Wot is wrong with her????

[Woodsman]

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Doctor's survey says 71% think HRC health a real concern

Not minimizing this in any way. I don't know if HRC's health is an issue but I think it's legitimate to ask. Just like it's legitimate to ask "why not, what's there you don't want to show" questions of Trump's unwillingness to release his tax records, the same is legitimate of HRC's unwillingness to open her her health records. I suspect Trump won't open up on his taxes because he knows there's stuff in there that looks bad. Is it reasonable to think HRC has similar motivations in keeping her health records locked down too?

I don't know if she is afflicted by disease or merely old age and I don't believe either is sufficient to disqualify her outright - there are far more compelling arguments supporting her disqualification. But it's a legitimate question and this idea of the Clintons that we're all fools or rabid right wingers for asking should make everyone more interested in what, if anything, she is hiding. It's interesting to me that she hasn't made more of the tax thing as a counter to the health stories, if only to change the subject. Presumably each of them have the goods on the other and neither will pull the trigger for fear of what the other has. Mexican standoff, maybe?

When I saw that headline, I immediately thought "the AMA? Not a chance." And as it turns out, these doctors are representative of an old, Procrustean conservative organization established in the face of one of the first attempts to create a single-payer medical system back in the 1940s. And they've gone after HRC before, so it's hard to take this story very far. I like the symmetry even though I hate that it fits so comfortably into the HRC vast right wing health conspiracy narrative, but so it goes. The best propaganda is the kind you already believe, right?

Elections have never exactly been moments where we celebrate the truth, but do you remember any in your lifetime so over the top? It truly is information war, with an emphasis on war.

[Chris Coles]

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The man who touches Hillary may be a member of Hillary’s close staff – but he is NOT a Secret Service agent.
Mike Cernovich pointed out earlier that Hillary’s handler carries what looks like a Diazepam pen

The two fingers are too close together for that to be a torch of some king, they definitely look like they hold a very thin bar with a thumb cap.

[vt]

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Your exactly right on this Woody. As I said on another part of this thread:

"In the end both candidates are flawed and not what we need in the White House. However, only Trump is the true outsider against the elites of both parties. He'll likely lose and the American people will be stuck the the same Banking-Political Cartel. I don't support either and wish we had a better choice."

There is the most concentrated information war being waged by both sides, some not connected to either candidate. The competing elites are in mortal combat to preserve their privilege. Wile Trump is anti elite he is certainly not the best choice to lead us out of this morass.

[Woodsman]

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HRC has what is termed a "medical episode" and appears to faint at 9/11 memorial. FoxNews, The Hill and MSNBC corroborate the story. It looks more and more like her health really is an issue.

she stumbled off curb, "knees buckled", lost a shoe as she was helped into van

https://twitter.com/hashtag/HillarysHealth?src=hash

[shiny!]

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HRC has what is termed a "medical episode" and appears to faint at 9/11 memorial. FoxNews, The Hill and MSNBC corroborate the story. It looks more and more like her health really is an issue.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/HillarysHealth?src=hash

I think she might be suffering from adrenal insufficiency. The woman's been under massive stress and a grueling schedule for a long time. That'll wear out the adrenals. Fainting, sudden weakness, dizziness, knees buckling, memory problems, high temper (striking her secret service agents), even coughing can be symptoms.

Conventional medicine doesn't recognize adrenal insufficiency until it turns into full-blown adrenal failure (Addison's disease), which is very rare, so it often goes undiagnosed and untreated. It did in my case, anyway.

[Woodsman]

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I think she might be suffering from adrenal insufficiency. The woman's been under massive stress and a grueling schedule for a long time. That'll wear out the adrenals. Fainting, sudden weakness, dizziness, knees buckling, memory problems, high temper (striking her secret service agents), even coughing can be symptoms.

Conventional medicine doesn't recognize adrenal insufficiency until it turns into full-blown adrenal failure (Addison's disease), which is very rare, so it often goes undiagnosed and untreated. It did in my case, anyway.

