Mean time in Spain

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Everything that could go wrong, did go wrong. We're at the plate and it's 0-2. The next 2 weeks in the US will be much less than excellent. Apparently you can't BS a virus into submission, you actually have to go to work.

[Woodsman]

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Some people sound as if they just can't wait for the worst to happen so as to pin it on their favorite enemies. It's almost as if they hope, failing all other previous attempts, that at long last they've found the solution to a persistent, nagging problem they've never quite managed to resolve despite their best efforts by their best people. So wrapped up by irrational hatred and so frustrated by their impotence, it seems they'd burn the whole house down and themselves with it in order to at last defeat their despised enemies. And more than that, use the hard hand of their authority to teach a lesson to the damned and detestable hoi polloi who by their audacity did frustrate the expectations of their so obvious social and moral superiors. Of course, hatred makes men blind. Disfigured as these people are by anger and frustration, they seem unaware that their bloodlust is revealed for all to see. They have made themselves a death cult.

Many of us here have cited our skepticism over the severity of this outbreak, the severity of the symptoms, and the wisdom of the unprecedented response that has so battered our economic life. Each time, reminiscent of previous slanders against those who show the temerity to question official stories and elite consensus, we are beaten down by impressive-sounding statistical, scientific, and even moral reasoning. But precious few here who wield those clubs possess any specific training or experience that should move us to weigh their received wisdom and opinions with any particular gravitas. This is particularly true for some of us who by virtue of our own experience and placement are in a position to judge the present crisis with knowledge gained from past experience, both specific to the domain and practice currently in focus and generally as regards the recent history of systemic and extraordinary crises and the opportunistic responses and reactions to them by those in a position to shape public opinion to advance their interests.

I'll make no effort here to enumerate or dispute the worst case scenarios put out here and elsewhere. But having stepped so far out on a limb with dreadful predictions of mass death and suffering, having seized the moment, and now seeing the tide go out, the natural inclination of those who see these events as the long awaited answer to their vexing problem is to increase the amplitude of hysteria. But they are increasingly finding themselves caught out, both by the venality of the official response and the growing likelihood that the worst case fear mongering won't come to pass, particularly when compared to the prosaic, garden-variety calamities humanity faces year over year.

[globaleconomicollaps]

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Some people sound as if they just can't wait for the worst to happen so as to pin it on their favorite enemies. It's almost as if they hope, failing all other previous attempts, that at long last they've found the solution to a persistent, nagging problem they've never quite managed to resolve despite their best efforts by their best people. So wrapped up by irrational hatred and so frustrated by their impotence, it seems they'd burn the whole house down and themselves with it in order to at last defeat their despised enemies. And more than that, use the hard hand of their authority to teach a lesson to the damned and detestable hoi polloi who by their audacity did frustrate the expectations of their so obvious social and moral superiors. Of course, hatred makes men blind. Disfigured as these people are by anger and frustration, they seem unaware that their bloodlust is revealed for all to see. They have made themselves a death cult.

Many of us here have cited our skepticism over the severity of this outbreak, the severity of the symptoms, and the wisdom of the unprecedented response that has so battered our economic life. Each time, reminiscent of previous slanders against those who show the temerity to question official stories and elite consensus, we are beaten down by impressive-sounding statistical, scientific, and even moral reasoning. But precious few here who wield those clubs possess any specific training or experience that should move us to weigh their received wisdom and opinions with any particular gravitas. This is particularly true for some of us who by virtue of our own experience and placement are in a position to judge the present crisis with knowledge gained from past experience, both specific to the domain and practice currently in focus and generally as regards the recent history of systemic and extraordinary crises and the opportunistic responses and reactions to them by those in a position to shape public opinion to advance their interests.

I'll make no effort here to enumerate or dispute the worst case scenarios put out here and elsewhere. But having stepped so far out on a limb with dreadful predictions of mass death and suffering, having seized the moment, and now seeing the tide go out, the natural inclination of those who see these events as the long awaited answer to their vexing problem is to increase the amplitude of hysteria. But they are increasingly finding themselves caught out, both by the venality of the official response and the growing likelihood that the worst case fear mongering won't come to pass, particularly when compared to the prosaic, garden-variety calamities humanity faces year over year.

You are correct. Nobody knows what the death rate is from Covid-19. No less an authority than EJ has predicted 16 million dead by July. In general if you don't know how deadly a threat is, it is better to error on the side of caution. In Chris Martenson's video from last night he has a cartoon of godzilla destroying a city. The caption reads "no need to panic! More people have died from the flu!"

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at the regional hospital here n95 masks are in such short supply that

1. they may only be used by doctors and nurses whose activities directly produce aerosols, such as suctioning out airway tubes. no n95 masks for e.g. the nurses who must enter the rooms of covid-19 patients for more ordinary care, and

2. the n95 masks are re-used after various forms of attempted decontamination.

the hospital is at 70% occupancy as of last night, with 8 covid patients on vents, and the numbers rising every day.

this is one of the most prestigious hospitals in the country.

i guess they haven't gotten the memo that it's all hype.

