Britian going to the Polls

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The Tory party is swinging to the Right, its about to "Flush" those lefty pink Tory mp's away....

[GRG55]

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What you may not have realised is that the remainers are going to do everything possible to prevent an election, which one must assume they already know they will lose by a large margin. As of now we are in a classic deadlock where no one can move. All we can hope for is the latest Bill does not pass the House of Lords.

The now purged ex-Tory Remainers are going to carry the can for this now. Their victory dance will be very short lived.

After years of dithering under PM May, when none of her government's efforts were anywhere close to successful in Parliament, the Remainers must be the only people in all of Britain that think an EU extension to January for the Brexit deadline will somehow miraculously produce a negotiated deal that will pass both the British Parliament and EU approval.

To this point Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings have played much better chess than Labour, the Lib Dems and the Remainers combined. And I believe that every move and response has been thought through and calculated. They are not making this up on the fly. Johnson has flushed out into the open the hard core Remainers and dealt with them in the way Teresa May never had the courage to. Now he is going to box Corbyn into an untenable position for Labour (side with the London elites who benefit from staying in the EU and against the large swaths of Labour voters who voted for Brexit)...and there will be an election.

What if Johnson was to resign as PM and force Corbyn to go to Brussels and negotiate a new Brexit deal? How well does anybody think that would turn out, LOL.

[Chris Coles]

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The now purged ex-Tory Remainers are going to carry the can for this now. Their victory dance will be very short lived.

After years of dithering under PM May, when none of her government's efforts were anywhere close to successful in Parliament, the Remainers must be the only people in all of Britain that think an EU extension to January for the Brexit deadline will somehow miraculously produce a negotiated deal that will pass both the British Parliament and EU approval.

To this point Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings have played much better chess than Labour, the Lib Dems and the Remainers combined. And I believe that every move and response has been thought through and calculated. They are not making this up on the fly. Johnson has flushed out into the open the hard core Remainers and dealt with them in the way Teresa May never had the courage to. Now he is going to box Corbyn into an untenable position for Labour (side with the London elites who benefit from staying in the EU and against the large swaths of Labour voters who voted for Brexit)...and there will be an election.

What if Johnson was to resign as PM and force Corbyn to go to Brussels and negotiate a new Brexit deal? How well does anybody think that would turn out, LOL.

I have to admit to surprise, I always thought of you as Canadian, yet you seen so very well aware of what is going on here.

Anyway, I gather that Boris is going on TV tonight to chivvy Corbyn about his refusal to go for an election.

[Mega]

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New Idea's
https://www.theguardian.com/business...th-a-sales-tax

[Mega]

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New Idea's
https://www.theguardian.com/business...th-a-sales-tax

"With wealth inequality rising the case for raising revenue via a consumption tax is compelling"

of course, rising inequality, we should go to a regressive tax.

[GRG55]

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I have to admit to surprise, I always thought of you as Canadian, yet you seen so very well aware of what is going on here.

Anyway, I gather that Boris is going on TV tonight to chivvy Corbyn about his refusal to go for an election.

He has the shotgun loaded for Corbyn. Now starts the process of flushing him out in earnest. Corbyn's "conditional Brexit" position is untenable. And he knows if he leaves the protection of the shrubbery he'll get shot down.
Of course Boris could end up with a Dick Cheney result when he pulls the trigger. Nothing in life is a slam dunk.


Purging the Remainers clears the path for a Johnson/Farage alliance going into the next election - everyone voting for Brexit will have only one logical choice. The Remain camp will be split between Lib Dems and the reluctant Labourites. The ex-Tories will be fortunate if any of them are re-elected.

[GRG55]

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I have to admit to surprise, I always thought of you as Canadian, yet you seen so very well aware of what is going on here.

Anyway, I gather that Boris is going on TV tonight to chivvy Corbyn about his refusal to go for an election.

Some commentary today from another Canadian, the always entertaining and insightful Mark Steyn.
(for more, check out https://www.steynonline.com/ )

Johnson vs Johnson

by Mark Steyn
Steyn on Britain
September 5, 2019


Greetings from the Mark Steyn Cruise, currently sailing the beautiful Inside Passage of Alaska. Across the continent and an ocean, Westminster continues to be roiled by Brexiteers and Remoaners locked, like the latter seasons of Dynasty, locked in ever more demented plot twists. Today Her Majesty's Government suffered its first resignation since Boris Johnson took over as Prime Minister. The Minister for Universities and Science quit, and is leaving Parliament. His name is Jo Johnson. Any relation? Why, yes. He's Boris' brother. In the normal course of events, no normal person knows who the Minister for Universities is, or indeed that such a post exists, or, if aware of this grand office, what the chap who holds it does all day long: He ain't a heavy, he's his brother - that's all. But the junior Johnson, a Remainer, has walked out on the senior Johnson, a Leaver, so it's the biggest thing since Cain fired his Secretary of State for Sheep-Herding. Boris was his brother's keeper, but he couldn't keep him. So the Remainer leaves, putting a question mark over whether the Leaver can remain.

