Greta, BLM & the BBC

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Hmmmm typical "hip" leftist, they run out of power (;)) & are pissed that BLM have top slot in the Media.

Don't get me wrong I WANT her to win, I WANT a BAN on Diesel cars......
Mike

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Hmmmm typical "hip" leftist, they run out of power (;)) & are pissed that BLM have top slot in the Media.

Don't get me wrong I WANT her to win, I WANT a BAN on Diesel cars......
Mike

I quite like her, its very interesting to know that she is autistic, Mike you have it the wrong way around the Right are the ones whom have run out of power(ideas), what answers have the right got to the problems ordinary folks are facing today?

None, Global warming is baked in now, Yet the right can only deny the evidence. Ok what the expect from a group that allied with the cultist christian church.

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I quite like her, its very interesting to know that she is autistic, Mike you have it the wrong way around the Right are the ones whom have run out of power(ideas), what answers have the right got to the problems ordinary folks are facing today?

None, Global warming is baked in now, Yet the right can only deny the evidence. Ok what the expect from a group that allied with the cultist christian church.

The best the "left" can do is repeatedly trot out an autistic teenager as the oracle that will save the world?
They are just as bereft of sound ideas and a viable vision of the future, and how to achieve it, as the right.

MMT is an absurdity. The "new green deal" worthy of a Lewis Carroll fantasy..."But I don't want to go among mad people," said Alice. "Oh, you can't help that," said the cat. "We're all mad here."

Post WWII the so-called "left" has governed most of the western democracies for far more of the time than the so-called conservatives. In my country the Liberals consider themselves the "natural governing party". And even when the conservatives form government it's policies are often indistinguishable from their Liberal or Labour counterparts. A political monoculture.

And the end result, all around the democratic nations, is a steady erosion of confidence in our public institutions. "Defund the Police" is so similar to what I witnessed first hand in the Middle East, Africa and Central Asia. Zero trust from the public. An expectation the police were arbitrary, capricious and corrupt. That they were not there to protect the public/citizens, but to intimidate, abuse and shake them down. Sound familiar?

At the extreme the only public entity the citizens still trust is the military. I wrote about this on this forum more than a decade ago. We saw this play out in Egypt during the 2011 Arab Spring demonstrations in Tahrir Square in Cairo. The Army moved in to take over from the police, and were able to restore some peace because the people correctly understood, unlike the police, the Army would not shoot their own citizens.

It's no accident the public institution the American people currently have most confidence in is their military. It's also a bit unnerving, given the growing parallel with banana republics and autocratic kleptocracies.

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https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/i...-without-phevs

in the meantime, we need a total focus on Tesla, every model he makes, they make a better one.......cut his sales, run him into the ground.
I suspect he retreat to making batteries for grid storage.......

Mike

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The best the "left" can do is repeatedly trot out an autistic teenager as the oracle that will save the world?
They are just as bereft of sound ideas and a viable vision of the future, and how to achieve it, as the right.

MMT is an absurdity. The "new green deal" worthy of a Lewis Carroll fantasy..."But I don't want to go among mad people," said Alice. "Oh, you can't help that," said the cat. "We're all mad here."

Post WWII the so-called "left" has governed most of the western democracies for far more of the time than the so-called conservatives. In my country the Liberals consider themselves the "natural governing party". And even when the conservatives form government it's policies are often indistinguishable from their Liberal or Labour counterparts. A political monoculture.

And the end result, all around the democratic nations, is a steady erosion of confidence in our public institutions. "Defund the Police" is so similar to what I witnessed first hand in the Middle East, Africa and Central Asia. Zero trust from the public. An expectation the police were arbitrary, capricious and corrupt. That they were not there to protect the public/citizens, but to intimidate, abuse and shake them down. Sound familiar?

At the extreme the only public entity the citizens still trust is the military. I wrote about this on this forum more than a decade ago. We saw this play out in Egypt during the 2011 Arab Spring demonstrations in Tahrir Square in Cairo. The Army moved in to take over from the police, and were able to restore some peace because the people correctly understood, unlike the police, the Army would not shoot their own citizens.

It's no accident the public institution the American people currently have most confidence in is their military. It's also a bit unnerving, given the growing parallel with banana republics and autocratic kleptocracies.

That is what I thought at first go to college and learn engineering, However there are enough of us now to get the job done we just need the political will, hopefully with the covid 19 crisis will help the cause.
She is correct Baby boomers are destroying the world.



