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    http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/met...109.html?imw=Y

    Thousands show up for shot at Wal-Mart job

    By HELENA OLIVIERO, PAUL DONSKY
    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

    Published on: 01/09/08

    They came in droves — high school students, retirees, young moms, the unemployed — all for a shot at a job at a new Wal-Mart on Memorial Drive in central DeKalb County.

    In just two days, and with virtually no advertising or even any signs, a staggering 7,500 people filled out applications for one of the 350 to 400 available jobs.

    Delois Zeigler was among those who packed a meeting room Tuesday at Saint Philips AME Church near Avondale Estates, hoping to soon be wearing Wal-Mart's trademark blue uniform.

    "I need a job," said Zeigler, who has held temporary cleaning and cooking jobs since moving to metro Atlanta two months ago. "I'm open to anything."

    Although Wal-Mart often draws more than 1,000 applicants in one day, store manager Henry Greene said the turnout for the Memorial Drive site was stunning.

    "When I arrived Monday morning and saw people lined up down the hill, it was absolutely frightening," he said. "To see that many people, I was like, 'Oh my goodness.' I was very happy."

    The big turnout speaks volumes about the state of the local economy, said Bruce Kaufman, a Georgia State University economics professor. While the unemployment rate in the area remains relatively low, Kaufman said the large number of job-seekers suggests that many people are either under-employed or had stopped looking for work.

    "People are trying to upgrade to a better job," he said. The Wal-Mart, being built on the site of the former Avondale Mall, has been controversial. Some residents in nearby affluent Avondale Estates worried the store would bring crime and traffic, while others hoped it would spur economic growth.

    For Anthony Ridley, 42, the issue was simple. He was just looking to work again after seven months of unemployment. "I am ready, and need to work again," Ridley said.
    This is quite bad news. Labor has no pricing power, how can the masses service their debt if they have no jobs, no income or just subsistence income?

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    Re: Thousands show up for shot at Wal-Mart job

    Originally posted by Sapiens View Post
    This is quite bad news. Labor has no pricing power, how can the masses service their debt if they have no jobs, no income or just subsistence income?

    This is also an indictment of the way BLS calculates unemployment!

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      Re: Thousands show up for shot at Wal-Mart job

      Agreed!
      As Schiff sez its a badly written computer model!
      Mike

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        Re: Thousands show up for shot at Wal-Mart job

        Originally posted by Sapiens View Post
        http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/met...109.html?imw=Y



        This is quite bad news. Labor has no pricing power, how can the masses service their debt if they have no jobs, no income or just subsistence income?
        Not knowing all the intimate details of why individuals have debt, one answer toward making life better with regard to less stress would be to learn not to take on debt--that definitely does away with the need for "the masses to service their debt[s]."
        Jim 69 y/o

        "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

        Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

        Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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          Re: Thousands show up for shot at Wal-Mart job

          Originally posted by Sapiens View Post
          http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/met...109.html?imw=Y



          This is quite bad news. Labor has no pricing power, how can the masses service their debt if they have no jobs, no income or just subsistence income?
          These will determine the shape of the recession in broad terms. The antecedents: poor distribution of wealth, income, and liquidity.

          In Recession 2007 - ?: Part I EJ says, "...these are the two factors to watch as the recession unfolds: inflation volatility and unemployment."

          The evidence is mounting that the definition of "unemployment" in the US is running head long into the reality of the political process. We will get a populist President, whether Republican or Democrat, in 2008. The 1980s post Reagan era is about to come to an end. No telling where it's going, though.
          Ed.