My God, look at her. She can't even stand or walk. This looks bad.

Here it is from another angle. She's like a rag doll. They have her propped up against that post with one of her handlers keeping her up by the arm. As soon as she takes a step it's stumble city. She can barely lift her legs and looks like she has little control over her movement.

I hope she gets to a neurologist fast. I had no idea it was this bad.

[shiny!]

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My God, look at her. She can't even stand or walk. This looks bad.

That's what cortisol deficiency looks like. Not saying it couldn't be something else (I'm not a doctor), but the knees buckling like that... that's what happened to me when my adrenals were failing. It got so bad that any sudden noise, like a door slamming or something falling off a table, would cause my knees to buckle. Every time I stood up I'd get dizzy from orthostatic hypotension. Some days I was too weak and light-headed to even sit up.

[Mega]

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Game over for her!...........Game on for "Amtrack Joe"

[Woodsman]

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You know what else is collapsing? The last shred of the news media's credibility.

For weeks they have been telling us there's nothing to question about her health. On Tuesday, the Washington Post runs a story with the headline "Can we just stop talking about Hillary Clinton’s health now?" The WaPo states:

"This is a totally ridiculous issue — for lots of reasons — and one that if Trump or his Republican surrogates continue to focus on is a surefire loser in the fall."

And why is it ridiculous? Well, because HRC says it is:

"Let's start here: Clinton has released a detailed letter from her personal physician attesting to her overall good health"

Now on Sunday, with the undeniable reality displayed on video for the world to see, the WaPo does an Emily Litella and runs the headline "Hillary Clinton’s health just became a real issue in the presidential campaign."

"Taking the Clinton team's word for it on her health — in light of the episode on Sunday morning — is no longer enough. Reasonable people can — and will — have real questions about her health."

And since when do reporters simply take a candidate's word on anything?

Woodward: "Nothing on those tapes you say, Mr. Nixon? Well that's good enough for me!"
Bernstein: "Good enough for me. Just a two bit robbery, that Watergate thing."

Of course it's been an issue for months, only the WaPo along with the rest of the media and HRC partisans dismissed it as "wacky theories that emerge out of the fever swamps on the very fringe of the conservative movement." CNN called anyone who had questions on HRC's health "the new birthers."



Yesterday it's "wacky..very fringe," today reasonable people can have questions. Gee, thanks, WaPo.

Now that they are forced to acknowledge that it's real, the focus on her health will be unrelenting. And of course, the pressure is only going to get more intense over the next 50 days. One more episode like this will do her serious damage even as her poll numbers continue dropping.

It's anyone's race now.

[Milton Kuo]

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You know what else is collapsing? The last shred of the news media's credibility.

I wish I could be as optimistic as you. The media have so far survived the Jayson Blair incident, its relatively passive stance on the Iraq war, the housing bubble and the subsequent bailouts, Obama's utterly pathetic record on cleaning out the rampant fraud that caused the 2008 wipeout, and now this year's presidential elections.

So far, I do not see the general public distrusting the media at all. Perhaps this is a like a tipping-point function where one day there will be a sudden breakdown in trust by the public. Perhaps. But I definitely don't see it among the people I have spoken with and these are people who would be considered highly educated with college degrees that are among the more difficult to earn. I can only imagine how difficult it would be to get people who watch television all the time, who don't read, to realize that their favorite source of news is making the news rather than reporting it.

[Woodsman]

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I wish I could be as optimistic as you. The media have so far survived the Jayson Blair incident, its relatively passive stance on the Iraq war, the housing bubble and the subsequent bailouts, Obama's utterly pathetic record on cleaning out the rampant fraud that caused the 2008 wipeout, and now this year's presidential elections.

So far, I do not see the general public distrusting the media at all. Perhaps this is a like a tipping-point function where one day there will be a sudden breakdown in trust by the public. Perhaps. But I definitely don't see it among the people I have spoken with and these are people who would be considered highly educated with college degrees that are among the more difficult to earn. I can only imagine how difficult it would be to get people who watch television all the time, who don't read, to realize that their favorite source of news is making the news rather than reporting it.

