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    Opec pleads for Russian alliance to smash oil speculators

    "Tough times requires tough choices. It is crucial that all major producers sit down and come up with a solution," said Opec chief al-Badri




    Russian oil boss said Opec's failed policies had set off a stampede of wild animals








    By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, Mehreen Khan

    7:45PM GMT 25 Jan 2016
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    The Opec oil cartel has issued its strongest plea to date for a pact with Russia and rival producers to cut crude output and halt the collapse in prices, warning that the deepening investment slump is storing up serious trouble for the future.


    Abdullah al-Badri, Opec’s secretary-general, said the cartel is ready to embrace rivals and thrash out a compromise following the 72pc crash in prices since mid-2014.


    "Tough times requires tough choices. It is crucial that all major producers sit down and come up with a solution," he told a Chatham House conference in London.


    Mr al-Badri said the world needs an investment blitz of $10 trillion to replace depleting oil fields and to meet extra demand of 17m barrels per day (b/d) by 2040, yet projects are being shelved at an alarming rate. A study by IHS found that investment for the years from 2015 to 2020 has been slashed by $1.8 trillion, compared to what was planned in 2014.

    Abdalla El-Badri, OPEC secretary-general, speaks at Chatham House in London

    Mr al-Badri warned that the current glut is setting the stage for a future supply shock, with prices lurching from one extreme to another in a deranged market that is in the interests of nobody but speculators. "It is vital that the market addresses the stock overhang,” he said.
    Leonid Fedun, vice-president of Russia’s oil group Lukoil, said Opec policy had set off a stampede, comparing it to a “herd of animals rushing to escape a fire”.

    He called on the Kremlin to craft a political deal with the cartel to overcome the glut. “It is better to sell a barrel of oil at $50 than two barrels at $30,” he told Tass.

    This is a significant shift in thinking. It has long been argued that Russian companies cannot join forces with Opec since the Siberian weather makes it hard to switch output on and off, and because these listed firms are supposedly answerable to shareholders, not the Kremlin.

    Mr Fedun said Opec will be forced to cut output anyway. “This could happen in May or in the summer. After that we will see a rapid recovery,” he said.
    • Oil price crash: rout reaches $27 as Opec warns US shale will be forced to relent
    He accused the cartel of incompetence. “When Opec launched the price war, they expected US companies to go under very quickly. They discovered that 50pc of the US production was hedged,” he said.

    Mr Fedun said these contracts acted as a subsidy worth $150m a day for the industry though the course of 2015.

    “With this support shale producers were able to avoid collapse,” he said.

    The hedges are now expiring fast, and will cover just 11pc of output this year. Iraq’s premier, Haider al-Abadi, was overheard in Davos asking US oil experts exactly when the contracts would run out, a sign of how large this issue now looms in the mind of Opec leaders.

    Mr Fedun said 500 US shale companies face a “meat-grinder” over coming months, leaving two or three dozen “professionals”.

    Claudio Descalzi, head of Italy’s oil group Eni, said Opec has stopped playing the role of “regulator” for crude, leaving markets in the grip of financial forces trading “paper barrels” that outnumber actual barrels of oil by a ratio of 80:1.

    The paradox of the current slump is that global spare capacity is at wafer-thin levels of 2pc as Saudi Arabia pumps at will, leaving the market acutely vulnerable to any future supply-shock. “In the 1980s it was around 30pc; 10 years ago it was 8pc,” said Mr Descalzi.

    Barclays said the capitulation over recent weeks is much like the mood in early 1999, the last time leading analysts said the world was “drowning in oil”. It proved to be exact bottom of the cycle. Prices jumped 50pc over the next twenty days, the start of a 12-year bull market.

    Mr Norrish said excess output peaked in the last quarter of 2015 at 2.1m b/d. The over-supply will narrow to 1.2m b/d in the first quarter as of this year as a string of Opec and non-Opec reach “pain points”, despite the return of Iranian crude after the lifting of sanctions.

