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  • What Happens After Cops Start Getting Shot?

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...t-getting-shot


    Very insightful article at Zerohedge outlining the status of the present situation:

    We are now in the Fourth Stage and the media that you falsely believe represents the views of the American people are calling for a harder crackdown. From the same article last year, written before NYPD officers wereambushed while sitting in their car:
    “Without serious reform in what’s left of the justice system, the future is not one of officers walking free after killing an unarmed person; it will be one of officers becoming the target of sporadic violence. Despite the propaganda, being a cop in the United States is safer than being a trash collector. That will change, and officers will become targets of opportunity for those that previously sought reform through peaceful means.
    “Those in departments that have excused the actions of their officers and made significant peaceful reform impossible, have now set the stage for their officers to be shot while sitting at traffic lights. Only 61% of murders are solved in the United States. Imagine how hard it will be to solve an officer’s murder that is completely random and lacks a direct connection to the shooter. Without a clear motive, there is no place to even start investigating.”
    Certainly, departments all over the country will be issuing memos explaining the new security procedures to counter the threat of targeted killings. Some officers may have already received one. Allow me to guess its contents. The memo suggests riding in pairs, only answering a call once back up has arrived, sitting at separate tables when you eat in a restaurant, and performing all actions as a team to provide greater security. I’d be willing to bet that the phrase “safety in numbers” is somewhere in the memo. These tactics will all fail. The attackers will simply upgrade from firearms to pipe bombs. An even worse scenario is that officers do succeed in making themselves too difficult to attack. The insurgents will stop targeting cops and begin targeting their families while the officers are at work. This is what has happened in every insurgency in history.
    It is extremely important to note that in all of recorded history, an insurgency that matured through the phases and reached this stage has never been quelled through force. Ever. It may have been delayed, but the insurgency simply went underground until opposition forces relaxed. In some cases it took 800 years to achieve an insurgent victory. Once an insurgency reaches this stage, it wins. It is that simple. See: Irish Republic Army.
    At this point, in a form of bizarre just deserts, the only option law enforcement has is the same option it offered to the American people, which prompted this cycle: comply or die.
    Certain police departments may believe they are isolated from the violence because of their geographic location. They aren’t. Because of social media, events that historically would have only prompted violence within the immediate vicinity can prompt violence on the other side of the nation. We are so close to an open insurrection in this country that it boggles the mind. If police proceed with a law enforcement crackdown, events could spiral out of control and open insurrection could happen tomorrow.
    Some in the media are calling for the arrests of the leaders of Black Lives Matter, Cop Block, and other organizations. This is possibly the worst move law enforcement could make. This gives the cause martyrs. To continue the Irish comparison, after the Easter Rising the British government arrested, interned, and even executed some of the rebellion’s leaders. The names of those men are still recited in songs today, 100 years later. It fanned the flames of rebellion and as Éamon de Valera is said to have remarked while waiting for the British government to decide between executing or imprisoning him, “every one of us they shoot brings ten more to the cause.” Today, with social media, the effects of martyr-based propaganda are even stronger. As a more recent example, ask those associated with the Anonymous collective how much influence people like Jeremy Hammond, Aaron Swartz, and Dennis Collins hold. Two of them are deceased, one sits rotting in a federal prison, and yet they are still massive recruiting tools.
    Is this guy really saying to give in to violence? Yes. That is exactly what I am saying. There was an opportunity for a negotiated peace after Ferguson. Law enforcement chose to refuse. Law enforcement chose to dismiss the threat. Law enforcement chose to listen to pundits within the media that were only interested in pandering to their viewers. Now, that time has past. My best advice: immediately decommission the MRAPs, end no-knock raids for non-violent offenders, make certain the suspect is home and that you have the correct house before executing a raid, issue body cameras to all officers, end intrusive electronic surveillance, decommission the drones, and adopt a “do not fire until fired upon” policy. The end result of this scenario will be law enforcement demilitarizing; the only thing left to determine is how many cops and innocents die along the way.
    Those in political office do not care about police officers’ lives. The last time the United States came this close to an open insurrection we had a President that understood insurgency. In fact, he understood it so well that he is responsible for the SEAL Teams and Green Berets having the role they have today. He understood that once it reaches a certain point, violent revolution is inevitable. He said:
    “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.”
    Of course, this is President John F. Kennedy. The threat of open insurrection was during the Civil Rights movement. The reader may still be under the false narrative that the Civil Rights movement was a nonviolent movement. While Dr. Martin Luther King played an important role in the building the movement that would finally achieve victory, he was most important in the first stage of the cycle. In the end, it was not “I have a dream” that forced the passage of the Civil Rights Act, it was “I have a gun.” The reader can take a detailed timeline of the Civil Rights movement and compare it to the stages listed above. For the sake of brevity, we will jump in at the point where the targeted killings of law enforcement began. John F. Kennedy and his brother Robert, had this conversation:
    Robert Kennedy said
    “The Negro Reverend Walker…he said that the Negroes, when dark comes tonight, they’re going to start going after the policemen – headhunting – trying to shoot to kill policemen. He says it’s completely out of hand….you could trigger off a good deal of violence around the country now, with Negroes saying they’ve been abused for all these years and they’re going to follow the ideas of the Black Muslims now…If they feel on the other hand that the federal government is their friend, that it’s intervening for them, that it’s going to work for them, then it will head some of that off. I think that’s the strongest argument for doing something…”
    President Kennedy replied
    “First we have to have law and order, so the Negro’s not running all over the city… If the [local Birmingham desegregation] agreement blows up, the other remedy we have under that condition is to send legislation [The Civil Rights Act] up to congress this week as our response…As a means of providing relief we have to have legislation.”
    John and Robert avoided an open insurrection by recognizing the signs of insurgency and providing relief. There is no person in political office at the national level that has this foresight today. The changes will have to be made at the local and state levels. The reader may be wondering why this historical tidbit was left out of their high school history book. It really isn’t in the government’s interest to tell citizens that the fastest way to achieve reform is to begin shooting government employees.
    Officers and politicians can ignore this article as they have the articles over the last year. If they choose to do so, they should rework their fiscal budget to buy more flags to put on coffins. Those funerals are inevitable without immediate and drastic reform.
    Please, post this this article to your local police department’s Facebook page. While many may be cheering the idea of open insurrection, most do not understand the casualties and hardships associated with an insurgency. Since the federal government is unwilling to intercede, it is up to the American citizen to try to stop this from occurring. We have to take responsibility and stop the scenarios laid out above from happening.