Remains to be seen. As for Hillary's collapse at the 9/11 Memorial, here's another angle.

She looks like a boxer whose just took one to the jaw. They're dragging her in the car.



Poor thing fell out of her shoes. Can you imagine the non-stop pandemonium of Trump collapsed at the 9/11 Memorial and left his wingtips on the sidewalk.

Scott Adams is calling the race. A bit premature, I think, but it's a whole new ballgame.

[shiny!]

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I wish I could be as optimistic as you. The media have so far survived the Jayson Blair incident, its relatively passive stance on the Iraq war, the housing bubble and the subsequent bailouts, Obama's utterly pathetic record on cleaning out the rampant fraud that caused the 2008 wipeout, and now this year's presidential elections.

So far, I do not see the general public distrusting the media at all. Perhaps this is a like a tipping-point function where one day there will be a sudden breakdown in trust by the public. Perhaps. But I definitely don't see it among the people I have spoken with and these are people who would be considered highly educated with college degrees that are among the more difficult to earn. I can only imagine how difficult it would be to get people who watch television all the time, who don't read, to realize that their favorite source of news is making the news rather than reporting it.

Same here. Maybe the next Wikileaks revelations will tip people over the edge.

There needs to be a .GIF of her fainting in that video and it needs to go viral.

[vt]

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I haven't trusted the press on either side of the political spectrum ever since the early 90's.

Fox and other conservative media never criticize a conservative and the main street media never criticize a liberal. The are both propaganda organs for the competing elites.

[jk]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11-EAzsGxgQ

looks awful

[Woodsman]

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Story changed on Clinton's health (again). CBS is reporting she was diagnosed with Pneumonia "ahead of 9/11 ceremony."

Her campaign did not immediately explain why the Democratic nominee did not reveal the pneumonia diagnosis prior to the Sunday incident, raising questions of transparency.

For the past several weeks we had Clinton staff attacking reporters (and everyone else) for simply asking questions about her health. They denied everything and questioned the motives and sanity of anyone who dared ask the question. Now we find out they knew she was sick and that they were lying to everyone about it.

What's hard to understand is that if she's been sick with Pneumonia - a contagious disease - and was diagnosed on Friday, what was she doing at the fundraiser where Streisand sang. Last time I had pneumonia I could barely walk from the bed to the bathroom and that was 30 years ago. If I had it now at my age I expect I'd be in hospital.

And if she has pneumonia and passes out at the 9/11 ceremonies, what the heck is she doing going to her daughter's apartment. You would think the protection detail would have sent her straight to the hospital as this seems to be a medical emergency. It certainly looked serious on the video.

It looks like she's passed out and unconscious.

I mean, they must have known that she was ill, so why take the risk? I there is protocol for this sort of stuff.

This afternoon as she left her daughter's apartment, knowing that she is sick and contagious, what is she doing cozying-up to fans and passers-by for selfies? I hope she didn't kiss any babies as they would be at great risk.

All of this stinks to high heaven - the gaslighting of anyone who asks about her health, the evolving stories, it's all so strange. Why is it these people can never give a straight answer to anything?

The voters have a right to know if the person they might choose to lead the nation - a nation at war - is healthy enough to do the job. I'm not saying she isn't but this is a legitimate question and needs to be answered with more than a "trust us" from the Clinton campaign. Her credibility is just not there.

And why make something as simple as an illness - everyone gets sick - something to be lied about and covered up only to have to come clean when the cameras catch you? Is this some setup to avoid debating Trump? Is it a dodge to distract from her awful 50% comments?

Certainly the media's role in covering this up right until it became impossible to do so makes me doubt they'll pursue this story seriously. I have to wonder if any of them are reconsidering the decision to tie their credibility to hers as both seem to be sinking fast.