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    Several years ago, after finishing The Long Emergency, I sent James Kunstler a short email asking if he was aware Itulip was back. He wasn't, but was grateful for the heads-up. It was clear he'd been a reader of the original site. As events have unfolded in the last six months, I was sure his name would be showing up on these pages more often.

    Readers unfamiliar with his books should pick up The Geography of Nowhere. It is history, not "doomer" predictions. His description of how life changed in four or five cities is especially poignant if you grew up in one he describes. The story of car companies buying up the trolley cars in L.A. has been told often, but Kunstler tells it best. Joan Didion's Where I Was From is a companion piece.

    After a heavy diet of techno, economic, and political commentary, I'm always left craving the polemic from a renegade chef. Will the obvious belt tightening and stricter environmental standards only happen in a severe economic downturn? Will rallies for a new direction only be mounted at the local level and then fizzle?

    After Hurricane Katrina, a common thread in eulogies for New Orleans was that America was losing one of its truly walk-able cities. The rewards of not owning a car and living in a place where that's possible extend far beyond financial savings. I got my best taste living outside Tokyo.

    Read The Long Emergency. Whether you believe the emergency is now or never, enjoy Kunstler's mockery of the American consumer's expectations and the squandering of energy. The days of the "3,000-mile Caesar salad" are numbered.

    My wife and I own a house in Virginia. Our neighbors run their heat pump 24/7, 365 days a year. They only use the house eight weeks a year. I wish they would winterize when they're gone and open the windows when they are there and I suspect they soon will, but I would be gob-smacked if they did so because the US government forced their hand by taxing oil up to 300 dollars a barrel. Actually, it's more likely they will sell, complaining they can't afford the utilities, rather than change their habits.

    I've been recommending Itulip and Kunstler for years with only minor cognitive dissonance.

    P.S. My wife and I will soon repatriate after living in S.E. Asia for 20 years. Where's a warm, walk-able, small city?

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    Great post Thailandnotes. I second the sentiment in your post completely.

    I grew up in a very walkable city in Europe, and then moved to New York's Manhattan, back in the days when it's grungier neighborhoods were still dirt cheap (hint: John Travolta's disco popularization was not even on the horizon yet). It was little more than a decade after the New York which had been popularized by Leonard Bernstein's "West Side Story", with real live gangs and turf wars going on, on the Upper West Side! Everything north of Lincoln Center was actually referred to as a "very dangerous neighborhood" in those old days!

    One of the wonders of Manhattan is that it is fabulously walkable. Much more so than London, for instance (much smaller). That 'village' quality is priceless to one's feeling of belonging in a place. Of course now it's prices are like Mount Everest, so this enjoyment is increasingly an exclusivity. It's very rare in the US to find that combination of a high degree of metropolitan sophistication with really, really small town walkability. You could literally span the whole island on a Sunday walk, from the wilds of grungy Tribeca to the tony upper east side and on into lower Harlem. Believe it or not, there were hundreds of *squatters* living in semi-derelict loft buildings down in Tribeca back then.

    EJ's piece on Mish / Kunstler was largely spot on, but I found the grouping of Kunstler with Mish a little incongruous. Kunstler's discourse and areas of concern are far broader and to my mind deeper, and my sense is that he explores some large themes which resist a cursory refutation. He also happens to be a pretty damn good writer, which does not harm his arguments. If I read Kunstler resorting to nouns such as 'missive' I think I'd be dumbstruck.
    Last edited by Contemptuous; February 09, 2008, 10:21 PM.

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      Re: In Defense of James Howard Kunstler

      Originally posted by Thailandnotes View Post
      Several years ago, after finishing The Long Emergency, I sent James Kunstler a short email asking if he was aware Itulip was back. He wasn't, but was grateful for the heads-up. It was clear he'd been a reader of the original site. As events have unfolded in the last six months, I was sure his name would be showing up on these pages more often.

