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    I started writing this a week ago and hesitated because I don't really feel qualified to comment. I keep hoping that EJ will write a sweeping review where he puts everything into perspective. I understand that virZOOM is making a historic move and that he is very busy. I don't want to wait any longer so I am hoping that this will prompt some clarifying discussion.

    I thought I would write something about what is going on right now. I'm trying to follow the zigs and zags of the macro-economic picture every day but I feel like a dog trying understand human language. I understand fetch, roll over, play dead and so forth but I'm mostly puzzled by what I see happening in markets. I recall that during the last financial crisis professional economists for the most part failed to understand what was happening at the moment, let alone grasping why it was happening. With that in mind let me try to describe what I see happening, then I will try to fit it into a framework that will be understandable by itulip people.

    Let's start small. I see that the stock market has dropped and retraced about 50%:


    Longer term it looks like nothing special happened:


    Oil dropped below $20 and the Gold Oil ratio took it's marbles and went home:



    Gold itself has been moving higher but I wouldn't describe it as explosive:


    Despite a spirited move up, gold has yet to reach new highs.

    Gold vs. stocks is also looking like it might take a while to find a new level:


    Still hovering near the red line after three months of hell.

    What is the dollar doing? So far it is hard to pick a winner in this. I understand Austria is ending confinement and, just judging by the charts , Australia and NZ are getting this epidemic under control.

    I look at the Euro:


    The Euro is doing the Funky Chicken.

    What about the Dollar? I have always had a problem with measuring the dollar. It seems like it ought to be easy to measure the dollar. You take the exchange rate of the US with other countries and multiply by a fudge factor relating to the amount of trade. Simple right? Weeellll it seems we have a little problem. It looks like the Federal reserve stopped published the dollar index about the first of the year. They now publish a new index that is weighted by both trade in goods AND services. The problems I have with this are (a) services are not measurable and (b) you can't compare the new and old indexes:


    I tried to make a new index by squashing the two together:


    I don't think it is worth much.

    The other issue I have with this is that world trade has collapsed. It seems like the before and after picture is like comparing apples and oranges. This is China:


    It looks like there was never any crisis, or maybe China has pegged it's currency to the dollar.

    I expected the Pound to collapse but it is holding at the same levels it held for years.

    Let's cut to the chase. I follow Brent Johnson who has been promoting his dollar short squeeze theory. If you follow Jeff Snider he also is a fan of this Triffin's Dilemma kind of thinking. On the other hand this is Josh Crumb on MacroVoices the other day:

    Josh: Hi, Erik. Thanks, it’s good to be back.

    One thing that I would say right up front is I actually don’t believe so strongly in this narrative of sell everything, dollar short squeeze, and this sort of view.
    And I’ll explain how I look at it, which ultimately comes out to be something similar, I would say. But there is a fundamental behind it.

    So when I look at gold-trading markets, gold-price markets, there’s a couple of things that are important to look at.

    What’s the actual physical flow for gold and the gold demand? Call it on Main Street or the real economy.

    And then, what’s the demand for futures and just gold exposure on Wall Street?

    If you look at what the demand for gold exposure is, it’s actually still extremely well correlated with real interest rate expectations. Even when we saw that spike up to $1,700 in early March, that subsequently collapsed very quickly to (I think it was) $1,550 or $1,525. It was a pretty dramatic swing in the gold price.

    It actually still matched up extremely well with the pricing of real interest rates as seen in, say, the 10-year TIPS market.

    So what was happening is the dollar short squeeze wasn’t just the physical commodity short squeeze, where you’re selling everything, but also the models and people that trade the gold price futures based on metrics like real interest rate expectations and TIPS correlations. So that also happened.

    That’s sort of what’s happening in (call it) the paper gold market, the machines, the algorithms.

    When we saw that happen, we actually very quickly saw – real interest rates actually went up because, essentially, the market was pricing deflation very, very quickly because of the zero lower-bound.

    If you price that the world is going into a deflationary, say, negative 2% inflation, negative 1% inflation, but you’re trapped at that zero-bound, it actually means that you have positive real interest rates, even though growth may be negative.

    This is one of the hardest concepts for people to think about, particularly when they’re thinking about gold. And so we actually saw a very fundamental selloff on that real interest-rate spike.

    However, that got unwound very quickly. Not just with Fed actions but, in general, you saw it across many assets.

    So gold rebounded very quickly back into the $1,650 type of range, which is actually very well predicted by the model that I actually helped develop. And Goldmoney Research put out an update to that model back in June of last year where basically $1,650 was the target price, back when it was $1,300.
    So, despite all the craziness, the model is actually holding up extremely well.

    For anyone that’s interested, I do have those models and that research pinned to my Twitter profile right now. I try to keep that information front and center. Because, again, there is a lot of narrative. There’s a lot of talking about fear and dollar short squeezes and all of these things. But I think it’s important to always have it still in a real fundamental model.

    And basically what’s happening is this fundamental uncertainty is actually quite significant. We don’t know if we’re going to have negative 2% inflation or if we’re going to have plus 2% inflation.