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    Re: What Happens After Cops Start Getting Shot?

    What happens if they start killing random white citizens? The Dallas killer stated just that, and posters have said the same on Twitter. Yes there have been mistakes by a few police and they must be stopped completely. But if the insurgency starts random race killings you have a totally dangerous situation.

    God help us that this never occurs.
    Last edited by vt; July 10, 2016, 04:43 PM.

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    • #3
      Re: What Happens After Cops Start Getting Shot?

      Originally posted by vt View Post
      What happens if they start ....
      What would happen if you grew a pair? Took hold of yourself? Maybe lay off the "24" and Tom Clancy serializations for a while?

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      • #4
        Re: What Happens After Cops Start Getting Shot?

        Not this again. Please stop name calling.

        I've said that all police need body cameras and non lethal force tools now! I stated this on this forum when Ferguson occurred! Stop the racial accusations.

        My concern is for a few crazed, racist radicals that may want to start a race war. These individuals are of both races.

        http://nypost.com/2016/07/08/cops-us...o-kill-whites/

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        • #5
          Re: What Happens After Cops Start Getting Shot?

          Originally posted by vt View Post
          Not this again. Please stop name calling...
          Vt, you're yelling fire in a theater. Think about it.

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          • #6
            Re: What Happens After Cops Start Getting Shot?

            No it's the radicals on the left that are doing that.

            Some on the right have been too.

            I have some very close black friends and I feel for their situation with the police. We all have to find a way to solve this problem.

            But the radical voices must be stopped too on both sides of the political spectrum.

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            • #7
              Re: What Happens After Cops Start Getting Shot?

              Nobody said anything about it here before you, pal. Please refer to my first note.

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              • #8
                Re: What Happens After Cops Start Getting Shot?

                dallas was one extreme and at least somewhat crazy guy. one guy. let's not assume this is a movement just yet. yes, the emergence of that guy is a symptom of a real problem, as illustrated by the 2 irresponsible and inappropriate killings of african americans by cops that got so much attention this week. but still, we have one guy shoot dallas police and suddenly it's an insurrection. when what's his name went up on the texas tower we didn't start discussing a war on professors and students. it was one crazy guy.