      Readers unfamiliar with his books should pick up The Geography of Nowhere. It is history, not "doomer" predictions. His description of how life changed in four or five cities is especially poignant if you grew up in one he describes. The story of car companies buying up the trolley cars in L.A. has been told often, but Kunstler tells it best. Joan Didion's Where I Was From is a companion piece.

      After a heavy diet of techno, economic, and political commentary, I'm always left craving the polemic from a renegade chef. Will the obvious belt tightening and stricter environmental standards only happen in a severe economic downturn? Will rallies for a new direction only be mounted at the local level and then fizzle?

      After Hurricane Katrina, a common thread in eulogies for New Orleans was that America was losing one of its truly walk-able cities. The rewards of not owning a car and living in a place where that's possible extend far beyond financial savings. I got my best taste living outside Tokyo.

      Read The Long Emergency. Whether you believe the emergency is now or never, enjoy Kunstler's mockery of the American consumer's expectations and the squandering of energy. The days of the "3,000-mile Caesar salad" are numbered.

      My wife and I own a house in Virginia. Our neighbors run their heat pump 24/7, 365 days a year. They only use the house eight weeks a year. I wish they would winterize when they're gone and open the windows when they are there and I suspect they soon will, but I would be gob-smacked if they did so because the US government forced their hand by taxing oil up to 300 dollars a barrel. Actually, it's more likely they will sell, complaining they can't afford the utilities, rather than change their habits.

      I've been recommending Itulip and Kunstler for years with only minor cognitive dissonance.

      P.S. My wife and I will soon repatriate after living in S.E. Asia for 20 years. Where's a warm, walk-able, small city?
      Thank you for the recommendations. I'm sure James appreciates the defense, although I was responding to his unsolicited review.

      Walkable warm cities in the USA? That's a tough one. If you find one please let me know. My wife, who is from Taiwan and has been suffering here in the northeast for going on 20 years, will appreciate the tip. I've visited every city in the USA at least once over the past 15 years and have found that walkability is inversely related to temperature. We like to see Boston shipped over to Santa Barbara.

      Three hundred dollar oil will certainly move things in the direction of making cities more livable. Then again, maybe our government will respond by running fiber to everyone's home (instead of the $600 check to pay for more furniture to throw in the fireplace?) and pay corporations tax credits for allowing employees to work from home rather than commute, and with most entertainment already piped in then maybe no one will leave their solar/geothermal heated and wind/nuclear powered suburban home except to go to the gym.

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        DC's not warm, but it's not Boston either. Great public transportation, several dense population centers in the near-in suburbs - complete with supporting services and retail available by foot.

        In fact, I realized yesterday that I've put just over 300 miles on my car, and not bought gas, since December 14th. Good clean livin' it is.

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          Re: In Defense of James Howard Kunstler

          As you may guess from my screen name I am biased towards Miami. While it does not allow you to walk for miles across the city, there are some great micro neighborhoods. I would suggest certain parts of Miami Beach, northern sections of Brickell Avenue or parts of Coral Gables. All offer both business, shopping and social opportunities within walking distance.

          While the city is heavily Hispanic you will find people there from around the world with business interests as varied as their backgrounds. Traffic an be a bear, public transit is only fair and its' a little light on the Asian influence. But all in all, a highly pleasant cosmopolitan town.
          Greg

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            Re: In Defense of James Howard Kunstler

            Originally posted by Thailandnotes View Post
            ...P.S. My wife and I will soon repatriate after living in S.E. Asia for 20 years. Where's a warm, walk-able, small city?
            Originally posted by EJ View Post
            ...Walkable warm cities in the USA? That's a tough one. If you find one please let me know. My wife, who is from Taiwan and has been suffering here in the northeast for going on 20 years, will appreciate the tip. I've visited every city in the USA at least once over the past 15 years and have found that walkability is inversely related to temperature. We like to see Boston shipped over to Santa Barbara...
            Interesting idea. I think it is just a climatic coincidence that most American cities that were already well-established before the automobile are located in the colder northeast. Had the Dutch and English concentrated their efforts further down the seaboard, it might have turned out differently. Only a few of the Spanish settlements in the South and Southwest grew into sizable cities before the 1900's. For a warm, walkable city, I would start with these, as they're more likely to have smaller city blocks, denser housing with retail, etc.

