:


                            From the CIA World Factbook: U.S. Population growth rate: 0.894% (2007 est.)

                            The prison population is growing three times faster than the total population.
                            babbitt, do you draw any conclusions from that?

                            Perhaps it is explainable by considering that the mostly guys in prison because they are there, they are not out fathering numerous offspring. Were that to be the case, then it is doubly good. Population control, bad guys in prison, at least the poor ones perhaps.
                            Jim 69 y/o

                            "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

                            Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

                            Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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                              Re: U.S.-Biggest Jail Population in World-Expensive

                              Originally posted by metalman View Post
                              i'm no fan of prisons, especially sending kids to jail for minor drug violations. now that's a crime. but crime rates usually go up in recessions anyway and if states open the prison doors because they can't afford to hold so many prisoners we can add a crime wave to our other woes 2009/2010.
                              Violent criminals need to be behind bars, preferably working their asses off doing work that offsets the cost of inicarceration. What ever happened to breaking rocks in the hot sun?

                              On the non-violent side, legalizing marijuana and possibly other drugs would eliminate the need to put people in prison for these 'victimless crimes'. I know a guy who did 4 years in prison for a first violation because of mandatory minimums. He wouldn't hurt a flea, but he did a drug deal to make some easy money and it turned out to be a setup. Yes, he's an idiot. But 4 years in the big house with father rapers? He probably missed out on $200k in income (and $60k in taxes) while taxpayers paid $120k to keep him locked up.

                              Prohibition didn't work and neither does the war on drugs. We should regulate 'illegal' drugs the same way we regulate alcohol and other drugs. Marijuana should be first. No brainer.

                              Originally posted by Mega
                              Carjacked............he got away with it, went on to rape and is now doing 20 for his part in a killing.........want to let him out?
                              Mike
                              Sorry to hear that, Mike. Coincidentally, the same friend mentioned above was attacked last year along with his wife and they are fortunate to have escaped with their lives. No, he doesn't mess around with drugs anymore, it was just a random crime. The scumbag got caught, but will probably do less time than my friend did for drugs. That's f'ed up.

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