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  • #31
    Re: Is America Approaching A Golden Age Or A Deep Decline?

    There's also the issue of all these candidates pledging to cut the corporate tax rate in order to spur "competitiveness" and job creation, while failing to mention that there are so many loopholes in the tax code that the largest corporations pay no taxes at all, and even receive "rebates." While our 35% corporate tax rate looks awfully uncompetitive on paper, few companies actually pay that much.

    Report Calls Out 15 Fortune 500 Companies for Paying No Taxes

    By Dan Weil | Wednesday, 15 Apr 2015 06:20 AM

    As corporate earnings season begins in earnest, the advocacy group Citizens for Tax Justice has released a report detailing 15 Fortune 500 companies that don't pay any taxes.

    The list includes CBS, General Electric, Interpublic Group, JetBlue Airways, Mattel, Owens Corning, PG&E, Pepco Holdings, Priceline.com, Prudential Financial, Qualcomm, Ryder System, Time Warner, Weyerhaeuser and Xerox.

    As a whole, the 15 companies paid no federal income tax on $23 billion in profits in 2014, and they paid almost no federal income tax on $107 billion in profits during the past five years. All but two received federal tax rebates in 2014, and almost all paid exceedingly low rates over five years.

    For example, CBS had $1.8 billion in U.S. profits last year, and received a federal income tax rebate of $235 million, while Mattel, which has paid zero federal income taxes for the past five years, received a tax rebate of $46 million in 2014.


    "The scope of corporate tax avoidance spans a wide variety of economic sectors. Moreover, the tax breaks that have allowed these companies to be so successful in their tax avoidance are, by and large, perfectly legal, and often have been on the books for decades," the report states.

    So what's the solution?

    "A sensible starting point should be to critically assess the costs of each of these tax breaks and to take steps to ensure that profitable corporations pay their fair share of U.S. taxes," the study says.

    "The next step is just as important. The revenues raised from eliminating corporate tax subsidies should not be given right back to corporations in the form of tax-rate reductions, as corporate lobbyists and their allies inside the Washington Beltway preposterously argue."

    So where should this money go? "As the vast majority of Americans understand, these desperately needed revenues should be used to address our nation's fiscal problems and to make critically needed public investments in our nation's future," the report argues.

    As for GE, its decision to dump most of its GE Capital unit will cost it some juicy tax breaks. "GE has long used the financial operations of GE Capital to hold down its overall tax rate, a strategy that has allowed the conglomerate to pay taxes at a lower rate than its peers," writes Wall Street Journal reporter Ted Mann.

    "The impact has been significant enough that GE discusses it in its securities filings and was deterred for a long time from seriously considering a spinoff."

    But now GE reports that its effective tax rate could double to 20 percent or more going forward, putting the company in line with its competitors.

    Interestingly enough, analysts aren't quite sure how GE keeps its taxes so low in the first place. "It's a bit of a black box," said Deane Dray, an analyst at RBC Capital Markets, tells Mann.

    Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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    • #32
      Re: Is America Approaching A Golden Age Or A Deep Decline?

      Originally posted by Woodsman View Post
      I don't accept the premise that everyone wants to be a victim.
      Because it's complete BS. One in three black men in the US can expect to be in jail in their lifetime. The racists on iTulip see these men as want-to-be victims. And to make a horrible situation worse, these same white whiners cry about their white victimhood. It's disgusting. In the iTulip world, I'm free at last as I have all of them on ignore...I think. If not, they'll come out of the woodwork and I can ignore the remaining racists.

      Originally posted by Woodsman View Post
      Neither do I think there is some crisis in parenting, where children are never told they are wrong or that their behavior is unacceptable. It's a red herring, right wing bullshit intended to divert and distract.
      The crisis is in the right wing, Jesus will save us, Republican world. It's lily white and very, very old.

      Originally posted by Woodsman View Post
      Who exactly is attempting to enforce orthodoxy here at iTulip? Who fears diversity most of all? And just what is the right/left ratio of opinions here? 10:1 on the right (plus one "independent")?
      Um, read above.

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      • #33
        Re: Is America Approaching A Golden Age Or A Deep Decline?

        Originally posted by vt View Post
        DC certainly the Democrats are not racists. And it's not that I want the Republicans badly. There is just no choice in either party that makes sense.

        As you know I support an independent party that is socially moderate and fiscally pro TECI and anti FIRE.

        It is interesting that the "racist" Republicans strongly support a black and two Latinos. I wish Trump hadn't decided his brand needs a boost because he has poisoned the entire process. Hopefully he falls by the wayside soon.
        Yes there are a very small percentage of supporters who are true racists, just as a very small percentage of of democrat supporters that are anti-semitic.

        I favor Rubio because he is not as conservative as Cruz or Carson, plus he understands foreign policy and is not old like the Democrat field.

        I come from the working class so I understand the working man and woman.

        Which is worst?