    That uncertainty, that window, is actually quite fundamental. And I don’t think there is anybody that has a perfect model for where we’re headed.

    So, again, that volatility, I think, is fundamentally going to remain for a long time.

    But, in my view, in general, I think it’s very dangerous to play this game of I’m just going to wait for a dip. Now, if you see a dip, buy it, in my view. Hahaha.

    Sorry. In the model’s view, I don’t want to make short-term trading recommendations, because that’s never been my framework. But it’s really just to help people understand why prices are moving where they are and what that macro framework looks like in the future.

    So I’m not making short-term advice. But I do think this dollar short squeeze narrative is overstated, in my view.

    So my question to you is: What is going on?

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    Anyone know where finster is?

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    • #3
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      retired I think. His site is gone.

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        Originally posted by globaleconomicollaps View Post
        I started writing this a week ago and hesitated because I don't really feel qualified to comment. I keep hoping that EJ will write a sweeping review where he puts everything into perspective. I understand that virZOOM is making a historic move and that he is very busy. I don't want to wait any longer so I am hoping that this will prompt some clarifying discussion.

        I thought I would write something about what is going on right now. I'm trying to follow the zigs and zags of the macro-economic picture every day but I feel like a dog trying understand human language. I understand fetch, roll over, play dead and so forth but I'm mostly puzzled by what I see happening in markets. I recall that during the last financial crisis professional economists for the most part failed to understand what was happening at the moment, let alone grasping why it was happening. With that in mind let me try to describe what I see happening, then I will try to fit it into a framework that will be understandable by itulip people.

        Let's start small. I see that the stock market has dropped and retraced about 50%:


        Longer term it looks like nothing special happened:


        Oil dropped below $20 and the Gold Oil ratio took it's marbles and went home:



        Gold itself has been moving higher but I wouldn't describe it as explosive:


        Despite a spirited move up, gold has yet to reach new highs.

        Gold vs. stocks is also looking like it might take a while to find a new level:


        Still hovering near the red line after three months of hell.

        What is the dollar doing? So far it is hard to pick a winner in this. I understand Austria is ending confinement and, just judging by the charts , Australia and NZ are getting this epidemic under control.

        I look at the Euro:


        The Euro is doing the Funky Chicken.

        What about the Dollar? I have always had a problem with measuring the dollar. It seems like it ought to be easy to measure the dollar. You take the exchange rate of the US with other countries and multiply by a fudge factor relating to the amount of trade. Simple right? Weeellll it seems we have a little problem. It looks like the Federal reserve stopped published the dollar index about the first of the year. They now publish a new index that is weighted by both trade in goods AND services. The problems I have with this are (a) services are not measurable and (b) you can't compare the new and old indexes:


        I tried to make a new index by squashing the two together:


        I don't think it is worth much.

        The other issue I have with this is that world trade has collapsed. It seems like the before and after picture is like comparing apples and oranges. This is China:


        It looks like there was never any crisis, or maybe China has pegged it's currency to the dollar.

        I expected the Pound to collapse but it is holding at the same levels it held for years.

        Let's cut to the chase. I follow Brent Johnson who has been promoting his dollar short squeeze theory. If you follow Jeff Snider he also is a fan of this Triffin's Dilemma kind of thinking. On the other hand this is Josh Crumb on MacroVoices the other day:




        So my question to you is: What is going on?
        my 2 cents

        http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...125#post319125

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          Originally posted by globaleconomicollaps View Post
          retired I think. His site is gone.
          his new site

          http://www.financology.net

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            Terrific write up. I want to respond at length to what you wrote but I am busy right now. This is the Ray Dalio interview for those who haven't seen it:
            Last edited by globaleconomicollaps; April 16, 2020, 09:56 PM.

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            • #7
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              Originally posted by jk View Post
              Thanks, I'm surprised he hasn't shown up. This situation has "Finster-bait" written all over it.

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                if you want to get into the eurodollar plumbing, there's an article at zerohedge by Michael Every of Rabobank which includes this:

                Indeed, look at the Eurodollar logically over the long term and there are only three ways such a system can ultimately resolve itself:

                1. The US walks away from the USD reserve currency burden, as Triffin said, or others lose faith in it to stand behind the deficits it needs to run to keep USD flowing appropriately;
                2. The US Federal Reserve takes over the global financial system little by little and/or in bursts; or
                3. The global financial system fragments as the US asserts primacy over parts of it, leaving the rest to make their own arrangements.


                he estimates that the cost of #2 would be the fed printing about $34trillion, plus requiring china to implicitly cede financial sovereignty to the u.s.

                i think we're headed for door #3.


                [i'm sure all this info is explained at better depth somewhere in the writings of jeff snider, but snider's pieces are so frequent and so complex that i must admit that after following him for some time, i stopped.]

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                  $2 TRillion package coming?

