Red alert

[Mega]

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Indeed
I see Zerohedge have just been ban off Twitter because they posted some Guff about the Virus being part HIV (they went "Alex Jones")

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It's inevitable that some will try to blow this out of proportion for their own purposes. So it goes.

You've been reading MSM.

I suggest you take a look at this - https://twitter.com/howroute

[Woodsman]

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You've been reading MSM. I suggest you take a look at this...

Ah yes, Max Howrong.



Filmmaker, writer, comedian, actor, animator, activist, freelance journalist, science geek, maker of original animated films, bête noire of CCP bots and FSB trolls, self-appointed most trusted source on coronavirus reporting (on Twitter).

From The Atlantic:

One user in particular, @howroute, has had tremendously viral tweets about the terrible danger the world faces. These have drawn more likes and retweets than anything from Feigl-Ding or Jabr. One shows people in hazmat suits on an airplane. “BREAKING NEWS: This is not a scene from some apocalyptic horror movie, this is a #coronavirus outbreak in China,” @howroute posted. The tweet has been retweeted and liked about 50,000 times. “The SARS like virus has already spread to four countries and infected more than 1700 people. US airports are monitored. Be on alert, stay safe!”

Read: The grim conclusions of the largest-ever study of fake news

The account has also posted videos supposedly showing people dead in the hallways of hospitals and someone twitching under a hospital sheet. Most of the videos seem to be real, but the context is missing. Within the apocalyptic frame that they’ve been given, they are terrifying.

The name on the account is Max Howroute, but I’ve been unable to find any person by that name in public-records searches. There’s no record of Max Howroute working at a publication or producing work other than some satirical YouTube videos, yet the account describes Howroute as a “journalist.” Before the Wuhan crisis, @howroute had mostly posted anti-Trump memes. Since the viral hit, the account has gone all in, tweeting completely context-free videos and charging its critics with being Chinese Communist Party trolls. “You’re liar and I will report you to Twitter,” @howroute tweeted at the Hong Kong dissident artist Badiucao. “You’re obviously new here. I’m one of the most trusted sources on coronavirus reporting on Twitter. How dare are you to question my reporting!!”

It’s not clear what @howroute is doing, or who is responsible. The account—it often posts using we—has not responded to my requests for an interview, and studiously maintains that everything it has posted has been verified. According to fact-checking by BuzzFeed’s Jane Lytvynenko, that is not true.

Is @howroute someone seeking global attention, someone who believes what they are doing is righteous, someone who’s simply an exploitative grifter? Perhaps the only clear thing about the account is that it has shaped the online conversation about the coronavirus outbreak, regardless of its intentions. It may be that @howroute is “one of the most trusted sources on coronavirus reporting on Twitter,” which is exactly the problem. Some entity with no discernible knowledge about China, epidemiology, or infectious disease, working from a pseudonymous account, has become a leading source for people across the world about a global pandemic.

And you're right, I'm old school; all too guilty. My Max had Headroom:

But by all means, use whatever source you trust most. 百花齐放, 百家争鸣.

[Mega]

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Look
This thing been running in the news for about a week now, thus a month in China.

There have been NO deaths reported outside China, those with it ARE responding to treatment..........as it stands if we still here with Zero Deaths in the West in another 7 days.....then I say forget it.

Mike

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Ah yes, Max Howrong.

Don't bother about Max Howrong. A lot of the videos are taken from other sources. I posted his link as he has a good collection all in one page.

Have you seen the videos? The person who filmed what happened in Wuhan hospital 5 had been arrested.

[Mega]

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[Mega]

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1 death outside China, looks like 0.75% death rate

[Mega]

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If their Health service is like their buildings?

[Woodsman]

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Don't bother about Max Howrong...

Fair enough. Suffice to say that there is room for debate and given the "Chinese characteristics" we all know and love (sarc), we can only be so sure. For my purposes, I look to places like Hopkins, CDC, and WHO. Not being an epidemiologist and having no professional training in public health, I'm unwilling to either dismiss the statements of the authorities as deliberately misleading or put much stock on the prognostications of the Twitterati and YouTubers.

That said, I'm open to other points of view. This fellow here is someone who has long experience in China, has a Chinese wife (who is a physician) and whom I've been watching for some years now. He seems closer to your point of view. He too claims the Chinese authorities are under-reporting cases, but is more concerned about the experiences of the responders and the fact that they don't have sufficient access to the tools they need.

And this fellow impressed me, although I can't say this presentation alone does much to improve the clarity of this fast moving situation.

Given what I understand of the Chinese government and it's ability to turn the lives of millions of individual Chinese citizens into mere abstractions, it seems entirely in character for them to take the path of least resistance to achieve the outcomes they want. If told the key to limiting the spread and ending the outbreak quickly is quarantine, then they'll quarantine entire cities and provinces and shut down travel. If it means barricading people into apartment blocks by welding doors shut, that's what they'll do. If it happens that a few thousand must be sacrificed, so be it. It's the way of the PRC. If sparrows are eating grain, then kill all sparrows. If then locusts take over, import more sparrows.

I find it repulsive, but cannot deny that to them it follows a cold and rational logic.

[Mega]

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IMPORTANT UPDATE FROM THE GOVERMENT OF MALAYSIA
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/co...ian-government

THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN:-

Damn that airline hostess is HOT!!

[Mega]

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[FrankL]

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1 death outside China, looks like 0.75% death rate

death rate when you get full attention from western healthcare facilities is pretty meaningless when the actual downside risk is a nationwide epidemic that completely overruns the capacity of the healthcare system.
At that point, death rate will be what happens with minimal or with self-treatment of the disease.

If China can't contain the virus, that'll be the first case study for this effect.
And in case they can't contain it with their near-absolute police state measures... I would give most other countries little chance of doing better.

In fact, while this may sound overly cynical, if China is going to suffer an epidemic at national scale, wouldn't it be in their interest to have a level playing field?

[Mega]

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The only death outside China was a Bloke from China...............I suspect something is not right here.

We see I guess
Mike

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calculations based on "reported cases," irrespective of lag, obviously do not count UNREPORTED CASES, especially cases which may be mild and dismissed as insignificant. i don't believe any of these numbers. we don't have the data.

[lakedaemonian]

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If their Health service is like their buildings?

The 7 day build time for the Wuhan hospitals is truly epic.

They are not being built to last, they are being built to win.

Ths last time I heard of anything on a similar scale and speed is in 1942.

The USS Yorktown got smashed and nearly sunk at the Battle of the Coral Sea.

Yorktown limped back to Pearl Harbor and Admiral Nimitz ordered Yorktown be turned around in 3 days.

A smouldering half sunk wreck was made combat capable and back in the fight in 3 days.

It was an incredible laser focused display of the will to win.

It doesn’t need to be perfect, it needs to be just good enough to join the fight and hopefully turn the tide.

Like the Yorktown, the Wuhan hospitals will soon be irrelevant, but they might be the platforms that help win the battle and then the tide of the war.