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  • George Soros - Europe may be on the cusp of a nightmare

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/eu...-up-2019-02-11

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    Re: George Soros - Europe may be on the cusp of a nightmare

    What cracks me up, vt, is that people think this guy's on the left, yet he writes sentences like this:

    The party system of individual states reflects the divisions that mattered in the 19th and 20th centuries, such as the conflict between capital and labor. But the cleavage that matters most today is between pro- and anti-European forces.


    At almost no time in recent history has capital so dominated labor. Labor's share of the economy is shrinking faster than at any time since we began measuring. But, according to Mr. Billionaire, the conflict between capital and labor does not matter.

    If you're anti-EU, this type of thing can only be a good sign. They're not willing to give an inch to labor to save the union. They'd rather let it fall apart. So the pro-EU center-left will stay dead. The right meanwhile is even more openly hostile to labor. Yet, most people earn their living by labor. If the next move is to try to prop up a cadre of anti-labor Green Parties across Europe, the question is not whether it will succeed, but only the degree to which it will fail.

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    • #3
      Re: George Soros - Europe may be on the cusp of a nightmare

      Anything that ends the ECCP is welcome

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        Re: George Soros - Europe may be on the cusp of a nightmare

        What else could be the result? I mean, how could anyone read drivel like this and tell me it's a hopeful or exciting prospect to people with a straight face. Within Germany, the green base is disproportionately south-western, wealthy, and middle aged. And the dream is a cold, professional, anti-populism green-christian democrat coalition. How does that look any different from the CDU-SPD coalition? Maybe a bit sharper focus on weed and wellness programs and bicycle transit, with a few more bans on diesel and junk food? The Greens finished in 6th place with 8% of the vote in 2017. They're temporarily polling second now, but with what? 16-18% support? Not exactly a ringing nation-wide endorsement; it's more a comment on how no party's polling much over 30%.

        Imagine living in a country with 6 or 7 viable political parties, and they break down like this:

        SPD:
        Pro-EU
        Pro-NATO
        Anti-labor
        Socially progressive

        CDU:
        Pro-EU
        Pro-NATO
        Anti-labor
        Socially Conservative

        CSU:
        Anti-EU
        Pro-NATO
        Anti-labor
        Socially Conservative

        AfD:
        Anti-EU
        Anti-NATO
        Anti-labor
        Socially Conservative

        Greens:
        Pro-EU
        Pro-NATO
        Anti-labor
        Socially Progressive

        FDP:
        Pro-EU
        Pro-NATO
        Anti-labor
        Social libertarians

        Die Linke:
        Anti-EU
        Anti-NATO
        Pro-labor
        Social moderates

        Notice there's no combination that's pro-EU, or even pro-NATO and pro-labor. This is why the center-left collapsed after Schroeder. It's the central problem with Blair-ism, Clinton-ism, Third-way-ism, Neoliberalism, or whatever you want to call it. Center-left parties, even those called Labour, took pro-corporate, anti-labor policy positions. But even in Germany, where the pro-labor part of the SPD broke off to join Die Linke, voters are stuck. Pulling Germany out of NATO is stupid as hell. But Die Linke wants to do that. There is no option for regular people who want a better shake and better benefits and services and higher wages AND a sane foreign policy. And no party is taking up that mantle.

        Now, say what you will about the EU, but if it benefitted any country, I mean, if it resulted in any winner, it has to be Deutschland, right? So what's the cap on the anti-EU sentiment there? I really think a party that's not all mixed up with anti-NATO sentiment and old dusty communist apparachniks, but which actually wanted to tilt the playing field a bit back towards labor, could probably scrape 30 or 40% back up, like the SPD used to. But it's just not an option anymore.

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        • #5
          Re: George Soros - Europe may be on the cusp of a nightmare

          I find it interesting that the Alt-right are so effective right now.

          Here in Blighty "Tommy Robison" has just played the BBC big time.
          They were planning a "Hit job" on him & he turned the tables on them:_



          Some one is working this out of sight

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          • #6
            Re: George Soros - Europe may be on the cusp of a nightmare

            The World has changed, the old world was run by "Gate keepers"....BBC/News print etc.....................GONE.
            A shift in thinking has arrived, some people get it

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