    By the end of this year there may be a “small deficit”. By then the world will need all of Opec’s 32m b/d supply to meet growing demand, although it will take a long time to whittle down record stocks.

    Mr Norrish said the oil market faces powerful headwinds. US shale has emerged as a swing producer and will crank up output “quite quickly” once prices rebound.

    Global climate accords have changed the rules of the game and electric vehicles are breaking onto the scene.
    Unhedged short positions are huge so there is certainly the potential for a steep move up in prices at some point
    Barclays





    Yet the underlying market is tighter than in 1999, when there was ample spare capacity, the geopolitical risks are much greater in a Middle East torn by a Sunni-Shia battle for dominance.

    Barclays said extreme positioning on the derivatives markets has prepared the ground for a short squeeze. “Unhedged short positions held by speculators are huge so there is certainly the potential for a steep move up in prices at some point,” it said.

    JP Morgan said the overhang of record short contracts could cause US crude prices to snap back toward $40 very quickly if sentiment shifts.

    The mood is already turning: net inflows into ‘long oil’ exchange traded funds (EFTs) have been running at $500m a week in January.

    Saleh Al-Sada, Qatar's energy minister, told Chatham House that it is still too early to call the bottom of the market. "We will go through one more downturn cycle, but we will recover. Today's oil price is not sustainable whatsoever," he said.

    Mr Al-Sada warned that the gas industry will soon go through its own version of this trauma. Australia, Angola, and the US are all poised to flood the world with liquefied natural gas this year. Another domino teeters.

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    Re: OPEC throws in the towel?

    Very interesting. Thanks Mega. Sounds like producers are really starting to feel the pinch now. I'd love to invest in oil at these levels. Commodities is the only asset class i feel even remotely comfortable putting money in, because they're the only things that aren't ridiculously overvalued in todays markets. My only concern is that oil could still go down by 30 - 50% before rebounding back up to $50 or so. i feel like waiting until i see some sustained recovery and some efforts on the part of producers to curtail some production before jumping in on that trade
    Last edited by verdo; January 25, 2016, 05:11 PM.


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    • #3
      Re: OPEC throws in the towel?

      My thoughts:-

      1. Russia now in the driving seat
      2. Saudi now in BIG troubles....might be forced to STOP surporting ISIS
      3. Fracking to return in 2018
      4. Deep water projects DEAD for the next 15 years.
      5. North Sea to die off over the next 7 years.....

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        Re: OPEC throws in the towel?

        Originally posted by Mega View Post
        My thoughts:-

        1. Russia now in the driving seat
        2. Saudi now in BIG troubles....might be forced to STOP surporting ISIS
        3. Fracking to return in 2018
        4. Deep water projects DEAD for the next 15 years.
        5. North Sea to die off over the next 7 years.....
        1. Russia in a heap of trouble at these oil prices. Putin getting desperate, hence the warmongering like the USA and Europe always do when their leaders are in trouble with the population. Distract them from the home country problems by starting a foreign war. Same old, same old.

        2. Saudi won't back down from the fight with Iran and the Shia. Everything else will go first before that goes. The survival of the regime depends on it, and it will only stop if the regime is toppled.

        3. Fracking isn't stop-start; there's still wells being drilled, completed and put on production. Just a lot less than before. As the price of the commodities recovers the activity will ramp up slowly. Don't expect it to ever return to the frenzy we just ended however. There won't be enough capital coming from Wall Street for that to happen anytime soon.

        4. Yep; ten years at least.

        5. Never say never...

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          Re: OPEC throws in the towel?

          Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
          2. Saudi won't back down from the fight with Iran and the Shia. Everything else will go first before that goes. The survival of the regime depends on it, and it will only stop if the regime is toppled.
          I agree with this, but I'm starting to doubt if they are targeting the Iranians directly this time, they are probably are trying to bring down the "Iranian supporting" Democrats. Can we call this a regime change?


          Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
          1. Russia in a heap of trouble at these oil prices. Putin getting desperate, hence the warmongering like the USA and Europe always do when their leaders are in trouble with the population. Distract them from the home country problems by starting a foreign war. Same old, same old.
          I wouldn't worry about Russia. It's like you wouldn't worry for Winston Churchill when Briton is under siege and the economy is collapsing.

          Low oil prices is a good opportunity for Russia to diversify into technology and engineering which they are good at.

          However, I worry about Saudi Arabia, the country didn't exist 100 years ago and the likelihood it will exist for another 50 years is low because oil will be gone by then. They are definitely in a very much weaker position as compared to the Persians.
          Last edited by touchring; January 26, 2016, 09:24 PM.

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            Re: OPEC throws in the towel?

            Originally posted by touchring View Post
            ...I wouldn't worry about Russia. It's like you wouldn't worry for Winston Churchill when Briton is under siege and the economy is collapsing.

            Low oil prices is a good opportunity for Russia to diversify into technology and engineering which they are good at.

            However, I worry about Saudi Arabia, the country didn't exist 100 years ago and the likelihood it will exist for another 50 years is low because oil will be gone by then. They are definitely in a very much weaker position as compared to the Persians.
            I don't spend any time "worrying" about Russia. It will eventually collapse on its own once again. As for technology and engineering, no argument. They are very skilled. But their moribund economic system of favouring the "inner circle" oligarchs, will make it difficult to compete with next door China in those same sectors.

            Curious to understand the Churchillian equivalent of Ukraine?

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              Re: OPEC throws in the towel?

              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
              I don't spend any time "worrying" about Russia. It will eventually collapse on its own once again. As for technology and engineering, no argument. They are very skilled. But their moribund economic system of favouring the "inner circle" oligarchs, will make it difficult to compete with next door China in those same sectors.

              Curious to understand the Churchillian equivalent of Ukraine?

              Don't know about Ukraine, but from the little I know, their lives and economy is no better if not worst than in the previous government. When Oligarchs and Politicians fight over power and spoils of war (Bankers vs Russian oligarchs), the man on the street always suffer.

              http://www.wsj.com/articles/ukrainia...age-1449523458

              The Russian empire has already collapsed many years ago. Can't collapse twice.
              Last edited by touchring; January 27, 2016, 03:46 AM.

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                Re: OPEC throws in the towel?

                Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                I don't spend any time "worrying" about Russia. It will eventually collapse on its own once again. As for technology and engineering, no argument. They are very skilled. But their moribund economic system of favouring the "inner circle" oligarchs, will make it difficult to compete with next door China in those same sectors.

                Curious to understand the Churchillian equivalent of Ukraine?
                The Russian empire wasn't the Soviet empire and the Soviet empire isn't the Russian nation state.

                It can often look alike because its the same territory.

                http://www.standstillawhile.net/wp-c...cid_Empire.gif
                https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Empire-bg.png

                Those are not the same empire either.


                The early Soviets were anti-Russian. The latter Soviets were Russians who moved back up the ranks. The same thing occurred in China, the conquered absorb their conquerors. That is how the Varangian Rus became "Russians" with the native Slavs as well..

                http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...0.1991.9993696
                In April 1923 the Russian Communist Party formalized the policy of korenizatsiia (indigenization or nativization) in order to defuse the hostility it provoked among the large non‐Russian Soviet population during the Civil War. By promoting non‐Russians into leading positions in the party, the government, and the trade unions and by subsidizing the development of distinct national cultures in the USSR, the party sought to legitimate a predominantly Russian and urban‐based revolution in an overwhelmingly agricultural, multiethnic state. Shortly after introducing korenizatsiia, the party initiated a full‐scale industrialization programme. In the long run, the leaders of the Communist Party expected that industrialization would successfully integrate the diverse peoples of the Soviet Union into the socialist order. In practice, however, the social changes jumpstarted by rapid economic development strengthened ethnic assertiveness, even among party members. By the late 1920s the emergence of national communisms in the non‐Russian republics and regions threatened to delegitimate Soviet Russian control of the non‐Russian areas and to thwart the All‐Union industrialization effort. Stalin, not surprisingly, then emphasized order over legitimacy and redefined his claim to legitimacy by giving precedence to the Russians in the USSR.

