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    German finance minister proposes EU-wide petrol tax to pay for refugee crisis

    Wolfgang Schaeuble gave no details on how high the extra levy on petrol should be, but said it would pay for costs such as securing Schengen's external borders

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    German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble, center, speaks with the media prior to a meeting of eurogroup finance ministers at the EU Council building in Brussels Photo: AP/Virginia Mayo







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    By Justin Huggler, Berlin

    3:29PM GMT 16 Jan 2016


    Germany’s finance minister has called for a new EU-wide tax on petrol to pay for the refugee crisis.

    Wolfgang Schäuble proposed the tax on petrol sales across the EU to pay for the costs of securing the Schengen Area’s external borders against a further influx of migrants.

    “Why shouldn’t we deal with this at a European level, if the task is so urgent?” said Mr Schäuble, “We need to secure the Schengen external borders now. We cannot fail to address this problem because of a lack of funds.”

    French Finance Minister Michel Sapin shakes hands with German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble (R) at the EU Finance Ministers meeting in Brussels Photo: EPA/LAURENT DUBRULE

    It was not clear whether the UK would be affected by the proposal, as it is not a member of the border-free Schengen Area.

    Even if it cannot secure EU-wide agreement, Germany was prepared to implement a tax with a “coalition of the willing”, Mr Schäuble told the Süddeutsche Zeitung newspaper.
    A mother warms the hands of her child at a tent in front of Berlin's main refugee office today
    If the EU cannot reach agreement on securing the external borders, Germany may be forced to close its own, the influential finance minister warned. Such a move could prove fatal to the Schengen Agreement.
    German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble, right, speaks with Slovakian Finance Minister Peter Kazimir during a meeting of eurogroup finance ministers at the EU Council building in Brussels Photo: AP/Virginia Mayo
    It would also leave countries such as Greece to deal with the huge numbers of arriving asylum-seekers without German assistance, Mr Schäuble warned.
    The finance minister’s intervention comes amid growing pressure on Angela Merkel’s government in the wake of the New Year sex attacks in Cologne.
    A second local authority has imposed restrictions on asylum-seekers using a public swimming pool, it has emerged.
    The town of Hermeskeil, in western Germany, has not gone as far as Bornheim, near Cologne, which made waves this week by imposing an outright ban on asylum-seekers after a series of alleged incidents of sexual harassment.
    Police arrest men around the main train station in Cologne Photo: Warren Allott/The Telegraph
    Instead the local authority is insisting asylum-seekers obtain a special pass to prove they understand pool etiquette in Germany. To get the pass, they must undergo a short interview.
    The restriction was imposed because asylum-seekers were breaking the pool’s rules by swimming in their underwear and jumping next to other swimmers.
    Meanwhile authorities in Bornheim have announced they will lift their ban on asylum-seekers next week. Rainer Schumann, a spokesman for the local council, said the ban was intended as “a signal women’s rights are untouchable”.
    Refugees warm themselves around a wood fire on Christmas Day in "The Jungle" in Calais Photo: EPA
    The restrictions are an indication of how attitudes to refugees are hardening in Germany.
    When a night club in the Bavarian town of Bad Holz started refusing entry to asylum-seekers last year, there was a public outcry.
    But in the wake of the Cologne attacks there have been reports of asylum-seekers being turned away by bouncers in other cities.
    Across the border in Austria, one bar has made headlines with an openly declared “No asylum-seekers” policy.

    Karin Siebrecht-Janisch, the owner of Charly's Bar in the town of Bad Ischl, said she imposed the ban after male asylum-seekers harassed her customers.
    An opinion poll published this week found for the first time a majority of Germans believe the country cannot cope with the refugee numbers it is facing.
    Sixty per cent now believe the numbers are unmanageable, up from just 46 per cent before the Cologne attacks, according to the poll for ZDF public television.
    The poll makes uncomfortable reading for Mrs Merkel: 56 per cent of those surveyed now believe she is doing a bad job of managing the refugee crisis.
    Only 39 per cent approve of her policy. Before the Cologne attacks opinion was evenly split.
    Mrs Merkel has pledged to reduce the number of refugees in the country “noticeably”, but so far she is struggling to deliver results with the EU still divided on securing the external borders.
    Her government is demanding Morocco and Algeria take back more of their citizens whose attempts to claim asylum in Germany have been rejected.
    Thousands of migrants have arrived from the two countries in the last six months, despite the fact they have little chance of being granted asylum.
    But German officials have complained Morocco and Algeria are blocking attempts to deport them.
    Of the 5,500 Moroccans, Algerians and Tunisians ordered to be deported in the first six months of 2015, only 53 were actually sent home, it has emerged.

  • #2
    Re: Their mess requires your MONEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Originally posted by Mega View Post
    German finance minister proposes EU-wide petrol tax to pay for refugee crisis
    America's Iraq war, the gift that just keeps on giving.

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      Re: Their mess requires your MONEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Originally posted by santafe2 View Post
      America's Iraq war, the gift that just keeps on giving.
      The Europeans don't get a free pass; I am sure you will recall their unseemly eagerness to mix it up in Libya and the blatant efforts they made to draw the USA & NATO into that idiotic move.
      Last edited by GRG55; January 16, 2016, 11:05 PM.

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        Re: Their mess requires your MONEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
        The Europeans don't get a free pass; I am sure you will recall their unseemly eagerness to mix it up in Libya and the blatant efforts they made to draw the USA & NATO into that idiotic move.
        European NATO countries, specifically France, Germany, and UK really own that one, with the US winning the Oscars for Best Supporting Actor/Actress.

