Covid-19

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it was known in the fall that this past year's flu vaccine had missed the mark, and that this year's flu would be more widely and severely experienced.

the flu varies each year, but the vaccine must be manufactured in volume before that year's illness itself really appears. thus each year's vaccine is based on informed guesswork about the virus to come.

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All causes mortality in England vs. 10 year average.

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So, we see a pike 16,000 in 2010?


All causes mortality in England vs. 10 year average.[/QUOTE]

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so, we see a pike 16,000 in 2010?


all causes mortality in england vs. 10 year average.

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That graph is saying we have had roughly 6000 more deaths in week 13 in england and wales than in any of the previous 10 years. That is for the same week 13 period in all the previous ten years.

If that graph was just for London it would be much worse.

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good stuff. thanks mike.

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Good stuff, indeed. Stanford's testing indicates that 48,000 - 81,000 people in Santa Clara were infected by early April (50 to 80 times the official estimate) with a CFR of 0.1% - 0.06%. Far lower than the official CFR of 4.46%.

Which is backed up by this:

SECDEF: Majority of Roosevelt sailors with COVID-19 are asymptomatic

A majority of the sailors assigned to the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt who have tested positive for COVID-19 — at least 350 crew members — are asymptomatic, according to Secretary of Defense Mark Esper.

“What we’ve found of the 600 or so that have been infected, what’s disconcerting is a majority of those, 350 plus, are asymptomatic,” Esper said in an interview with the “Today Show” on Thursday. “So it has revealed a new dynamic of this virus that it can be carried by normal, healthy people who have no idea whatsoever that they are carrying it.”

This is not a new dynamic of the virus, and Secretary Esper is only focusing on the negative, namely that many asymptomatic people are transmitting Covid-19 without realizing they are carriers.

I read those statistics and saw the positive, namely that the majority of people who contract Covid-19 not only do not die, they hardly even know they're sick.

This universal lockdown needs to end NOW. People at high risk for complications should probably remain in quarantine until there's better guidance concerning treatment. Everyone else should go back to work (if they even have jobs to go back to) while wearing a mask in public as a courtesy to others. Like courteous people do in Japan and Taiwan. Good lord, why is this so hard?

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https://www.metafilter.com/186627/As...-of-Quarantine

Recent anti-quarantine protests are centrally coordinated Reddit user Dr_Midnight does a little digging and discovers that the anti-quarantine protests are a coordinated effort, with related websites all coming from a single source. There's an imperial ton of astroturfing going on, and it's quite visible in how those groups popped up literally overnight (hint-hint). The thing is that they targeted groups who were... how does one say... more receptive to the message who wouldn't be inclined to look any deeper into what they were joining.

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https://www.metafilter.com/186627/As...-of-Quarantine

Recent anti-quarantine protests are centrally coordinated Reddit user Dr_Midnight does a little digging and discovers that the anti-quarantine protests are a coordinated effort, with related websites all coming from a single source. There's an imperial ton of astroturfing going on, and it's quite visible in how those groups popped up literally overnight (hint-hint). The thing is that they targeted groups who were... how does one say... more receptive to the message who wouldn't be inclined to look any deeper into what they were joining.

Russians dividing us again. Has to be.

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Russians dividing us again. Has to be.

Re:globaleconomiccollapse :
Absolutely, because we can all trust our politicians to take our own interests at heart. That's also why they did such a magnificant job at preparing us in the many weeks between the China outbreak and when it hit the rest of the world.

As for the Russians-are-behind-everything narrative: maybe it truly is coordinated from Russia, but wouldn't you rather objectively look at the message than who is propagating it?
If I was trying to cause division in a competing society, I would push at least two messages that each have a good amount of inconvenient/controversial truth in them, but with opposite viewpoints.

And if I wanted to neutralize such a divisive effort, I'd do my best to relativate/address both messages in a truthful manner, pointing out what part is true and what part is a hyperbole or fabrication, rather than dismiss the whole message as 'Russian misinformation'.

However, it appears to me that western powers believe they can avoid the inconvenient truths in divisive messages by completely dismissing them. Sounds like a shortsighted and losing proposition to me...

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Russians dividing us again. Has to be.

The thread goes into some detail on that. It looks like it is some trump aligned group that is masterminding the astroturfing campaign.

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The thread goes into some detail on that. It looks like it is some trump aligned group that is masterminding the astroturfing campaign.

Doesn't mean the people acting on the message are wrong, though.

If, as many believe, this pandemic is being exploited by authoritarian elements that want to create a permanent police state, and if people (rightly or wrongly) believe that Trump is resisting these efforts, then one could view a call for resistance and a response to that call as both rational and patriotic. History will be the judge.

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Doesn't mean the people acting on the message are wrong, though.

If, as many believe, this pandemic is being exploited by authoritarian elements that want to create a permanent police state, and if people (rightly or wrongly) believe that Trump is resisting these efforts, then one could view a call for resistance and a response to that call as both rational and patriotic. History will be the judge.

In your experience has this kind of astroturfing campaign been associated with noble goals like freedom and civil rights?