Hmm US looks like it has had Republicans (the right) in charge for longer than the democrats, and I class the democrats as a right wing party.

How about my home country.

The blue Conservative bands swamp the red, you see the Blair government just as right-wing as the conservatives.

My theory is that Capitalism is in crisis, and the right do not know what to do, some see a train-wreck and think if we just keep the train moving the Techs will find a solution.
We will but you guys are not going to like it.

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https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/i...-without-phevs

in the meantime, we need a total focus on Tesla, every model he makes, they make a better one.......cut his sales, run him into the ground.
I suspect he retreat to making batteries for grid storage.......

Mike

Elon is running rings around the car industry, and is going to make a fortune with SpaceX with those satellites linking up AI's so that they can trade milliseconds faster than the under sea cables we use nowadays.
HP had a good sell the printer cheap then make a fortune of the ink, Elon can do it with his battery Tech, Car entertainment and Autopilot software.

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...My theory is that Capitalism is in crisis, and the right do not know what to do, some see a train-wreck and think if we just keep the train moving the Techs will find a solution.
We will but you guys are not going to like it.

You are contradicting yourself in two different posts on the same thread Tech.

You have it backwards here. It is public institutions people are losing faith in, and from which they are steadily withdrawing support. The police are just one of the more visible current examples.

Your example elsewhere on this thread is that a capitalist, Elon Musk (is there anyone who embodies that definition better than he?) will accomplish with his company SpaceX what public agencies NASA and ESA cannot or will not.

Capitalism is alive and flourishing. Our public institutions are going from steady degradation to outright collapse right in front of us. Is there any better recent example of our governments and our collective public agencies inability to cope than the combination of heavy handed + shambolic response to COVID-19?

As for what my generation may or may not "like", is irrelevant. As I tell my nieces and nephews, what their Boomer parents, uncles and aunts think is now rather unimportant. We are rapidly approaching the end of our time on this planet, and what remains of our lives is not going to be changed in any material respect. The policy decisions taken today will influence them and their children far more.

Surely I'm not the only one that finds it ironic that as the USA approaches the July 4 anniversary of the founding of the republic, the woke left are busying themselves defacing and toppling statues of George Washington.

Throwing money at the problem indiscriminately (MMT?) isn't likely to be the answer. When the next crisis comes it may be initiated by a sovereign debt blow up. That might be what finally finishes off what is left of our public institutions. And where will that leave everyone?

These are indeed moronic times.

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You are contradicting yourself in two different posts on the same thread Tech.

You have it backwards here. It is public institutions people are losing faith in, and from which they are steadily withdrawing support. The police are just one of the more visible current examples.

Your example elsewhere on this thread is that a capitalist, Elon Musk (is there anyone who embodies that definition better than he?) will accomplish with his company SpaceX what public agencies NASA and ESA cannot or will not.

Capitalism is alive and flourishing. Our public institutions are going from steady degradation to outright collapse right in front of us. Is there any better recent example of our governments and our collective public agencies inability to cope than the combination of heavy handed + shambolic response to COVID-19?

As for what my generation may or may not "like", is irrelevant. As I tell my nieces and nephews, what their Boomer parents, uncles and aunts think is now rather unimportant. We are rapidly approaching the end of our time on this planet, and what remains of our lives is not going to be changed in any material respect. The policy decisions taken today will influence them and their children far more.

Surely I'm not the only one that finds it ironic that as the USA approaches the July 4 anniversary of the founding of the republic, the woke left are busying themselves defacing and toppling statues of George Washington.

Throwing money at the problem indiscriminately (MMT?) isn't likely to be the answer. When the next crisis comes it may be initiated by a sovereign debt blow up. That might be what finally finishes off what is left of our public institutions. And where will that leave everyone?

These are indeed moronic times.

No contradiction at all, Elon musk is using the money from NASA and the Military to fund his SpaceX venture.
Also its the government that funds the know how to make his rockets viable, go Google his management team.

"Twentieth-century America owed much of its security and economic strength to national support for science and technology. Some of the most revolutionary (and marketable) technologies of the past decades have been spun off research done under the banner of US space exploration: kidney-dialysis machines, implantable pacemakers, affordable and accurate LASIK surgery, global-positioning satellites, corrosion-resistant coatings for bridges and monuments (including the Statue of Liberty), hydroponic systems for growing plants (yeah I used that to put me through college), collision-avoidance systems on aircraft, digital imaging, infrared handheld cameras, cordless power tools, athletic shoes, scratch-resistant sunglasses, virtual reality. And that list doesn’t even include Tang.

