Hell Freezes Over

[astonas]

Re: Hell Freezes Over

I invite you to study Information Theory, which predicts quite well the actual behaviour of communications systems. The BER is always, everywhere, and at all times greater than zero. Once you understand this fact and its consequences for the viability of any macro evolutionary theory, you might want to reconsider your position. Of course, you can continue to believe in any particular macro evolutionary theory you like since in this country we still have freedom of religion. Have a good day.

What is this nonsense?! Of course the BER is always greater than 0! Not only is that not a refutation of evolution, that is actually the mechanism by which evolution works! Your argument is actually one that supports evolution, though that doesn't appear to be clear in the above quote.

The "errors" (mutations) are winnowed by NON-random means (survival testing), to produce increasing complexity. In other words, MORE information gets added, iteratively. This too, is supported by tremendous amounts of scientific evidence.

There simply is no conflict between information theory and evolution. Claiming such a contradiction is evidence that one doesn't understand either one field, or the other, at all.

[jk]

Re: Hell Freezes Over

What is this nonsense?! Of course the BER is always greater than 0! Not only is that not a refutation of evolution, that is actually the mechanism by which evolution works! Your argument is actually one that supports evolution, though that doesn't appear to be clear in the above quote.

The "errors" (mutations) are winnowed by NON-random means (survival testing), to produce increasing complexity. In other words, MORE information gets added, iteratively. This too, is supported by tremendous amounts of scientific evidence.

There simply is no conflict between information theory and evolution. Claiming such a contradiction is evidence that one doesn't understand either one field, or the other, at all.

+1

let me recommend one of my favorite books:

Energy Flow in Biology

by Harold J. Morowitz

a study of non-equilibrium thermodynamics, " The flow of energy through a system acts to organize that system." i.e. energy flow through a system acts to add complexity to that system. [of course the second law of thermodynamics still applies, and entropy increases over the broader, encompassing picture.]

[shiny!]

Re: Hell Freezes Over

Well as usual, I know what the words mean but have no idea what people are saying. I love iTulip!

[gwynedd1]

Re: Hell Freezes Over

Words have been failing me more frequently so...





http://www.latimes.com/business/hilt...htmlstory.html

[gwynedd1]

Re: Hell Freezes Over

removed dup

[thriftyandboringinohio]

Re: Hell Freezes Over

Words have been failing me more frequently so...





http://www.latimes.com/business/hilt...htmlstory.html

Great find, gwynedd1.
That leaves little room for argument about what has actually happened.

[GRG55]

Re: Hell Freezes Over

Great find, gwynedd1.
That leaves little room for argument about what has actually happened.

Entropy?