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                • #9
                  Re: What Happens After Cops Start Getting Shot?

                  I hope you are right JK. It wasn't just this one individual but the many hateful Twitter replies.

                  You might also want to look at this:

                  https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...-panther-party

                  The Southern Poverty Law center is well known for tracking right wing hate groups. For them to make such a statement about the NBPP speaks loudly of the threat.

                  By the way I wasn't the first to raise this issue. The Washington Post this morning discussed this:

                  https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch
                  Last edited by vt; July 10, 2016, 08:32 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: What Happens After Cops Start Getting Shot?

                    I thought we agreed NOT to post Zerohedge/Alex Jones on Itulip?

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                      • #12
                        Re: What Happens After Cops Start Getting Shot?

                        I saw this comment on an "NRA Logic" meme on Facebook.

                        Kate Belt Arvisais The NRA pushed for Americans to have guns to fight a tyrannical government, and they are getting it, just not in the way they imagined.

                        When we decide to protect an "individuals" right to bear arms, in order to defend themselves from tyrannical forces, we have no control over what represents tyranny to the individual. That's the thing about Constitutional rights, they also apply to people we disagree with just as much as they apply to those we do agree with. If every person has the right to carry firearms that includes, mentally ill, suspected terrorists, white supremacists, anarchists, and potentially future cop killers. Most are often just law abiding citizens exercising their right to bear arms until the exact moment they pull the trigger in a unjustifiable scenario. What concerns me is that each and every one of them now gets to decide what is and what isn't a true threat to their personal civil rights. It seems like it would be common sense to most that shooting innocent civilians or attacking police is wrong but obviously many people in our country don't share that view and we have now entered a time where people feel they have no recourse other than turning to violence. That's how we end up with a tragedy like what happened in Dallas. The NRA pushed this rhetoric but apparently they never considered who would take up the call to defend themselves from a undefined oppressive force.

                        The only difference between a terrorist and a self perceived revolutionary is point of view and we are responsible for arming both sides.

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                        • #13
                          Re: What Happens After Cops Start Getting Shot?

                          Good points.

                          But there are laws against the mentally ill having guns. There are laws against criminal having guns. There are laws against domenstic abusers having guns. Let's enforce these laws first.

                          We do need to have pictures taken in gun shops of those inquiring about the purchase of guns. Anyone asking about body armor should be immediately identified, detained, and have authorities ask the perso why he is making this request. This would have stopped the Orlando killer.

                          Lets enforce existing laws then take steps for sensible additions to the laws regarding gun purchase.

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                          • #14
                            Re: What Happens After Cops Start Getting Shot?

                            Originally posted by vt View Post
                            Good points.

                            But there are laws against the mentally ill having guns. There are laws against criminal having guns. There are laws against domenstic abusers having guns. Let's enforce these laws first.

                            We do need to have pictures taken in gun shops of those inquiring about the purchase of guns. Anyone asking about body armor should be immediately identified, detained, and have authorities ask the perso why he is making this request. This would have stopped the Orlando killer.

                            Lets enforce existing laws then take steps for sensible additions to the laws regarding gun purchase.
                            vt, this thread produced at least one interesting aspect of this general problem. Guns are readily available today to anyone in the US, whether black, white, or striped, mentally ill or sane, a law-abiding citizen who wants to defend his or her home, family, and friends or a criminal who wants to attack those folks, and so on. Some of the most vociferous advocates for this ready access seem to assume that only they have this access, that the "other" will come to the gunfight armed only with a knife. They seem surprised that others are also able to equip themselves with expensive, high-end munitions. Do they really think that the right to bear arms, as they interpret it, applies only to themselves?!

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                            • #15
                              Re: What Happens After Cops Start Getting Shot?

                              Of course not. I agree with what you said.

                              The right to bear is to protect the citizens from tyrannical governments. Twice in the last century we saw the reasons.

                              Hitler confiscated guns. Millions died.

                              Stalin and Mao confiscated guns. Tens of millions died.

                              Chicago already has the toughest guns laws. Who still has guns there to kill?

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