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            Re: Thousands show up for shot at Wal-Mart job

            Originally posted by Sapiens View Post
            http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/met...109.html?imw=Y

            Kaufman said the large number of job-seekers suggests that many people are either under-employed or had stopped looking for work.
            I first wondered if "under-employed" was some kind of Newspeak way of saying "unemployed" :rolleyes:, but a Wikipedia search says there are three definitions of "underemployment", one being:

            Underemployment can also be used in Regional planning to describe localities where economic activity rates are unusually low. This can be induced by a lack of job opportunities, training opportunities, or services such as childcare and public transportation. Such difficulties may lead residents to accept economic inactivity rather than register as unemployed or actively seek jobs because their prospects for regular employment appear so bleak. (These people are often called discouraged workers and are not counted officially as being "unemployed.") The tendency to get by without work (to exit the labour force, living off of relatives, friends, personal savings, or non-recorded economic activities) can be aggravated if it is made difficult to obtain unemployment benefits.
            So basically it's a mild euphemism for unemployed.

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              Re: Thousands show up for shot at Wal-Mart job

              Originally posted by Jim Nickerson View Post
              Not knowing all the intimate details of why individuals have debt, one answer toward making life better with regard to less stress would be to learn not to take on debt--that definitely does away with the need for "the masses to service their debt[s]."
              Your self-righteous reply betrays how little you know about our economic and monetary system.

              It is their labor that creates the wealth that enables us, the investor class, to sit on our ass. They are the original creditors that back the currency of our monetary system; if they are not employed hell breaks loose.

              -Sapiens

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                Re: Thousands show up for shot at Wal-Mart job

                Originally posted by Sapiens View Post
                Your self-righteous reply betrays how little you know about our economic and monetary system.

                It is their labor that creates the wealth that enables us, the investor class, to sit on our ass. They are the original creditors that back the currency of our monetary system; if they are not employed hell breaks loose.

                -Sapiens
                jim believes in ayn rand... that spectacled academic writer of utopia dreams of perfect free will. no influence by media, no lulling of the masses with promises of rentier wealth by authorities they watch on tv every day. no illness or other misfortune. everyone is well educated... goes to good schools, has the mental tools to make good choices... doesn't eat crappy food, gets enough exercise and health care... right. go to europe and come back ashamed. the usa is full of sick, uneducated people. 3rd world. its infrastructure is crap. it's pathetic. they got plenty of other problems, but they live well. i don't see norwegians lined up to get into the usa. immigrants come here from even more fucked up countries, like mexico and brazil. that's our standard for government now.

                before you take this as an anti usa rant, know that i believe this is the greatest country on earth, but it's gotten so fucked up by decades of shit leadership that it's approaching lost cause status.

                the recession jim hopes for will make things MUCH harder on average folks while the 1% with 95% of the $$$ watches in comfort. if you have $100mil and you lose $90mil you still got $10mil. the mean or median household's got $46k liquid net worth. when one of the bread winners is unemployed, how long can the family last? six months? a year? longer with less debt, for sure.

                just googled for liquid net worth... was looking for the itulip chart. what i got? why is it only itulip talks about this? it's clearly THE problem going into this recession... concentration of debt. it can't be an accident.

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                  Re: Thousands show up for shot at Wal-Mart job

                  You can find the numbers at Power in America
                  Wealth, Income, and Power
                  by G. William Domhoff

                  There are some good charts there as well

                  Also later data at The Distribution of Wealth in America




                  Also"Recent Trends in Household Wealth in the United States: Rising Debt and the Middle-Class Squeeze,"

                  Also from



                  Distribution of Liquid & Total Net Worth
                  Last edited by Rajiv; January 10, 2008, 09:08 PM.

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                    Re: Thousands show up for shot at Wal-Mart job

                    Originally posted by Sapiens View Post
                    Your self-righteous reply betrays how little you know about our economic and monetary system.

                    It is their labor that creates the wealth that enables us, the investor class, to sit on our ass. They are the original creditors that back the currency of our monetary system; if they are not employed hell breaks loose.

                    -Sapiens
                    Perhap you are correct with regard to how little I know about economics and the monetary system, except to say I do know that both are seriously screwed up--that probably is quite enough to know.

                    It will probably take "hell breaking loose" if not even something more to change the inequities that currently exist in the US.

