Volvo "Limit" their cars to 112 mph

[Mega]

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...top-speed-2020

Volvo (self-rightous bastards) have decided to "limit" all their new cars to 112 mph.
Given that most of their cars are going to have to replace Diesels with Hybrids (& eletric) i suspect i know why, here a clue.

New Honda Cross over Hybrid Top Speed ...........112 mph
Toyota Hybrids (Pruis etc) Top Speed...................112 mph.

In other words, in order to hit their "Cafe" requirements they going to have to follow Japan. However never one to miss a trick rather than hide the fact, they gone with "we doing it for saftey" bulsh1t.

In this sprint Mega has "Limit" himself to NO Hollywood film stars for sex................

Mike

Ps Volvo's sports dept (Polestar) will NOT be limted.....

[Mega]

Re: Volvo "Limit" their cars to 112 mph

Perhaps i could date this charming woman instead?

[dcarrigg]

Re: Volvo "Limit" their cars to 112 mph

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...top-speed-2020

Volvo (self-rightous bastards) have decided to "limit" all their new cars to 112 mph.
Given that most of their cars are going to have to replace Diesels with Hybrids (& eletric) i suspect i know why, here a clue.

New Honda Cross over Hybrid Top Speed ...........112 mph
Toyota Hybrids (Pruis etc) Top Speed...................112 mph.

In other words, in order to hit their "Cafe" requirements they going to have to follow Japan. However never one to miss a trick rather than hide the fact, they gone with "we doing it for saftey" bulsh1t.

In this sprint Mega has "Limit" himself to NO Hollywood film stars for sex................

Mike

Ps Volvo's sports dept (Polestar) will NOT be limted.....

I did a little work on my old 90s Taurus sho to get her under 6.5s on a 0-60. She probably topped out about 150mph at that point. Call it middle class tinkering. Never spent much either. Never did own a diesel. Came close to buying a Passat tdi maybe 12 years back though.

Anyways here is what I don't get, and maybe someone who knows the oil business better can chime in, but I've always been under the impression that diesel is part of the refining process. I still heat my house with it. Always assumed New England is locked into it due to the Irving plants. Someone has to soak up the production. Irving's have the refinery in Ireland too.

I guess what I'm asking is, how do you imagine a world with no demand side ethos suddenly shutting refineries down by demand tweaks and bans? I've often looked at this kind of problem from the other side. Nobody generally considers the demand side in any other market. At least not on a government action level. So it's weird to me to imagine government going this direction in the US at least. Especially because if you can diesel vehicles, and it's part of the refining process, that means cheaper heat for me.

So it just seems to me like if you have government wanting to abolish diesel, that can go after the refineries directly. And since Reagan/Thatcher, government has operated almost exclusively on the supply side. All the tools of government and the tax laws are geared to that end, barring a massive change.

So why would they be going exclusively demand side suddenly here and now?

[dcarrigg]

Re: Volvo "Limit" their cars to 112 mph

I mean, I'm not a fanatic about this stuff. I've done enough work in my own life that even if I were to become some jet setter with a private jet, my conscience would be clean. I do not worry about it like that.

All that being said, I almost certainly have the lowest carbon footprint of any American on this board. But it's mostly just because we live in a small place with very few appliances.

Any way, I like to keep cars as much as the next guy. Got a couple ICE cars myself. Got no 220v service and no intention of changing. Maybe we will come to a day where the US dumps hundreds of billions or trillions on upgrading private houses to charge EVs. Even if they do, it's a long row to hoe.

Meanwhile, just by state law, MA residents put out 1/14 the carbon Wyoming residents do per capital. And the smoking gun is coal, I guess.

I'm not actually hugely in favor of demand side restrictions in this area. I mean, thinking like a government, it's much easier to go after the source and drive prices up than implement product restrictions. Most people are broke and super price sensitive. It's super easy to change behavior of 90% of people just by jacking prices up. The few who can afford to ignore market signals are probably positioned to ignore laws and bans generally with no consequences anyhow.

[dcarrigg]

Re: Volvo "Limit" their cars to 112 mph

I mean, it just seems to me that the right has overpressed the politics of jealousy. The left is often accused of the politics of envy. But envy can be aspirational. Jealousy is always backward looking by nature.

Someone is coming to take your guns, your diesel car, your house, whatever. That's the core of it. Even if it ain't true. I joked among friends over a year ago that Murdoch would use Fox to talk about a War on Meat. And this month on Hannity, it happened. Because Booker's a vegan he said store your meat for value now. Totally nuts. But taken seriously. And even as a lefty, I'll never vote for Booker or any VC exec, nor a billionaire like Schultz.