[Mega]

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Its an outbreak, no said it wasn't.........will it test some hospitals ?........yes am sure it will.........

You guys are Pro's ......deal with it.........might want to sack your Admin staff though because we been talking about this since Feb & stocks should have been placed on order.....I mean I out a spare room full of toilet paper & Kichen roll.....soap shampoo, toothpaste washing up liquid ...chicken soup......dog food.............I have 45 days of Dog food.......just saying

Nothing but respect for the Medic's, but the rest of the Team let them down

[Techdread]

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Some people sound as if they just can't wait for the worst to happen so as to pin it on their favorite enemies. It's almost as if they hope, failing all other previous attempts, that at long last they've found the solution to a persistent, nagging problem they've never quite managed to resolve despite their best efforts by their best people. So wrapped up by irrational hatred and so frustrated by their impotence, it seems they'd burn the whole house down and themselves with it in order to at last defeat their despised enemies. And more than that, use the hard hand of their authority to teach a lesson to the damned and detestable hoi polloi who by their audacity did frustrate the expectations of their so obvious social and moral superiors. Of course, hatred makes men blind. Disfigured as these people are by anger and frustration, they seem unaware that their bloodlust is revealed for all to see. They have made themselves a death cult.

Many of us here have cited our skepticism over the severity of this outbreak, the severity of the symptoms, and the wisdom of the unprecedented response that has so battered our economic life. Each time, reminiscent of previous slanders against those who show the temerity to question official stories and elite consensus, we are beaten down by impressive-sounding statistical, scientific, and even moral reasoning. But precious few here who wield those clubs possess any specific training or experience that should move us to weigh their received wisdom and opinions with any particular gravitas. This is particularly true for some of us who by virtue of our own experience and placement are in a position to judge the present crisis with knowledge gained from past experience, both specific to the domain and practice currently in focus and generally as regards the recent history of systemic and extraordinary crises and the opportunistic responses and reactions to them by those in a position to shape public opinion to advance their interests.

I'll make no effort here to enumerate or dispute the worst case scenarios put out here and elsewhere. But having stepped so far out on a limb with dreadful predictions of mass death and suffering, having seized the moment, and now seeing the tide go out, the natural inclination of those who see these events as the long awaited answer to their vexing problem is to increase the amplitude of hysteria. But they are increasingly finding themselves caught out, both by the venality of the official response and the growing likelihood that the worst case fear mongering won't come to pass, particularly when compared to the prosaic, garden-variety calamities humanity faces year over year.

Woodsman don't talk rubbish.
The media have done a good job in hyping this crisis, because it is the biggest health crisis any of us have lived through, Not because the disease is particularly deadly but how fast and covertly it spreads knocking out hospital capacity for other uses.

No matter how you spin it your leader has been found wanting, History is not going to be kind on him, we expected the US to be leading the free world in the response to this pandemic, The US is clearly not.

I disagree with your assertion that people want this to go bad we have had enough deaths already, the peak has not been reached for all countries except maybe China.

[Woodsman]

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Oh, I think very much there's a viciously partisan cohort who are thrilled at the possibility of a large body count. I think that's plain to see and requires no great prescience. In any case, pleased to hear your point of view. Thank you for sharing you thoughts.

[GRG55]

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at the regional hospital here n95 masks are in such short supply that

1. they may only be used by doctors and nurses whose activities directly produce aerosols, such as suctioning out airway tubes. no n95 masks for e.g. the nurses who must enter the rooms of covid-19 patients for more ordinary care, and

2. the n95 masks are re-used after various forms of attempted decontamination.

the hospital is at 70% occupancy as of last night, with 8 covid patients on vents, and the numbers rising every day.

this is one of the most prestigious hospitals in the country.

i guess they haven't gotten the memo that it's all hype.

Taiichi Ohno's pioneering "just-in-time" manufacturing within the much admired Toyota Production System works fine for making cars or other customized consumer goods.

But the "benefits" of minimum inventories and long, concentrated JIT supply chains in other areas of the economy would appear to have been conclusively refuted. This may be one of the constructive outcomes of this episode.

If we've learned anything either a) point of consumption inventories ("stock the pantry") will increase; b) local distributors will be given incentives to maintain higher minimum stocks of consumables made in distant lands, or c) supply sources will become distributed as manufacturing is brought closer to home.

I really hope we see more of 'c', even though we know it will be inflationary.

The vacuous dilettante that passes for our Prime Minister in 2015 stated Canada could be the first "post-nation state" (whatever the h€££ that means). In 2020 his government has discovered that borders actually matter. Imagine that...

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Taiichi Ohno's pioneering "just-in-time" manufacturing within the much admired Toyota Production System works fine for making cars or other customized consumer goods.

But the "benefits" of minimum inventories and long, concentrated JIT supply chains in other areas of the economy would appear to have been conclusively refuted. This may be one of the constructive outcomes of this episode.

If we've learned anything either a) point of consumption inventories ("stock the pantry") will increase; b) local distributors will be given incentives to maintain higher minimum stocks of consumables made in distant lands, or c) supply sources will become distributed as manufacturing is brought closer to home.