        And as I posted years ago, Libya is the "easy one"(relative) in the region in terms of energy quantity/quality/proximity(value), and conflict demographics/topography(security/stability difficulty).

        And it's a complete disaster.

        An implosion or civil war in Saudi Arabia would be several orders of magnitude more destabilising to the region and the planet.

        Then the EU will REALLY begin to look like a Children of Men(with children) mixed with Clockwork Orange(or is that Green?) Bladerunneresque dystopia.

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          Re: Their mess requires your MONEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          Originally posted by lakedaemonian View Post
          European NATO countries, specifically France, Germany, and UK really own that one, with the US winning the Oscars for Best Supporting Actor/Actress.

          And as I posted years ago, Libya is the "easy one"(relative) in the region in terms of energy quantity/quality/proximity(value), and conflict demographics/topography(security/stability difficulty).

          And it's a complete disaster...
          No kidding. Difficult to blame that one on Bush and Cheney.

          http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...in-the-Sandbox


          Originally posted by lakedaemonian View Post
          ...An implosion or civil war in Saudi Arabia would be several orders of magnitude more destabilising to the region and the planet.

          Then the EU will REALLY begin to look like a Children of Men(with children) mixed with Clockwork Orange(or is that Green?) Bladerunneresque dystopia.
          If you are a Syrian family from just about anywhere in the country, your homeland must already feel like this.

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            Re: Their mess requires your MONEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            whatever the proceeds are used for, now is the perfect time to implement a carbon tax. i wish u.s. politics would allow it to happen.

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              Re: Their mess requires your MONEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
              The Europeans don't get a free pass; I am sure you will recall their unseemly eagerness to mix it up in Libya and the blatant efforts they made to draw the USA & NATO into that idiotic move.
              The US owns Iraq. Our then president was itching to find a way to take down Saddam from the moment the Supreme Court appointed him president. In his first security meeting he told Paul O'Neill, "Go find me a way to do this [take out Saddam]". Then 911 along with two years of lies regarding Iraq as a nuclear threat, (or nukular in the Bush idiom) and the Axis of Evil speech attempting to tie Iraq to 911.

              The Downing Street memo famously accused Bush and Cheney of "...scrambling to establish a link between Iraq and Al Qaida..." and calling it, "...so far frankly unconvincing…", "...a grudge between Bush and Saddam."

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                Re: Their mess requires your MONEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                Originally posted by santafe2 View Post
                The US owns Iraq. Our then president was itching to find a way to take down Saddam from the moment the Supreme Court appointed him president. In his first security meeting he told Paul O'Neill, "Go find me a way to do this [take out Saddam]". Then 911 along with two years of lies regarding Iraq as a nuclear threat, (or nukular in the Bush idiom) and the Axis of Evil speech attempting to tie Iraq to 911.

                The Downing Street memo famously accused Bush and Cheney of "...scrambling to establish a link between Iraq and Al Qaida..." and calling it, "...so far frankly unconvincing…", "...a grudge between Bush and Saddam."
                Anybody who watched Colin Powell's presentation to the UN Security Council on February 5, 2003, could see from his body language that he didn't believe much of the "evidence" of terrorist activity support and WMDs that Iraq was accused of. I am an engineer, not a student of human behaviour, and I was telling Mrs GRG55 as we were watching that Powell wasn't presenting with any conviction.

                Of course the dearth of WMDs after the fact only confirmed what was pretty obvious from that speech and Scott Ritter's assertions.

                Still doesn't give the Europeans a free pass.

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                  Re: Their mess requires your MONEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                  Originally posted by santafe2 View Post
                  The US owns Iraq.
                  I thought the US just paid the lease, but that Iran's name was on the property title?

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                    Re: Their mess requires your MONEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                    Anybody who watched Colin Powell's presentation to the UN Security Council on February 5, 2003, could see from his body language that he didn't believe much of the "evidence" of terrorist activity support and WMDs that Iraq was accused of. I am an engineer, not a student of human behaviour, and I was telling Mrs GRG55 as we were watching that Powell wasn't presenting with any conviction.

                    Of course the dearth of WMDs after the fact only confirmed what was pretty obvious from that speech and Scott Ritter's assertions.

                    Still doesn't give the Europeans a free pass.
                    Agreed.

                    I imagine Powell was thinking his personal credibility was being completely destroyed.

                    Scott Ritter's criminal convictions certainly didn't do much for his credibility either.

                    The funny thing about the WMDs is that there were WMD stories:

                    Op Viking Hammer preceeding the full invasion in the north interdicted some weapons, albeit not in the hands of Saddam's regime.

                    There has also been a very strange story(recent, including NYT coverage) of multiple incidents involving chemical/nerve agent complex IEDs.

                    Not that those incidents provide the WMD evidence, but that those incidents seem to have been comprehensively smothered.

                    I'm aware of one incident with a person of high credibility personally impacted by such an incident and the response is Catch 22 surreal.

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                      Re: Their mess requires your MONEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                      There were reports that Saddam, knowing the invasion was imminent, moved chemical and biological weapons to Syria. There are a number of other theories.
                      We do know that Syria has chemical weapons, but this does not prove they came from Iraq.

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WMD_co...vasion_of_Iraq

                      We'll likely not find out what really happened. Even if there were some weapons they were likely older and of little use. Iraq was a mistake regardless of what really happened.

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                        Re: Their mess requires your MONEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                        Originally posted by lakedaemonian View Post
                        I thought the US just paid the lease, but that Iran's name was on the property title?
                        Good point.

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