        A racist or someone who wants prove to his or her own "self-esteem" that he or she is a not a racist by voting for a minority president regardless of whether that person can do the job.

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        • #34
          Re: Is America Approaching A Golden Age Or A Deep Decline?

          Originally posted by touchring View Post
          Which is worst?

          A racist or someone who wants prove to himself or herself that he or she is a not a racist by voting for a minority president.
          Easy, racists are awful. The worst of the worst sort of human. I despise them. Next question?

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          • #35
            Re: Is America Approaching A Golden Age Or A Deep Decline?

            Originally posted by touchring View Post
            Which is worst?

            A racist or someone who wants prove to his or her own "self-esteem" that he or she is a not a racist by voting for a minority president regardless of whether that person can do the job.
            +1
            and by this metric, we've seen just how DISASTROUS the 'self esteem' (or affirmative action) voting crowd's results have been.
            and which, BY ANY METRIC, the last 7 years have been a wipeout.

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            • #36
              Re: Is America Approaching A Golden Age Or A Deep Decline?

              Originally posted by lektrode View Post
              '...'self esteem' (or affirmative action) voting crowd
              Just say it, Lek. Say who you mean. Don't be afraid, let it rip. Tell us who the affirmative action voting crowd is? Who exactly are you talking about?

              Don't whistle, son. Sing the tune loud, so we can all hear the words.
              Last edited by Woodsman; November 12, 2015, 10:56 AM.

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              • #37
                Re: Is America Approaching A Golden Age Or A Deep Decline?

                Touchring, a racist - in the common understanding - is someone who holds malignant views and ideologies that seek to perpetuate and institutionalize practices justifying unequal distribution of rights and privileges among races and ethnicities considered to be alien to the majority cohort in possession of power and authority.

                You use the code words of a racist and might I say with fair amount of joy. You seem to evidence the perverse pride so often held by racists. So what does that make you?

                And if it turns out that you are - I haven't had enough interaction to make up my mind, if that matters to you - why is it that you people feel entitled to spread this malignancy and evil around here without being called out?

                Do you feel safe here using these code words? Do you think there are more like you here and that you can come together to overwhelm counter-voices?
                Last edited by Woodsman; November 12, 2015, 11:08 AM.

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                • #38
                  Re: Is America Approaching A Golden Age Or A Deep Decline?

                  Originally posted by shiny! View Post
                  There's also the issue of all these candidates pledging to cut the corporate tax rate in order to spur "competitiveness" and job creation, while failing to mention that there are so many loopholes in the tax code that the largest corporations pay no taxes at all, and even receive "rebates." While our 35% corporate tax rate looks awfully uncompetitive on paper, few companies actually pay that much.
                  Yup. In 2010, the effective rate averaged 12.6%.

                  The small biz argument is all a lie on this one too. Corporate tax only hits C-Corps. And nobody organizes as a C-Corp in the 2010s unless you're a big company listing on a major stock exchange or an idiot. Most small businesses I know, including the couple I've started, are LLCs. Small->mid with a few partners might be an S-Corp. Maybe LLPs for law firms and some doctors' offices. But corporate tax applies to none of these organizations. It only applies to the C-Corp.

                  And even then, even with a C-Corp, which is only really useful for going public with a large company with many shareholders, the rate is not just 35% on everything.

                  35% applies to profits over $10,000,000. The rate is 0% for losses. Then 15% for profits from $0-$50,000. Then 25% from $50,000 to $75,000. Etc. All of this is after deductions. And deductions are fairly easy to take. The brackets are screwed up, and have been since 2000 or so, but that's easy enough to fix, and nobody's proposing fixing it.

                  And like I said, all you have to do if you want to pay $0 in corporate tax as a small business is to incorporate as an LLC. Problem solved.

                  I suppose there probably are some small businesses out there that are legitimate and which are operating by raising equity in the OTC pink sheets as penny stocks, but I think that place is more for scams and scammers than real businesses these days.

                  The vast majority of small businesses aren't even incorporated. It's just a sole proprietor. That's 73.2% of them. 19.5% are incorporated. Of those, about 10% are LLCs and S-Corps. Meaning the corporate tax is effecting something like 4.5% of American small businesses.

                  That's it. Got those numbers from SBA.

                  And I'm willing to bet you dollars to donuts that those 4.5% of American small businesses are majority pump and dump scams.

                  The arguments against the corporate tax simply don't hold very much water at all when you dig more deeply into the issue.

                  The only one with any merit is that, "They'll do inversions and hide the money offshore!"

                  But if you ask me, that's nothing a strict law enforced by some US Marines can't solve incredibly quickly.

                  You just have to take the kid gloves off.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Is America Approaching A Golden Age Or A Deep Decline?

                    Radon, I like your style. Forgive me for seeming short, but this is boring the snot out of me and people are tired of seeing my words.