                Its easy to miss but Stalin is the one who reversed this policy. It wasn't because of an ideology. That is the last thing Stalin was. It was a realpolitik to run an empire, not a multicultural workers paradise which he knew was a myth.

                Once Russians were legitimized by Stalin they took back their empire, and it ruined them a second time because of the scale of non Russians once again.

                Asia just isn't as simple as most Americans would imagine.
                Last edited by gwynedd1; January 27, 2016, 11:46 AM.

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                  Re: OPEC throws in the towel?

                  Originally posted by gwynedd1 View Post
                  Asia just isn't as simple as most Americans would imagine.

                  The situation in the US is even more complex than Asia.

                  The American government doesn't serve the interest of American citizens, nor does it even serve the interest of the USA. The power of the American government has been usurped to serve the interest of the bankers, their businesses and their associates in Europe.

                  While Russia doesn't pose a military threat to the US, a rising Russia and Putin in particular threatens the bankers' businesses and the interest of their associates in Europe, and hence must be brought down.
                  Last edited by touchring; January 30, 2016, 02:03 AM.

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                    Re: OPEC throws in the towel?

                    Originally posted by touchring View Post
                    The situation in the US is even more complex than Asia.

                    The American government doesn't serve the interest of American citizens, nor does it even serve the interest of the USA. The power of the American government has been usurped to serve the interest of the bankers, their businesses and their associates in Europe.

                    While Russia doesn't pose a military threat to the US, a rising Russia and Putin in particular threatens the bankers' businesses and the interest of their associates in Europe, and hence must be brought down.
                    The American public has a well deserved reputation for hyperactive belief in conspiracy theories (how many theories are there about JFK for example). When I read some of your recent posts, I have difficulty believing you aren't one of them.

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                      Re: OPEC throws in the towel?

                      Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                      The American public has a well deserved reputation for hyperactive belief in conspiracy theories (how many theories are there about JFK for example). When I read some of your recent posts, I have difficulty believing you aren't one of them.

                      Anything not endorsed by MSM is a conspiracy theory. Who controls the MSM? Governments and oligarchs.

                      By this definition, iTulip is an economic conspiracy theory community.

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                        Re: OPEC throws in the towel?

                        Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                        The American public has a well deserved reputation for hyperactive belief in conspiracy theories (how many theories are there about JFK for example). When I read some of your recent posts, I have difficulty believing you aren't one of them.
                        Snarl words aside, there are conspiracy theories, theories of conspiracy and actual conspiracies. And these things are forever emergent.

                        Sunday nights at 8PM on ABC when Inspector Lew Erskine and the gang would collar the most wanted, everybody knew the idea that a covert government program dedicated to surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting and disrupting domestic political organizations was a conspiracy theory.



                        The only people who believed that sort of stuff were a bunch of dirty, long-haired radicals looking to blame "The Man" for their personal failures. Any sane and respectable person knew J. Edgar Hoover would never do the things these freaks were claiming.

                        And then on Monday night when everybody was watching Frazier beat Ali, conspiracy theory became actual conspiracy in Media Pennsylvania with the exposure of the COINTELPRO project.



                        And you're right, there seem to be as many theories about JFK as there are theorists.

                        The bold-faced names among the conspiracy theorists have included the president who established the commission. Lyndon Johnson said in the final years of his life that he believed that the Warren Commission was wrong and that Cuban leader Fidel Castro was behind the assassination. Another surprising conspiracy theorist: the slain president’s brother, former attorney general Robert Kennedy, who publicly supported the Warren Report even as he told friends and family he was convinced that Castro, the Mafia or even some rogue element of the CIA was responsible for his brother’s death. Last year, Secretary of State John Kerry told a television interviewer that “to this day, I have serious doubts that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.”