            I think a city selection also depends on whether you want to live in a condo/apartment in the downtown core, or if you would prefer a house within walking distance of shops, restaurants, etc. If the latter, you might be surprised what you can find in cities that generally would not seem walkable. Look for cities that swallowed up nearby small towns. The old small town "main street" may remain relatively intact.

            Well, Portland is warm... in the summer. Winters are mostly in the 30's and 40's, but sometimes 20's. The eleven months of rain, however, can really drag people down.:rolleyes:

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              Houston just put in light rail system-inner city

              Houston actually has a lot more going for it than you might guess when reading the national press.

              Winters are very mild, below 40 at night is very cold for us, and average winter days are in the 50's and 60's. Today , Feb 10, the high was in the low '70's ,which is not that unusual.

              Summer weather is more predictable than winter weather, low in mid-70's and high in mid-90's every day. It doesn't get as hot here as Dallas or Austin, which have dry heat and often hit 100 (for me, Dallas and Austin can feel like blast furnaces in summer). Because Houston is closer to Gulf of Mexico, it moderates our summer heat. Humid yes, but no worse than some summer days I experienced as a kid growing up in Chicago near Lake Michigan.

              In the last 5 years Houston has put in a light rail system that goes from downtown, through the museum district, and out to Medical Center. There are a lot of nice home and townhome neighborhoods along rail system, plus light rail system was built for easy access to all the major cultural and sports venues.

              Most oil industry plants are located east or southeast of downtown (15-30 miles) so air in center of Houston not impacted by industry, only by cars, as in any other major US city.

              A good local economy, better than most right now. And of course very reasonable real estate prices by standards of any other major US city. Plus all the cutural amenities a large city can offer, opera, ballet, live theatres, musical venues, etc. Also a very good road and highway system (it's Texas after all, and Texans like mobility!).

              As a place to retire, Houston has plenty to offer. Inner city living for those who prefer that, and houses with more acreage on the outer edges, for those who prefer country living. Galveston and the Gulf of Mexoco waterfront is a 1 hour drive from downtown, lots of touristy beach stuff there.

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                Re: In Defense of James Howard Kunstler

                If you are looking for a warm, walkable, small city, I would recommend the Winter Park section of Orlando. Lots of amenities, very charming and tucked in the middle of the Orlando metro area, so even though it has a small town feel you still have big city amenities. Pretty pricy, though.

                If you want something funky and bohemian, look towards Key West (think a tropical small version of San Francisco). For a small town that is away from it all, look into either Mount Dora or St. Augustine, also both in Florida. To zoog's point, St. Augustine was originally a Spanish settlement so the old city inner core is on a very small scale. Both have also gotten expensive, though, so if you are looking for some nicer, charming small cities that are still affordable I would look at some cities in the interior of Florida like Arcadia, Bartow or La Belle. Remember, Florida is still a Southern state (with a capital S) so there is tons of old southern charm when you get away from the big cities. Along the same lines, I'll bet there are some very nice towns in parts of the US south in Alabama, Mississippi, etc that have lots of antebellum charm.

                California also offers some very nice small towns along the coast, just priced, out of sight, though.

                As for walkable, large cities that are warm, it's hard to beat Hong Kong or Singapore. Rio de Janeiro and Buenos Aires are also tops on my list for great cities of the world where one can get lost just exploring neighborhoods.
                Greg

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                  I hear Asheville, NC is a nice smaller city if you like to walk to nearby stuff. I've visited it a few times. I'm not a city person myself, preferring more space between me and the masses, especially if a mad-max-ish scenario plays out as the government tap gets shut off.

                  sounds interesting, I will have to check Kunstler out.

