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    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...study-11981081

    Ah............

    Last edited by Mega; May 09, 2020, 12:16 PM.

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    "They" are going to "invite" the Plebs to walk/Jog/Cycle/E-Cycle......but don't drive!!!!!!

    As I said when I started riding Motorbike & later driving I guess about 25 million cars in the UK.
    Now passing 40 million, the nation can NOT afford this....so not everyone driving now will be driving in 10 years.

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    • #3
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      Life contains tradeoffs. Choices have consequences. We as a society have some ability to influence those choices, mostly through consumption decisions more than anything else (given our political choice influences have declined to being almost ineffective).

      As we have discovered, if the world uses less of something the production of it also declines fairly rapidly. We saw that with thermal coal in the developed economies in the decade after the financial crisis, and we are seeing that with oil today.

      I'm struck by how rapidly we seem to be moving back to 1960's vintage patterns of behaviour. It's almost worth a thread of its own to explore this topic.

      One consequence of the choices being made in the developed economies today will be an acceleration of de-industrialization. We won't be bringing back heavy manufacturing from China in any big way. The focus will be much more on technology, pharmaceuticals, telecoms, robotics, 3-D printing...all the acceptably "clean" stuff. Especially manufacturing that requires more use of electrical power instead of energy in the form of large scale heat (e.g. blast furnaces for steel) which is where coal and petroleum excel.

      Even the manufacturing of EVs won't be in Canada, UK, Australia, France, Italy, etc. All places that have historically had a significant car manufacturing activity. Tesla's move to install manufacturing in China is as solid an indication I can imagine to the pending end of making cars in a ridiculously expensive jurisdiction such as the Bay Area of California.

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      • #4
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        Yes, I recall my school days (1960's) no one got picked up by car.
        By the 1970's a few started
        Now, its street full..............

        I fear just how bad its going to get.

        Mike

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        • #5
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          Ah
          https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/fi...exas-or-nevada

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          • #6
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            Why did he leave out horses and buggies?

            Being a Canadian I am holding out for a hydrogen fuel cell snowmobile.

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            • #7
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              He "milked" the West coast libs of everything they going to give him..........off the Pastures new

              Selling off his homes because he worried they come looking for a refund?
              Mike

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              • #8
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                Oh Look what is NOT happening
                https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-ne...a/roadster-ev/

                John B Goodfellow had a few things to say about his battery tec.......like it will only last 7 years, ha ha ha..........if anyone should know it should be him.

                So, er lets see the Model S came out in 2013 & REAL production in 2015.......so in the next 2 years we should start to see major battery fails every where.

                Mike

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                • #9
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                  Originally posted by Mega View Post
                  John B Goodfellow had a few things to say about his battery tec.......like it will only last 7 years, ha ha ha..........if anyone should know it should be him.

                  So, er lets see the Model S came out in 2013 & REAL production in 2015.......so in the next 2 years we should start to see major battery fails every where.

                  Mike
                  That'll be fun. But why do Prius batteries last so long?

                  Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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                  • #10
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                    But why do Prius batteries last so long? "

                    Because they got an engine bolted to it

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by Mega View Post
                      But why do Prius batteries last so long? "

                      Because they got an engine bolted to it

                      So hybrid electrics last but pure plug-in electrics don't?

                      Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by Mega View Post
                        Oh Look what is NOT happening
                        https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-ne...a/roadster-ev/

                        John B Goodfellow had a few things to say about his battery tec.......like it will only last 7 years, ha ha ha..........if anyone should know it should be him.

                        So, er lets see the Model S came out in 2013 & REAL production in 2015.......so in the next 2 years we should start to see major battery fails every where.

                        Mike
                        The batteries in my iPhone don't last that long. I'm on my second iPhone since Oct of 2013. The battery won't hold a charge for more than 3 or 4 hours now. A year ago used to last all day, no problem. So I am wondering if the Tesla batteries are going to have a limited life span, wouldn't we already be hearing about range problems in the older Model S cars - that they don't go as far on a single charge as they did when they were new? Haven't heard anything like that. Has anybody else?

                        I thought I read somewhere a long time ago that the charge/dis-charge management systems for the batteries was one of Tesla's technical advantages, and that helped it achieve exceptional battery life.

                        As for the Roadster 2, the official unveil was in November 2017. The Canadian Tesla site is still advertising reservation deposits, including the extra expensive CAN $322,000 Founder's Series, which has a reservation = to the full price of the car. Can one actually take delivery of one of these now?

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                          Originally posted by shiny! View Post
                          So hybrid electrics last but pure plug-in electrics don't?
                          I don't think that is the difference.

                          The difference is in a hybrid you are charging the battery while underway - both from the gasoline engine when it is running and from the regenerative braking. So there is no range limitation as long as you have gas in the tank. If the battery degrades slowly over time how would you notice?

                          In a plug-in if the battery degrades over time you will damn sure notice the reduced range. Just like my iPhone which won't make it through the day any longer.

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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                            I don't think that is the difference.

                            The difference is in a hybrid you are charging the battery while underway - both from the gasoline engine when it is running and from the regenerative braking. So there is no range limitation as long as you have gas in the tank. If the battery degrades slowly over time how would you notice?

                            In a plug-in if the battery degrades over time you will damn sure notice the reduced range. Just like my iPhone which won't make it through the day any longer.
                            Gotcha!

                            Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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                            • #15
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                              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                              I don't think that is the difference.

                              The difference is in a hybrid you are charging the battery while underway - both from the gasoline engine when it is running and from the regenerative braking. So there is no range limitation as long as you have gas in the tank. If the battery degrades slowly over time how would you notice?

                              In a plug-in if the battery degrades over time you will damn sure notice the reduced range. Just like my iPhone which won't make it through the day any longer.
                              is apple still deliberately throttling older model batteries with each new os update? or did they stop doing that?

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