~All sides are throwing around media accusations of "constitutional outrage", ever since Boris got the Queen to prorogue Parliament and was instantly upgraded from PM to Caudillo of the new dictatorship. I am more sympathetic to the charges against his opponents: Jeremy Corbyn, Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition, has been claiming for months to want a general election. Indeed, there is no reason not to have one. On Tuesday the Prime Minister formally lost his majority, when some Tory nobody I'd never heard of crossed the floor and became a Liberal. So Boris and his team cannot govern. Indeed, even their minority is shrinking by the hour, as he removes the whip, expels and deselects those who vote against him on Brexit.

And yet Corbyn voted down Boris' motion for a general election - because the Opposition Leader is determined to force the Government to enact not its own but the Opposition's policy, by making Boris go to Brussels, grovel, and beg for another extension of Britain's zombie membership in the European Union. To put it in American terms, the legislative branch wants to maintain the executive branch in power purely as its dead-eyed sock puppet. That is certainly a constitutional abomination, and, cautious as she is in such matters, I have no doubt the Queen regards it as such.

~Why is Corbyn doing this? Isn't an Opposition Leader supposed to bring down the Prime Minister so he can force an election and replace the bloke? Yes, but Corbyn would lose that election, and Boris would likely win. The guff about the will of Parliament and the people's representatives obscures the reality - that this situation exists because of the ever wider chasm between the people and their representatives, between a citizenry that voted to leave the European Union and the fanatically Remainer Liberal Democrats, openly Remainer Celtic nationalists, covertly Remainer Labour Opposition, and semi-Remainer Tory backbench all determined to subvert the will of the people. You can dress that up in all kinds of parliamentary flimflam, but, when politicians who've been bleating about a "people's vote" for over a year refuse to let the people vote, you know these tribunes of the masses have gone rogue and left the masses far behind.

~Who's to blame for this? My old boss Charles Moore has no doubt:

When one important person breaks the deepest conventions, it is a case of 'untune that string and hark what discord follows'. The great untuner in all this is not Boris Johnson by proroguing to a timetable to suit his political convenience (as other prime ministers have done in tight spots). It is Mr Speaker Bercow — in general because the Speaker must be impartial, and he isn't; in particular because he keeps trashing the rule by which the government controls the business of the House. This really has upset the balance of the system. The British tradition, eloquently expounded by Jacob Rees-Mogg in his speech in parliament on Tuesday night, is that we are governed through the House of Commons, not that the House of Commons is the government. Once the Commons tries to become the government, no one can function as prime minister, so a general election becomes necessary.

Bercow is an appalling partisan travesty of a Speaker and a disgrace to his office. But I would also blame another - David Cameron, the modish twerp who gave Britain the Fixed Term Parliaments Act. A concession to the Liberal Democrats in his coalition, this alleged "modernization" of the system has, in fact, wrecked it. In the old days, Boris would have gone to the Palace and said, "Your Majesty, I can command no majority in the House, and so your Government cannot govern. Put Corbyn in or call an election." Now he requires a two-thirds majority of the House to get that election, and the House won't give it him because they wish to hold him hostage in his inability to govern.

So one supposedly modest "reform" by Cameron, its virtues obvious to all right-thinking people, has wrecked the balance of centuries. The Mother of Parliaments is now, as the rappers would say, the Muthaf***er of Parliaments: It is not a becoming sight.

~ The obvious characterization of these last few days of Parliamentary histrionics is George S Kaufman's, after the Germans invaded Russia: "I think they're shooting without a script." As for Boris, when Donald Trump does something baffling to conventionally minded political sages, he is said to be playing 3D chess. By that standard, Boris would have to be playing 9D chess. We shall find out very soon.

[Mega]

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Ok, update
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...on-ruling.html

She a- ppeal but is dead already.....................Boris will closed down till after 31st Oct. Once the EECP see's WE ARE LEAVING.......then suddenly a deal will be offered.

[GRG55]

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Europe is unlikely to do anything.

This whole sorry episode has been so badly mishandled by British politicians for the last three years, I can't see the EU wasting its time negotiating anything. Nor can I see them eager for Britain to stay in the EU, given the risk Brexit will again rear its ugly head (just like Quebec sovereignty kept coming back over and over again in Canada). Emotions are too high for Brexit to go away even if the Remainers succeed in preventing it this round.

The choice right now is binary - Boris' no-deal Brexit, or accept the last deal negotiated by PM Theresa May. Choose your poison.

And I would not rule out the possibility Boris Johnson, who is one of the few politicians in this world that is willing to take any personal risk, resigns and turns the whole mess over to Corbyn. And then runs against him in the inevitable election.

[Mega]

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.........back in the day when Kes was F*ckable

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if bojo resigns do you think the snp, lib dems, plaid something[?] would provide corbyn with a majority?

[Chris Coles]

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if bojo resigns do you think the snp, lib dems, plaid something[?] would provide corbyn with a majority?

Boris Johnson is not going to resign. period!

No one wants to be associated with Corbyn since he was outed in a major newspaper article a while ago. You all need to read this: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ion-chaos.html

[Mega]

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He is hell bent of returning us to the 1970's
There is a new wave, a Blue wave of Libertians ........in the 80's Thatcher moved us right on money matters........but did NOTHING ref Education (Left wing out put). The left grabbed positions of power in the Media...........but now BBC/Channel 4 leftist crap is finished.

AS for Labour?.............try not to laugh!

Meantime @ Tory HQ

[Mega]

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Boris could learn from this guy