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                    Re: In Defense of James Howard Kunstler

                    One vote for Miami, one for Houston, one for Asheville, and one for D.C. I grew up outside of D.C. and went to school in Boone. This is purely academic. "Warm, walk-able. small." does it exist? Fort Smith, are you out there?

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                      Re: In Defense of James Howard Kunstler

                      Due to the Pacific current, no towns in California along the coast are warm in the Thailand sense.

                      SF and some towns nearby are absolutely walkable; SF itself is ideologically and culturally diverse enough that returning from out of country would be lessing jarring, but warm isn't on the menu.

                      My suggestion to consider: Austin, Texas.

                      While it is Texas, Austin is both liberal and (relatively) cosmopolitan enough that it might be acceptable.

                      The Austin downtown area is also very walkable and safe.

                      Finally, while Canadian cold air can roll all the way down, in general Austin is very warm albeit rapid temperature changes are very possible.

                      Headed down there to visit some friends in 3 days.

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                        Re: In Defense of James Howard Kunstler

                        This thread is thriving as a comprehensive USA travelogue. A bit less comment on the "defense of James Howard Kunstler" though!

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                        • #13
                          Re: In Defense of James Howard Kunstler

                          Luke, Hard to defend Kuntslter. He revels in his misanthropic view of a new dark ages. If worse comes to worse and all these alternate technologies don't pan out, these new finds off the coast of Brazil will certainly gives us more time for alternatives.

                          Anyone care to comment on how these new Brazilian fields will play out?
                          Greg

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                            Re: In Defense of James Howard Kunstler

                            Biscayne -

                            I have to look up my own notes, but as I recall those "mammoth" discoveries equal 60-80 days global consumption? Not exactly a lifesaver for the problem. I think Rajiv posted some comment on that also, but it was many months ago. Also, per this post:

                            http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...27248#poststop

                            Multiple sources now reiterate alt-energy won't cover more than 5% of global energy consumption, even extrapolating a massive push to implement it - stretching right out to 2030. Beware of imputing to 'alt-energy' the capability to fill a supply gap equivalent to 6-7 Saudi Arabia's current oil production - that is what will be required in added global production above today's levels, to meet global demand in 2025-2030.

                            As if that's not challenging enough, the CEO of Total and the CEO of Conoco Philips are both is on record in the past two - three months saying that they don't see even equivalent of one current Saudi production equivalent available from here on out. Basically they went on record in the past few months saying 'it's not there'. It's all summarised in that posted energy round-table.

                            One would need to be a bit more specific about which 'alt-energy' is going to be filling that gap. 5-6 Saudi Arabia's of future petroleum equivalent energy, coming out of 'alt-energy' in the next 15-20 years? Can someone actually pull up any projected data on that here from an industry source? These two CEO's don't know which resource you are referring to as available future petroleum, as in fact they are projecting 5-10 additional million barrels per day global production growth, at the maximum, from here on out. The CEO of Conoco Philips is one of the most well regarded in the industry. These guys don't make controversial statements like 'it is not there' without expecting they'll be challenged on it.

                            Food for thought.
                            Last edited by Contemptuous; February 12, 2008, 06:34 PM.

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                              Re: In Defense of James Howard Kunstler

                              Originally posted by Thailandnotes View Post
                              One vote for Miami, one for Houston, one for Asheville, and one for D.C. I grew up outside of D.C. and went to school in Boone. This is purely academic. "Warm, walk-able. small." does it exist? Fort Smith, are you out there?
                              Warm, walkable and small does exist: Key West, Mount Dora, St. Leo, Howey-In-The-Hills

                              If you don't care about amenities the list is almost endless as the link below suggests. One caveat, some of these 'small" cities are small towns embedded in a larger metropolitan sprawl.

                              http://www.city-data.com/city/Florida3.html
                              Greg

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