So if it's not me and it's not you and both of us touch our governments in some way and the whole game is rigged towards the supply side, how is the jealousy real? Or is it all just what Rupert wants you to believe? And how would you know?

[Mega]

Re: Volvo "Limit" their cars to 112 mph

AS we see a shift from ICE to EV's there will be dangers.
Not only are they talking about 112 mph limiters but also the car will see the speed sign and adjust the speed to match...........you "Might" be allowed to over ride this for a short time......but the bastard thing will keep going "Hal" on you.

I heard that this will ONLY be the case if you have it in cruze control or Autopilot mode.......but i suspect they try to force it on you. Also will want to "Up date" your software via WiFi......so they could simply reprogram your car & you only find out the next day.

However, this might not be a bad thing in that if the PLEBS are given reduced performance cars & Mega can afford a Full power unlimted version..........well

[lakedaemonian]

Re: Volvo "Limit" their cars to 112 mph

The problem with electrics is that they are not optimised for high speed performance.

Pushing too much air and pulling too much power from the battery are both vulnerabilities of electrics.

Battery temperature on fast drain is a big issue.

Other vulnerabilities include a requirement to revamp the retail/service dealership business model.

Current automotive franchises are highly dependant on service income to pay the bills.

Electric vehicles require little to no legitimate service intervals other than replacement of consumables limited to brake pads and tires.

So service income is gone.

Volvo’s new electric only platform is reportedly not going to be for sale/lease, only available by monthly subscription.

[jk]

Re: Volvo "Limit" their cars to 112 mph

we're going to have to wait for a lot more global warming before i'll trust an ev to be my sole transportation through a new england winter.

[Chomsky]

Re: Volvo "Limit" their cars to 112 mph

All that being said, I almost certainly have the lowest carbon footprint of any American on this board. But it's mostly just because we live in a small place with very few appliances.

Let's fight! I live in a 1000-sq-ft apartment in a well insulated old brick building in Brooklyn, double-paned windows, gas stove, no microwave, small fridge, one computer, high-efficiency gas heater, 100% LED lights, no car.

[dcarrigg]

Re: Volvo "Limit" their cars to 112 mph

Ok. You might got me beat. You have more sqft than me by 20 or 30%. Place is buttoned up and insulated, and tiny and 130 years old with low ceilings (under 7'), but I'm still heating with diesel since the town has no gas lines. Get pretty solid MPG in a 22 year old Civic, and don't use it daily. But I have bus access in easy walking distance (as well as a couple grocery stores, pubs, a block either way, etc) and I have train access up the bike path or within a couple mile walk or a short bus ride. It ain't Brooklyn, but I could get there in half a day without a car no problem. And Boston is obviously much closer and commutable. All LED too. Total of 8 bulbs and 2 puck lights for the yard. No AC. No TV. No dishwasher. No microwave. No disposal. None of that newfangled stuff. Electric bill goes under $20 per month, about 100kWh per month or so. 1,500kWh annually is probably more than I use. Burn through about 200gal of propane per year on hot water and cooking. Maybe 150gal of gasoline on a heavy year, which will hurt me in this game. Then maybe 300 gal of no. 2 fuel oil per winter, plus a bit of wood, which might be the killer.

So back of the envelope? @20 lbs per gallon of gasoline that's 3,000 for the car. New England is under 1 lb per kWh. So let's estimate high and say 1,500 for electric. Propane's about 12lb per gallon. So 2,400 there. Fuel oil is up at 22 per gallon so 6,600 there. 2 lbs per lb of wood. Say maybe 1,000 there as a side thing. Maybe 500lb or something for breathing and I'd guess 15,000lbs or 7.5 tons annually not counting food. Outside of Xmas dinner and one graduation cookout, don't think I've touched red meat or cheese or butter this year. Not a carbon or a Peta thing so much as working out and going high protein, high fiber. Took a couple domestic flights last year. Coach, somewhat to my dismay. Bus and train rides add something too. I'd put my diet probably at 9 lb CO2 per day or so. Maybe 3,000lb there. I don't know how to add up the bus, train and couple plane trips. Then there are the other consumer goods I bought. So I don't know. Maybe rounding everything up to be fair I'm looking at 9 tons+.

I probably shouldn't have said it, because it's low for US standards, but we have folks in other countries and warmer climates that might easily beat me if they don't crank the AC.

Of course, it's not just me living here, but these calculations are just kind of rough things anyways.

[vt]

Re: Volvo "Limit" their cars to 112 mph

Wise men. Spend less, save more, and end up wealthy.

[Chomsky]

Re: Volvo "Limit" their cars to 112 mph

My lifestyle choices put me way above you. I eat out about once a week and have a thing for French wines - more than enough to offset your car and fireplace.