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Hmm. Interesting but, qui bono?
"The Elite?" Some illuminati crowd that's hanging out in an underground bunker in Jackson Hole? C'mon. Name the names.
Every time I read something on ZH I get sucked in to the conspiracy but I find something troubling in the analysis that leads me to the conclusion that the paranoid investment bankers writing this stuff should stick to investment banking.
This one had this:
It's exceedingly rare for a virus to be listed as a cause of death (maybe Marburg because it progresses so quickly that patients are already in multiple organ failure by the time they are diagnosed). I would argue that the 12 percent that are listed as Covid-19 deaths in Italy are incorrect, or were admitted to the hospital in such poor condition (multiple organ failure, immediately put on a ventilator) that an actual cause of death could not be determined.
The cause of death is never influenza. It is usually pneumonia as a consequence of influenza (I've also seen sepsis and CHF listed as a result of the flu). Often with a host of other significant conditions (60% of Americans have a chronic disease; 40% have two; another 10-20% have no insurance and a chunk of them likely have undiagnosed conditions because they can't afford to see a doctor regularly).
Likewise, for another virus, the cause of death was never HIV. In the early days it was bacterial pneumonia or the rare Kaposi's sarcoma. Eventually AIDS was determined as a cause of death, but even then it was typically a contributing factor to renal failure or pneumonia. Now with antiviral treatments it's usually a more typical cancer, renal, or cardiovascular disease with HIV as an "other significant condition." People with HIV are starting to die of the same "old age" things that most of us will.
Reporting deaths is not just a matter of linear statistics (what % died from X), but it's a matter of comorbidities: what conditions may lead to other conditions, and how conditions affect each other. It's probably the most fertile ground for research that's done by the least appreciated members of the medical community (forensic pathologists - you know the jokes: no one alive would go to them).
Covid-19 does not kill people, as evidenced by the >90% recovery rate and the apparently high number of folks who are asymptomatic carriers. So, it is not an accurate cause of death. It is, however, a significant contributing factor, which leads to and/or exacerbates other conditions (pneumonia seems typical) that lead to multiple organ failure and death.
Covid-19 appears to have serious comorbidity with cardiovascular disease, which is prevalent in a large chunk of the U.S. (I reckon a majority of the 60% of Americans with pre-existing conditions have CVD, hypertension, something chronic and heart-related). Pneumonia and COPD and any other pulmonary issues are also co-related. Autoimmune folks are also at high risk.
I don't know much about this virus and I'm no doctor, but I know that this investment banker's time is probably better spent looking at futures spreads. Or writing mysteries.
Oh... wait... he already does.
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"The Elite?" Some illuminati crowd that's hanging out in an underground bunker in Jackson Hole? C'mon. Name the names.
Every time I read something on ZH I get sucked in to the conspiracy but I find something troubling in the analysis that leads me to the conclusion that the paranoid investment bankers writing this stuff should stick to investment banking.
This one had this:
As Prof Walter Ricciardi—scientific adviser to Italy’s minister of health—recently revealed, “The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.”
So how many of the people who are reported as “Covid-19 deaths” in Italy actually had coronavirus listed as their cause of death? Just 12 per cent. What’s more, according to the Italian government’s own report, half of those who died had three or more other diseases at the time of the death. Nearly 80 per cent had at least two other diseases that they were fighting when they died. Only 1.7 per cent of those who died had no other disease.
So how many of the people who are reported as “Covid-19 deaths” in Italy actually had coronavirus listed as their cause of death? Just 12 per cent. What’s more, according to the Italian government’s own report, half of those who died had three or more other diseases at the time of the death. Nearly 80 per cent had at least two other diseases that they were fighting when they died. Only 1.7 per cent of those who died had no other disease.
The cause of death is never influenza. It is usually pneumonia as a consequence of influenza (I've also seen sepsis and CHF listed as a result of the flu). Often with a host of other significant conditions (60% of Americans have a chronic disease; 40% have two; another 10-20% have no insurance and a chunk of them likely have undiagnosed conditions because they can't afford to see a doctor regularly).
Likewise, for another virus, the cause of death was never HIV. In the early days it was bacterial pneumonia or the rare Kaposi's sarcoma. Eventually AIDS was determined as a cause of death, but even then it was typically a contributing factor to renal failure or pneumonia. Now with antiviral treatments it's usually a more typical cancer, renal, or cardiovascular disease with HIV as an "other significant condition." People with HIV are starting to die of the same "old age" things that most of us will.
Reporting deaths is not just a matter of linear statistics (what % died from X), but it's a matter of comorbidities: what conditions may lead to other conditions, and how conditions affect each other. It's probably the most fertile ground for research that's done by the least appreciated members of the medical community (forensic pathologists - you know the jokes: no one alive would go to them).
Covid-19 does not kill people, as evidenced by the >90% recovery rate and the apparently high number of folks who are asymptomatic carriers. So, it is not an accurate cause of death. It is, however, a significant contributing factor, which leads to and/or exacerbates other conditions (pneumonia seems typical) that lead to multiple organ failure and death.
Covid-19 appears to have serious comorbidity with cardiovascular disease, which is prevalent in a large chunk of the U.S. (I reckon a majority of the 60% of Americans with pre-existing conditions have CVD, hypertension, something chronic and heart-related). Pneumonia and COPD and any other pulmonary issues are also co-related. Autoimmune folks are also at high risk.
I don't know much about this virus and I'm no doctor, but I know that this investment banker's time is probably better spent looking at futures spreads. Or writing mysteries.
Oh... wait... he already does.
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