The demise of the ICE cars?

[Southernguy]

A li ion battery with double capacity of the existing ones and charges in 6 minutes....
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/...r-battery-cell

[shiny!]

Re: The demise of the ICE cars?

Sounds like they're making good progress. But as much as I would love to drive an electric car, I won't get one until they come with solid state batteries that can't burst into flames.

[GRG55]

Re: The demise of the ICE cars?

I think the title of this thread is worthy of the National Inquirer...right next to the article about a baby conceived by tryst with an alien.

It's also indicative of how far iTulip has strayed from being one of the essential must read economics forums.

To wit, to create the demise of the ICE car requires not just battery technology that offers more range, but far more importantly such technology widely available at a price point that buyers can actually afford. In the past that would have been an essential part of the discussion on the thread. Instead we replicate the now all-to-common behavior of the MSM of over-dramatizing "news" with such a nonsensical thread title.

The leap from an emerging, experimental benchtop technology to the demise of ICE cars is a large one indeed.

Sounds like they're making good progress. But as much as I would love to drive an electric car, I won't get one until they come with solid state batteries that can't burst into flames.

Batteries are chemical energy storage devices. All of them. That is why the advances are incremental and not dramatic. Don't hold your breath waiting for a "solid state" chemical reaction.

Every bit of energy that comes out of a storage battery has to have first been put into it. Just imagine the size of the power supply that would be required to inject, in 6 minutes, sufficient electrical energy into this breakthrough Toshiba storage battery to move the weight of a vehicle and contents 400 or 500 miles. Then imagine how much upgrading of our electrical distribution systems would be required to supply enough cars with that much power that quicky to actually accomplish the demise of the ICE car.

[vt]

Re: The demise of the ICE cars?

So you don't believe China, India, France, Britain, and Norway are serious?

http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/11/news...ban/index.html

[dcarrigg]

Re: The demise of the ICE cars?

To wit, to create the demise of the ICE car requires not just battery technology that offers more range, but far more importantly such technology widely available at a price point that buyers can actually afford. In the past that would have been an essential part of the discussion on the thread.

Exactly. For nearly a century we have had electric cars. They lost out to ICE cars because 1) they're expensive, 2) they're heavy, 3) they lack range, 4) they take too long to fuel. There's nothing I've seen to suggest any of those fundamentals have changed.

Maybe something changes 50 years from now or something. But not in the foreseeable couple decades.

[GRG55]

Re: The demise of the ICE cars?

So you don't believe China, India, France, Britain, and Norway are serious?

http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/11/news...ban/index.html

Serious about what? Politicians and bureaucrats trying to look good by making pronouncements? Certainly they are serious about that. Show me some place on earth where they are not.

But that doesn't mean any of it will ever succeed in achieving the stated objectives, or do so without "unexpected", unintentional, invariably negative, consequences for the citizenry.

Used to be manias and delusions were confined to local or regional geography; think Salem witch trials. With wires connecting people they became national or continental. With today's digital, wireless, instantly globe spanning communications technologies and apps we now endure politicians from Australia to Azerbaijan endless plagiarisms of each other as they announce their earnest desire for "leadership" in whatever is the fancy of the moment. Solar technology, self-driving cars, state-of-the-art battery manufacturing, hydrogen highways, even "climate change leader" whatever that is. When China stops building coal fired power plants in China, and elsewhere, maybe, just maybe I may temper my cynicism.

No I don't take them seriously. There's no downside for politicians and bureaucrats anywhere to lie to their citizens. And no upside not to. This is resulting in waves of some of the most idiotic and misguided public policy I can ever recall. Maybe they should stick to providing better security, education, health care and other needed public services to their citizens, instead of single-handedly trying to outdo each other to save the entire world.

[BK]

Re: The demise of the ICE cars?

This belief in electric cars is INSANE. Hybrid - yes, but the draw backs to electric and endless. Bottomline, many of the biggest cities have winter and EVs range drops like a rock once you add the need for heating. With a hybrid you get the best of EV and ICE.

Press releases by politicians about electrics is just a day in the life of a politician. A Pol pushes out ideas every day and just hopes to keep voters distracted until he/she is elected again.

China is certainly persuing a lot of oil
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...core-and-qatar
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...e-oil-deposits
https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/co...frican-assets/

[jk]

Re: The demise of the ICE cars?

This belief in electric cars is INSANE. Hybrid - yes, but the draw backs to electric and endless. Bottomline, many of the biggest cities have winter and EVs range drops like a rock once you add the need for heating. With a hybrid you get the best of EV and ICE.

you don't get the mechanical simplicity of the ev. i think the chevy volt is the best idea of how to combine ev and ice.