Although solutions to a problem are often the fruit of direct investment in targeted research, the most revolutionary solutions tend to emerge from cross-pollination with other disciplines. Medical investigators might never have known of X-rays, since they do not occur naturally in biological systems. It took a physicist, Wilhelm Conrad Röntgen, to discover light rays that could probe the body’s interior with nary a cut from a surgeon.

Why not ask investigators to take direct aim at a challenge? My answer may not be politically correct, but it’s the truth: when you organize large-scale, extraordinary, inspiring missions, you attract people of extraordinary talent who might not happen to have been inspired by, or attracted to, the goal of saving the world from cancer or hunger or pestilence.

Today, cross-pollination between science and society comes about when you have ample funding for ambitious long-term projects. America has profited immensely from a generation of scientists and engineers who, instead of becoming lawyers or investment bankers, responded to a challenging vision posed in 1961 by President John F. Kennedy. Proclaiming the intention to land a man on the moon, Kennedy welcomed the citizenry to aid in the effort. That generation, and the one that followed, was the same generation of technologists who invented the personal computer. Bill Gates, cofounder of Microsoft, was 13 years old when the United States landed an astronaut on the moon; Steve Jobs, cofounder of Apple, was 14. The PC did not arise from the mind of a banker or artist or professional athlete. It was invented and developed by a technically trained workforce that responded to the dream unfurled before them; they were thrilled to become scientists and engineers." - Neil deGrasse Tyson
https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/...ation-matters#


“We think of capitalism as being locked in an ideological battle with socialism, but we never really saw that capitalism might be defeated by its own child — technology.”

This is how Eric Weinstein, a mathematician and a managing director of Peter Thiel’s investment firm, Thiel Capital, began a recent video for BigThink.com. In it he argues that technology has so transformed our world that “we may need a hybrid model in the future which is paradoxically more capitalistic than our capitalism today and perhaps even more socialistic than our communism of yesteryear.”

Which is another way of saying that socialist principles might be the only thing that can save capitalism.
Weinstein’s thinking reflects a growing awareness in Silicon Valleyof the challenges faced by capitalist society. Technology will continue to upend careers, workers across fields will be increasingly displaced, and it’s likely that many jobs lost will not be replaced." - Eric Weinstein.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...ism-revolution

As for what my generation may or may not "like", is irrelevant. As I tell my nieces and nephews, what their Boomer parents, uncles and aunts think is now rather unimportant. We are rapidly approaching the end of our time on this planet, and what remains of our lives is not going to be changed in any material respect. The policy decisions taken today will influence them and their children far more.

It is the Baby Boomer generation that has guided politics for more than a generation.

Throwing money at the problem indiscriminately (MMT?) isn't likely to be the answer. When the next crisis comes it may be initiated by a sovereign debt blow up. That might be what finally finishes off what is left of our public institutions. And where will that leave everyone?

These are indeed moronic times.

These are the best of times, when we get older most will talk fondly of when we did not have to go to work or school because of covid-19.

Capitalism is alive and flourishing. Our public institutions are going from steady degradation to outright collapse right in front of us. Is there any better recent example of our governments and our collective public agencies inability to cope than the combination of heavy handed + shambolic response to COVID-19?

More like you're right - wing populist governments could not get to grips with the crisis Trump, Boris , Bolsonaro come to mind.

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A communist using the managing director of Randian Peter Thiel's firm to bolster his arguments. Now I've seen everything.

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A communist using the managing director of Randian Peter Thiel's firm to bolster his arguments. Now I've seen everything.

Unlike YOU I try to listen to all sides to form my model of the world.... conformation bias is why we still have people believing in an immortal soul, a God and that Capitalism is the only way to organize our society.

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Unlike YOU I try to listen to all sides to form my model of the world.... conformation bias is why we still have people believing in an immortal soul, a God and that Capitalism is the only way to organize our society.

If my mind was any more open you could back a semi through it.

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Unlike YOU I try to listen to all sides to form my model of the world.... conformation bias is why we still have people believing in an immortal soul, a God and that Capitalism is the only way to organize our society.

Sounds like you've got a bit of confirmation bias yourself.

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Sounds like you've got a bit of confirmation bias yourself.

Of course I have, we all do to a certain degree.