                    I terms of the experiences you related, I understand it as simple case of chickens coming home to roost, debts coming due and humans being human. That's what happens when you run the Stanford Prison Experiment and Milgram Experiment writ large as we seem to have over the past several decades.

                    IF:"You can create in the prisoners feelings of boredom, a sense of fear to some degree, you can create a notion of arbitrariness that their life is totally controlled by us, by the system, you, me, and they'll have no privacy ... We're going to take away their individuality in various ways. In general what all this leads to is a sense of powerlessness. That is, in this situation we'll have all the power and they'll have none."

                    THEN: "#8612 then began to act crazy, to scream, to curse, to go into a rage that seemed out of control. It took quite a while before we became convinced that he was really suffering and that we had to release him."

                    Zimbardo, Milgram, they had science as their proof, but it took a schoolteacher in Iowa to say it plain so everyone could understand. So what don't you understand?

                    --

                    If you were my child, I'd take you off the Internet for about a year and make phones and PCs as useful to you as bicycle is to a trout.

                    --

                    I don't know what "left-wing orthodoxy" is and I don't believe such a thing really exists in America. It might have once, but it seems to me there is no meaningful left in America to maintain an orthodoxy.

                    Where is this left? I want to talk to them and ask them what the hell they have been doing for the past 30+ years? Because while they were busy doing whatever it is they do, the right wing systematically murdered its leaders, eliminated their political base, turned the language of politics inside out, and made the Democratic and Republican parties into a pair of grotesques.

                    I see these people these right wingers want me to believe is "the left" but they don't look a thing like it to me.

                    ---

                    I don't take anything here personally or anywhere else. I try my best not to, but some people are just that good, know what I mean.

                    It's been a discipline of mine for decades now and has worked well for me. I stopped caring about what other people thought and just tried to figure out what it was I thought and why I did and was I right or stupid for thinking it.

                    And in the end it turned out that I just started to do what I wanted to do with the people I liked doing it with. A lot of people decided I was an asshole and others thought I was swell. You figure it out because I never could.

                    People's opinions of me and my ideas, good or ill, have nothing to do with me and is really none of my business anyway.

                    --

                    I react to racists the same way I do when I see a roach crawl across the floor. I think something is not quite clean enough around here. If I'm within reach, I stomp them.

                    But ultimately I fight racists and fascists because I love myself and am worthy of defending. Why don't you?

                    --

                    I hope for solidarity and would be grateful for friendship. I would settle for peace between us and I'm going work toward that end. I can't promise my tone will be perceived much differently but maybe you will have a better sense of intent and that will help.

                    But as for the racist elements here, you folks get no quarter and I expect nothing from you but an unfair fight.

                    Anytime, baby.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Is America Approaching A Golden Age Or A Deep Decline?

                      Why tax income at all? Why not a simple old fashioned property tax? If you want to add some progressiveness there could be a higher rate for luxury items. Capital and income are easily manipulated. Property harder to hide and difficult to move overseas. No more IRS. Fractional reserve is rolled back and banks become like any other business, and the process of asset inflation that leads to the disparity is immediately arrested.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Is America Approaching A Golden Age Or A Deep Decline?

                        Originally posted by Woodsman View Post
                        I hope for solidarity and would be grateful for friendship. I would settle for peace between us and I'm going work toward that end. I can't promise my tone will be perceived much differently but maybe you will have a better sense of intent and that will help.
                        I understand. You call it like you see it and I respect that. Cheers , and peace.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Is America Approaching A Golden Age Or A Deep Decline?

                          Originally posted by Woodsman View Post
                          Touchring, a racist - in the common understanding - is someone who holds malignant views and ideologies that seek to perpetuate and institutionalize practices justifying unequal distribution of rights and privileges among races and ethnicities considered to be alien to the majority cohort in possession of power and authority.

                          Actually, the key point of my post is not about race, but rather self-esteem motivated voting, if you read behind the words.

                          The same could also be applied to voting for a female vs male candidate. The female candidate will have edge here because women are suppose to have "equal rights"?
                          Last edited by touchring; November 12, 2015, 09:27 PM.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Is America Approaching A Golden Age Or A Deep Decline?

                            re: "racist" You only need to look at the maps of where people lay their head at night.

                            http://demographics.coopercenter.org/DotMap/index.html

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                            • #44
                              Re: Is America Approaching A Golden Age Or A Deep Decline?

                              Racism is terrible and racist speech is hate speech. But calling someone a racist without any proof is also hate speech.

                              Again I ask those who say there are racists on iTulip. Identify them and show proof from posts. That or retract the statements and apologize.

                              False accusations poison this forum.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Is America Approaching A Golden Age Or A Deep Decline?

                                re: "without any proof" We all now live in theColiseum of pubic opinion thanks to the internet. The power of thumbs up and down of Caesar is now given to the people.How about the "safe space" of your neighborhood? Well it is now mapped on Google. Even a fool like me can see, imagine those who now look to weaponize even the idea of your "safe space"?

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