                    Originally posted by the metalman View Post
                    jim believes in ayn rand... that spectacled academic writer of utopia dreams of perfect free will. no influence by media, no lulling of the masses with promises of rentier wealth by authorities they watch on tv every day. no illness or other misfortune. everyone is well educated... goes to good schools, has the mental tools to make good choices... doesn't eat crappy food, gets enough exercise and health care... right. go to europe and come back ashamed. the usa is full of sick, uneducated people. 3rd world. its infrastructure is crap. it's pathetic. they got plenty of other problems, but they live well. i don't see norwegians lined up to get into the usa. immigrants come here from even more fucked up countries, like mexico and brazil. that's our standard for government now.

                    before you take this as an anti usa rant, know that i believe this is the greatest country on earth, but it's gotten so fucked up by decades of shit leadership that it's approaching lost cause status.

                    the recession jim hopes for will make things MUCH harder on average folks while the 1% with 95% of the $$$ watches in comfort. if you have $100mil and you lose $90mil you still got $10mil. the mean or median household's got $46k liquid net worth. when one of the bread winners is unemployed, how long can the family last? six months? a year? longer with less debt, for sure.

                    just googled for liquid net worth... was looking for the itulip chart. what i got? why is it only itulip talks about this? it's clearly THE problem going into this recession... concentration of debt. it can't be an accident.
                    Surely I believe in Ayn Rand--she was a real person. What I got from Rand and consider to have been important is attempting to look after my own little red wagon as I have gone through life was the value, as I saw it, of the qualities of her character Howard Roark, the architect, in The Fountainhead. As she portrayed him in her book of fiction he was a helluva good man who was capable of understanding what he wished to accomplish and under what terms he would accept in order to achieve his desires. For anything he took, he also provided recompense. He was not a leech nor would he allow others to take advantage of him. Beyond that, I took very little from Rand. When you, mm, or anyone wishes to extrapolate her notions of capitalism into this world of today, the thing that should be remembered is that her capitalists were fictional idealized individuals, and there is nothing like that which exist to my reckoning in today's world.

                    Originally posted by the metalmal
                    before you take this as an anti usa rant, know that i believe this is the greatest country on earth, but it's gotten so fucked up by decades of shit leadership that it's approaching lost cause status.
                    I get what you mean here, mm, its sort of like saying an "honest lawyer" on an event that is "pretty ugly." Right, have I got it? USA is the greatest, fucked up place, with shit leadership. That just doesn't read so as to make good sense.

                    Actually if the recession which is severely needed, and which EJ has said is here (you should relate to that, metalman) gets bad enough then perhaps anarchy will take over and somethings will really be changed--no doubt after many years of turbulence.

                    I, of course, do not know what the future holds, but I have come to believe something has to be changed, and if things get worse before they get better, then that would be good. This continued application of band-aids isn't going to keep the ship from sinking.
                    Jim 69 y/o

                    "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

                    Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

                    Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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                      Re: Thousands show up for shot at Wal-Mart job

                      Originally posted by metalman
                      before you take this as an anti usa rant, know that i believe this is the greatest country on earth, but it's gotten so fucked up by decades of shit leadership that it's approaching lost cause status.
                      What he said.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Thousands show up for shot at Wal-Mart job

                        Originally posted by zoog View Post
                        So basically it's a mild euphemism for unemployed.
                        I always thought it meant working at a job that was beneath your skill/education level. Like an out-of-work executive working part time at Starbucks. You can't collect an unemployment check, but you aren't really employed at your full potential.

                        I have seen several people who explain periods of unemployment on their resume as running my own consulting business.

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                          Re: Thousands show up for shot at Wal-Mart job

                          Originally posted by jimmygu3 View Post
                          I always thought it meant working at a job that was beneath your skill/education level. Like an out-of-work executive working part time at Starbucks. You can't collect an unemployment check, but you aren't really employed at your full potential.

                          I have seen several people who explain periods of unemployment on their resume as running my own consulting business.
                          Yep that was one of the other definitions.

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underemployment

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