I really hope we see more of 'c', even though we know it will be inflationary.

i strongly agree with all you say. "just in time" has to change to "just in case" for critical goods. it is shocking and frightening [for many reasons] that e.g. 97% of antibiotics used in the u.s. are made in china, as are 80% of active pharm INGREDIENTS used in drugs said to manufactured in the u.s.

and of course moving the manufacture of such goods closer to home has to raise prices. we're in a deflationary recession at the moment. how long til it morphs into an inflationary recession?

[GRG55]

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i strongly agree with all you say. "just in time" has to change to "just in case" for critical goods. it is shocking and frightening [for many reasons] that e.g. 97% of antibiotics used in the u.s. are made in china, as are 80% of active pharm INGREDIENTS used in drugs said to manufactured in the u.s.

and of course moving the manufacture of such goods closer to home has to raise prices. we're in a deflationary recession at the moment. how long til it morphs into an inflationary recession?

I would venture, if done with determination and sound leadership, the massive public fiscal spending that is being geared up now in many nations could be the non-lethal version of the inflationary wartime spending in the 1940s that brought our economies out of the Great Depression deflation.

Why can't we create an inflationary expansion by promoting and supporting the repatriation of critical/important product manufacturing? Everything from pharmaceuticals and medical consumables to food (I'm utterly appalled at how much food Canada imports from China), shelter components (a permanent end to off-gassing plasterboard, LOL?), communications & transportation equipment, energy self-sufficiency (renewable and non-renewable, including perhaps a serious effort to advance hydrogen, finally), AI tech and so forth. This is along the same general theme EJ wrote about in his book years ago.

It is long past time to bid the FIRE economy good riddance.

[Woodsman]

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...In 2020 his government has discovered that borders actually matter. Imagine that...

"On the sixth day of Hate Week, after the processions, the speeches, the shouting, the singing, the banners, the posters, the films, the waxworks, the rolling of drums and squealing of trumpets, the tramp of marching feet, the grinding of the caterpillars of tanks, the roar of massed planes, the booming of guns — after six days of this, when the great orgasm was quivering to its climax and the general hatred of Eurasia had boiled up into such delirium that if the crowd could have got their hands on the 2,000 Eurasian war-criminals who were to be publicly hanged on the last day of the proceedings, they would unquestionably have torn them to pieces — at just this moment it had been announced that Oceania was not after all at war with Eurasia. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Eurasia was an ally.

There was, of course, no admission that any change had taken place. Merely it became known, with extreme suddenness and everywhere at once, that Eastasia and not Eurasia was the enemy...Oceania was at war with Eastasia: Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia. A large part of the political literature of five years was now completely obsolete. Reports and records of all kinds, newspapers, books, pamphlets, films, sound-tracks, photographs — all had to be rectified at lightning speed...

‘I am taking trouble with you, Winston,’ he said, ‘because you are worth trouble. You know perfectly well what is the matter with you. You have known it for years, though you have fought against the knowledge. You are mentally deranged. You suffer from a defective memory. You are unable to remember real events and you persuade yourself that you remember other events which never happened. Fortunately it is curable. You have never cured yourself of it, because you did not choose to. There was a small effort of the will that you were not ready to make. Even now, I am well aware, you are clinging to your disease under the impression that it is a virtue.

Now we will take an example. At this moment, which power is Oceania at war with?’

‘When I was arrested, Oceania was at war with Eastasia.’

‘With Eastasia. Good. And Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia, has it not?’

Winston drew in his breath. He opened his mouth to speak and then did not speak. He could not take his eyes away from the dial.

‘The truth, please, Winston. Your truth. Tell me what you think you remember.’

‘I remember that until only a week before I was arrested, we were not at war with Eastasia at all. We were in alliance with them. The war was against Eurasia. That had lasted for four years. Before that—’

O'Brien stopped him with a movement of the hand....‘It will not last,’ said O'Brien. ‘Look me in the eyes. What country is Oceania at war with?’

Winston thought. He knew what was meant by Oceania and that he himself was a citizen of Oceania. He also remembered Eurasia and Eastasia; but who was at war with whom he did not know. In fact he had not been aware that there was any war.

‘I don't remember.’

‘Oceania is at war with Eastasia. Do you remember that now?’

‘Yes.’

‘Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia. Since the beginning of your life, since the beginning of the Party, since the beginning of history, the war has continued without a break, always the same war. Do you remember that?’

‘Yes.’...He accepted everything. The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia."

Nineteen Eighty-Four © 1949 George Orwell

[Mega]

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My Father died the way these people are dying now, I know the pain, the feeling of help-less...just waiting for him to pass.
I am fighting back tears writing this, but you know something?..........Gordon always taught me to be objective, exam the facts!

Around 35,000 UK people die like him that every year....that's 675 a week......the question that needs to be asked are these an EXTRA 675 or (as I suspect) people dying from "China Virus" whom would have died to any number of "Uk Virus"?

WE simply don't have stats in yet.

Mike

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Mean time is "Silly OLd England"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-director.html

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