                        "Meet the respectable JFK conspiracy theorists" Washington Post, September 19, 2014
                        There's even tape of Sen. Richard Russell (whom scholars now call "the first dissenter") and LBJ sharing their doubts about the Commission's major conclusion:

                        Richard Russell: No, no. They're trying to prove that the same bullet that hit Kennedy first was the one that hit Connally, went through him and through his hand, his bone, and into his leg... I couldn't hear all the evidence and cross examine all of them. But I did read the record.... I was the only fellow there that ... suggested any change whatever in what the staff got up.' This staff business always scares me. I like to put my own views down. But we got you a pretty good report.

                        Lyndon B. Johnson: Well, what difference does it make which bullet got Connally?


                        Richard Russell: Well, it don't make much difference. But they said that... the commission believes that the same bullet that hit Kennedy hit Connally. Well, I don't believe it.


                        Lyndon B. Johnson: I don't either.

                        Recorded telephone conversation between Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard Russell (18th September, 1964)
                        There are conspiracy theories that are plausible and those that are not. I think most people here are smart enough to know the difference. I tend not to be as trusting of official assurances, having lived long enough to see at least a dozen or more conspiracy theories once ridiculed emerge as historical fact:

                        Business Plot to overthrow FDR
                        Operations Condor, Damocles, Gladio, Mockingbird, Northwoods, MKULTRA
                        Watergate
                        Iran-Contra affair
                        The delay of Carter's efforts to release the Iranian hostages to negatively effect his efforts at reelection.
                        The sabotage of LBJ's peace initiatives to support Nixon's effort at election
                        The Sicilian Mafia
                        The Tuskegee syphilis experiment

                        And then of late there's the Snowden revelations, Wikileaks, and on and forever.
                        Last edited by Woodsman; January 31, 2016, 11:02 AM.

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                          Re: OPEC throws in the towel?

                          Originally posted by touchring View Post
                          The situation in the US is even more complex than Asia.

                          The American government doesn't serve the interest of American citizens, nor does it even serve the interest of the USA. The power of the American government has been usurped to serve the interest of the bankers, their businesses and their associates in Europe.

                          While Russia doesn't pose a military threat to the US, a rising Russia and Putin in particular threatens the bankers' businesses and the interest of their associates in Europe, and hence must be brought down.

                          Interesting that you would say that. Found an interesting article on this business, one that actually provides real insight into the rational self interest of another. Makes a comparison which can be applied to the international West and more provincial Russia:
                          Thucydides distinguished between Athens and Sparta by pointing out that Athens was close to the sea and had an excellent port, Piraeus. Sparta, on the other hand, was not a maritime power. Athens was much wealthier than Sparta. A maritime power can engage in international trade in a way that a landlocked power cannot.


                          Therefore, the Athenian is wealthy, but in that wealth there are two defects. First, wealth creates luxury and luxury corrupts. Second, wider experience in the world creates moral ambiguity.

                          Sparta enjoyed far less wealth than Athens. It was not built through trade but through hard labor. And thus, it did not know the world, but instead had a simple and robust sense of right and wrong.



                          http://www.businessinsider.com/10-ma...trategy-2016-1


                          The power and wealth of the US has caused there to be no credible enemy. Without an enemy, there is less of an evil and with it moral ambiguity. US citizens are of little value in such a scenario. We are like post Culloden Scots with a value less than sheep. The evil of England provided the entire moral basis and unity of Scotland....



                          Though again the most tragic historical mistake about Russia is its one of the finest examples of the instability of a dominant minority. The US has always been a dominant majority though its European melting pot model. We may soon enter the model of northern Asia if things go out of balance.
                          Last edited by gwynedd1; February 01, 2016, 12:53 PM.

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