Shell oil :- Ban new ICE cars by 2030

[Mega]

Re: Shell oil :- Ban new ICE cars by 2030

Don't worry, the CCP have your back....

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Re: Shell oil :- Ban new ICE cars by 2030

There isn't a hope in hell. And the more conviction I hear from pundits, politicians, the Davos set and some people on this forum that battery EVs are the future, the more convinced I become that it will never happen.

It'll be a shame if it does happen. EVs might be a superior choice in certain select applications (I have no idea what that might be), but as a "clean green" replacement for ICE vehicles across the board they're a total scam.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tilakdo.../#46d5d487650b

[Mega]

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You missing the point, the "Wet dream" is that EV's mean the nation in question can import far less Hydro carbons, eg using "Green" local produced power to charge them.....balance of payments

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So they won't be importing oil to run the cars. Instead they'll be dialing up the power plants to 11 to try to keep all the vehicles charged. Burning what? Manure? Fairy dust?

[GRG55]

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You missing the point, the "Wet dream" is that EV's mean the nation in question can import far less Hydro carbons, eg using "Green" local produced power to charge them.....balance of payments

Green?

So what flavour of Kool-Aid are you drinking Mike?

The largest energy source for incremental power generation in the years ahead, by far, will be natural gas. If a country has its own gas reserves it will have an advantage. If it doesn't it's going to be importing a lot of LNG.

There is absolutely no other way to make the numbers work.

[Mega]

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https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...ogen-suvs-2030

"They" want to import as little as possible
Mike

[Mega]

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[Mega]

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Meantime:-
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/i...lout-talks-end

[thriftyandboringinohio]

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...There is absolutely no other way to make the numbers work.

Just for kicks I did the math

2019 annual gasoline consumption in the US
142 billion gallons
Energy in a gallon of gasoline = 120 million Joules

So, energy from gasoline = 142.17 billion (gal/yr) x 120 million(J/gal) = 1.7 x 10^19 Joules gasoline

Looking up electrical consumption we find 15,201 PJ = 1.5 x 10^19 Joules electricity generated

So in the U.S, the energy used by the gasoline powered vehicles is about the same as all the electricity generated in the US.
It's probably fair to assume the gasoline fleet is mostly cars and light trucks, while the heavy duty fleet burns diesel.

To convert the whole US private auto fleet to EVs would require doubling the US electric system - generating plants, transmission, and distribution.
That's a tall order. For the market to do that organically will take a long time.

[Mega]

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My Nephew lad has just been given a job with Scotish power........his job will be working this problem.....he been told he be on this project for the next 30 years

[thriftyandboringinohio]

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My Nephew lad has just been given a job with Scotish power........his job will be working this problem.....he been told he be on this project for the next 30 years

Most excellent.

It's not impossible, it's just big and expensive. Similar to building the interstate highway system in the 20th century or the railroad system in the 19th.
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[Mega]

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I think we looking at a number of things:-

Ev's

Fuel Cell

& Normal gas engines, but with advanced designs (two strokes).

[shiny!]

Re: Shell oil :- Ban new ICE cars by 2030

Just for kicks I did the math

2019 annual gasoline consumption in the US
142 billion gallons
Energy in a gallon of gasoline = 120 million Joules

So, energy from gasoline = 142.17 billion (gal/yr) x 120 million(J/gal) = 1.7 x 10^19 Joules gasoline

Looking up electrical consumption we find 15,201 PJ = 1.5 x 10^19 Joules electricity generated

So in the U.S, the energy used by the gasoline powered vehicles is about the same as all the electricity generated in the US.
It's probably fair to assume the gasoline fleet is mostly cars and light trucks, while the heavy duty fleet burns diesel.

To convert the whole US private auto fleet to EVs would require doubling the US electric system - generating plants, transmission, and distribution.
That's a tall order. For the market to do that organically will take a long time.

Thank you, Thrifty. That's the math I've been looking for.

Of course, the other way they can achieve this is by killing off half of us. I don't put it past them.

[Mega]

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The Head of British national grid said that the "plan" was to reduce the number of cars in the UK from 33 million to 20 million by 2050......

[Mega]

Re: Shell oil :- Ban new ICE cars by 2030

Get with the Plan
https://insideevs.com/news/438931/sv...psa-batteries/