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                    Originally posted by jk View Post
                    if you want to get into the eurodollar plumbing, there's an article at zerohedge by Michael Every of Rabobank which includes this:

                    Indeed, look at the Eurodollar logically over the long term and there are only three ways such a system can ultimately resolve itself:

                    1. The US walks away from the USD reserve currency burden, as Triffin said, or others lose faith in it to stand behind the deficits it needs to run to keep USD flowing appropriately;
                    2. The US Federal Reserve takes over the global financial system little by little and/or in bursts; or
                    3. The global financial system fragments as the US asserts primacy over parts of it, leaving the rest to make their own arrangements.


                    he estimates that the cost of #2 would be the fed printing about $34trillion, plus requiring china to implicitly cede financial sovereignty to the u.s.

                    i think we're headed for door #3.


                    [i'm sure all this info is explained at better depth somewhere in the writings of jeff snider, but snider's pieces are so frequent and so complex that i must admit that after following him for some time, i stopped.]
                    Door number 3 seems most likely to me too. The U.S position of global hegemony has always been an uneasy arrangement. It only endured as long as it has by a relentless brand management campaign of PR and propaganda, so the US was perceived as a good actor, kind and generous, mighty and invincable. That image has been unravelling badly since gulf war 2 and lays in tatters now.

                    It's a big loss in my eyes. Perhaps I'm naive, but I believe that overall the world was a better place because of US leadership after WW2. People in El Salvador, Hanoi, and Cuba might be eager to argue that point with me.

                    It seems options 1 and 3 happen together, the distinction is only which one is cause and which one is effect.

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                      i think the u.s.'global image has been unraveling since vietnam, but the timing really doesn't matter. it no longer is so dominant in the global economy, and it has shown that although it has by far the biggest and most effective conventional military in the world, it kind of sucks when dealing with asymmetric opponents. its economy has been hollowed out by financialization, and its choice to weaponize the dollar's reserve status has served its purposes in the very short run, but hastened its loss of global reserve status in the intermediate term.

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                        Originally posted by globaleconomicollaps View Post
                        Terrific write up. I want to respond at length to what you wrote but I am busy right now.
                        the only thing i really got out of daliio's talk is a sense of just how big he thinks this crisis is. he thinks it's BIG, and that we are entering a depression with prolonged double digit unemployment.

                        this is consistent with what i wrote up, as is his pointing to the enormous money printing which will undermine the value of bonds held for more than a relatively short term trade.

                        so far, btw, it seems that all the money has really gone to the usual suspects- the banks and wall st. see this:

                        https://wolfstreet.us18.list-manage....e&e=56049f5592

                        an example from that link- the fed has not bought ANY junk bonds. just jawboning has goosed the value of e.g. hyg. the spv's have done little or nothing at all. everything except buying treasuries and mbs has been hot air.

                        getting back to the money printing, i.e. supporting demand while supply collapses, i would be really interested in hearing people's ideas of how to hedge inflation risk going forward, and also on what the timing might be. i foresee the current deflationary collapse of commodities continuing for a while before they rise as a result of both inflation and policy actions. any ideas on what "a while" might mean?

                        edit- although "supporting demand" the money printing is not nearly enough to replace the "hole" [to use dalio's word] in incomes, and as i said it's all gone to wall st so far anyway, so that will be the basis of an initial deflationary period of indeterminate length.
                        Last edited by jk; April 17, 2020, 09:22 AM.

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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by jk View Post


                          ..so far, btw, it seems that all the money has really gone to the usual suspects- the banks and wall st. ...
                          That's an understatement. Some quick math:

                          24% children x 330 million US population = about 80 million minors
                          76% adults x 330 million US population = about 250 million adults

                          Now those rescue checks are $1,200 for adults and $500 for children. Of course it declines by family income, many people don't get a check. We'll ignore that here.

                          80 million children x $500 = $40 billion
                          250 million adults x $1200 = $300 billion
                          Max total direct assistance to people = $340 Billion to human persons

                          Total rescue amount is $2 trillion. Take out the direct checks, and we have $1.66 trillion to entities not a human person.

                          it's right there to see, 80 percent of that rescue bill amount went to corporations and banks. Of course it's really worse than that, not every person actually gets a full check.

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                              Originally posted by thriftyandboringinohio View Post
                              That's an understatement. Some quick math:

                              24% children x 330 million US population = about 80 million minors
                              76% adults x 330 million US population = about 250 million adults

                              Now those rescue checks are $1,200 for adults and $500 for children. Of course it declines by family income, many people don't get a check. We'll ignore that here.

                              80 million children x $500 = $40 billion
                              250 million adults x $1200 = $300 billion
                              Max total direct assistance to people = $340 Billion to human persons

                              Total rescue amount is $2 trillion. Take out the direct checks, and we have $1.66 trillion to entities not a human person.

                              it's right there to see, 80 percent of that rescue bill amount went to corporations and banks. Of course it's really worse than that, not every person actually gets a full check.
                              An additional $349 billion was for the now-depleted PPP, which was ostensibly to keep workers on small business payrolls for ten weeks, but we're seeing how that's (not) working out. Also, I'm not sure how much of the $2.2 trillion went into the unemployment boost (the $600/week bump and supporting states' extended benefit period), but that was part of it.

                              Of course, the mega corps' $500 billion slush fund can be leveraged into $4.5 trillion by the Fed, so anyone thinking this was a middle- and working-class bailout is going to be surprised as the details emerge.

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