Shell oil :- Ban new ICE cars by 2030

[Mega]

Re: Shell oil :- Ban new ICE cars by 2030

An EV version of this:-

[touchring]

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To convert the whole US private auto fleet to EVs would require doubling the US electric system - generating plants, transmission, and distribution.
That's a tall order. For the market to do that organically will take a long time.

Even if electricity is free, but where will the US get the batteries to do this? And the batteries need to be changed every 10 years or less. It's totally impossible.

[Mega]

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Soild State Battery would have the life of 20-30 years, Toyota gearing up for production by 2024......no idea what the chem mix is said not to use must rare earth stuff..........& who sez everyone driving now will be driving in 5 years time ;)

[Mega]

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https://www.carscoops.com/2020/08/ch...kel-or-cobalt/

[Mega]

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https://www.theengineer.co.uk/sodium...ring-faradion/

https://www.pv-magazine-india.com/20...ring-in-india/

[Mega]

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It seems to have about 80% the power density of a average LI battery, so you need 20-25% more of it...but could be as cheap as chips..

[touchring]

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Not fuel cell?

[Mega]

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I think they missed their chance...........Toyota are saying full charge in 15 mins, thus I guess 60% charge 6?

[Techdread]

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Even if electricity is free, but where will the US get the batteries to do this? And the batteries need to be changed every 10 years or less. It's totally impossible.

Nothing is impossible, Electricity is free, we just don't know how to harness yet. We will get to a fossil fuel future.

From wikipedia.

"Solar power in the United States includes utility-scale solar power plants as well as local distributed generation, mostly from rooftop photovoltaics. As of the end of 2019, the United States had over 71.3 gigawatts (GW) of installed photovoltaic capacity. In 2018, utility scale solar power generated 66.6 terawatt-hours (TWh), 1.66% of total U.S. electricity. During the same time period total solar generation, including estimated small scale photovoltaic generation, was 96.1 TWh, 2.30% of total U.S. electricity. In terms of total cumulative installed capacity, by year end 2017 the United States ranked 2nd in the world behind China. In 2016, 39% of all new electricity generation capacity in the country came from solar, more than any other source and ahead of natural gas (29%). By 2015, solar employment had overtaken oil and gas as well as coal employment in the United States. In 2016, more than 260,000 Americans were employed in the solar industry.
The United States conducted much early research in photovoltaics and concentrated solar power. It is among the top countries in the world in electricity generated by the Sun and several of the world's largest utility-scale installations are located in the desert Southwest. The oldest solar power plant in the world is the 354-megawatt (MW) SEGS thermal power plant, in California. The Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System is a solar thermal power project in the California Mojave Desert, 40 miles (64 km) southwest of Las Vegas, with a gross capacity of 392 MW. The 280 MW Solana Generating Station is a solar power plant near Gila Bend, Arizona, about 70 miles (110 km) southwest of Phoenix, completed in 2013. When commissioned it was the largest parabolic trough plant in the world and the first U.S. solar plant with molten salt thermal energy storage.
There are plans to build many other large solar plants in the United States. Many states have set individual renewable energy goals with solar power being included in various proportions. Hawaii plans 100% renewable-sourced electricity by 2045. Governor Jerry Brown has signed legislation requiring California's utilities to obtain 100 percent of their electricity from zero-carbon sources by the end of 2045 (including 60% renewable energy sources by 2030).
The panels must be paired with batteries to function during power loss on the grid. This is a new area for panel manufacturers. Sunrun, the largest panel manufacturer, provides some units with batteries, but they are numbered in the hundreds."



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_...20electricity.



I like that kind of growth Its the exponential type. Pity Covid will have something to say about it going forward.

I do agree with GRG55, Governments need to plan this.

[Mega]

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The Problem is that Solid state offers (if it works) 2-3 times the energy density & it requires little in heating/cooling......thus a 550 kgs model 3 battery pack could come in 225 or 185 kgs.......Hydrogen is tricky to package, you got to make it, pump it, store it......or just Plug in a Battery car.

When you discovery GM had a 42 volt hybrid engine ready to go in 2002 !..........but just bribed everyone to let them carry on without it.

Sorry, but they only themselves to blame

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There isn't a hope in hell. And the more conviction I hear from pundits, politicians, the Davos set and some people on this forum that battery EVs are the future, the more convinced I become that it will never happen.

Unless someone comes up with a Shipstone, I agree.

[Mega]

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Too little, too late
https://uk.motor1.com/news/439954/hy...d-race-series/

Unless they find a way to ship Hydrogen better than today.....no sign of it

[Mega]

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..........................mean time your Overlord from China has your back!

YYYEEESSS RIIIGHt...............so, he sells you this crap while taking Oil from the rest of the World for REAL cars..

Better than taking public transport