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    Russia flirts with Saudi Arabia as OPEC pain deepens

    Kremlin energy tsar says OPEC may have to ditch its low-price policy within months. But Russia needs to cut output quietly too

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    The OPEC oil cartel cannot withstand the pain of low crude prices indefinitely and may be forced to abandon its pugnacious bid for market share within months, Russia's chief energy official has predicted.


    Arkady Dvorkovich, the deputy prime minister, said OPEC producers are suffering the ricochet effects of their attempt to flush out rivals by flooding the world with excess output.


    "I don't think they really want to live with low oil prices for a long time. At some point it is likely that are going to have to change policy. They can last a few months, to a couple of years," he told The Telegraph.


    Saudi Arabia took a fateful decision last November to crank up production to record levels despite a glut of 1-2m barrels a day (b\d) accumulating in global markets, hoping to halt the advance of US shale and kill off high-cost projects in the Arctic and deep off-shore waters.

    Workers adjust a valve of an oil pipe as smoke rises from burning excess gas in Zubair oilfield in Basra Photo: REUTERS


    Riyadh has made it clear that it will not cut output to shore up prices unless non-OPEC producers share of the burden. This essentially means Russia, the world's biggest producer.

    Mr Dvorkovich, the head of Russia's economic and energy strategy, said his country was in constant talks with OPEC in order to bring about a "more rational policy" but was coy on whether the Kremlin would break the impasse and strike a deal with the Saudis.

    "Our consultations do not imply directly that we are going to see any coordinated action. Perhaps 'yes', perhaps 'no', most likely 'no'," he said, speaking at the Ambrosetti forum of world policy-makers on Lake Como. "We are sending signals to each other."

    Russia insists that it cannot switch off output as easily as the Saudis, given the harsh weather in the Siberian fields, a claim dismissed by OPEC as a negotiating ploy.

    Nor can the Kremlin order Russian drillers to slash production without under-cutting its insistence that these oil groups are genuine companies, answerable to their shareholders. Yet there are subtle ways of achieving the same outcome.
    The Kremlin, Moscow Photo: CORBIS

    The head of Russia's oil giant Rosneft, Igor Sechin, has been the right-hand man of president Vladimir Putin for more than twenty years. The company is 70pc state-owned. "If Putin wants to cut, of course he can do it. Everybody knows that, " said one OPEC veteran.

    Mr Dvorkovich hinted that output cuts could be on the way. "We are not going to cut supply artificially. Oil companies will act on their own. They will look at market forces and decide whether to invest more or less," he said.

    "If prices stay low it is in the nature of oil companies to stabilise production, or even to cut production. The government will not decide on the behalf of oil companies what to do," he said.
    Adnan Shihab-Eldin, the former secretary-general of OPEC, said the oil cartel is in "bad shape" and may have to rethink its current strategy. "Can OPEC really afford to the policy started in November of letting the market determine prices," said at the Ambrosetti forum.

    Mr Shihab-Eldin said US shale drillers have proved remarkably resilient, slashing costs from $70 a barrel to nearer $50 through new technology and a switch to higher-yielding "sweet spots". The rig-count has halved but production has hardly fallen.

    He said OPEC will make a hard-headed decision over how best to extract maximum revenue, ditching its current policy if it does not pay. "Keeping market share at any price is not an ideology for OPEC," he said.

    Russia is in deep crisis. The economy has contracted by 4.6pc over the last year. The rouble has halved against the dollar since mid-2014, falling pari passu with the price of Brent crude. While this provides a shock-absorber of sorts, it makes life much harder for Russian firms struggling to repay $12-15bn a quarter in external dollar debt.

    These companies are largely shut out of global capital markets by Western sanctions, forcing them to rely heavily on the Russian state for dollar liquidity. Yet the central bank is trying to conserve its foreign reserves. The treasury itself failed to sell all its bonds at an auction last month.

    Russia's strategic embrace with China has so far failed to produce much beyond warm words. A $400bn gas deal signed in May 2014 has run into trouble as the Chinese haggle hard over prices and stall on $55bn of financing for the construction projects. Hopes for a second pipeline to China from West Siberia have come to little.

    An informal 'super-OPEC' with Russia would control roughly 45pc of the global oil market, roughly equal to OPEC's glory days in the 1970s. Industry experts say the Saudis might consider a deal if Russia offered a gentleman's agreement to trim its 10.7m b\d output by 500,000.

    Eventually, this may happen by default. The main Russian wells in Western Siberia are Soviet vintage and depleting at a rate of 8-11pc a year. Sanctions have paralyzed new investments in the Arctic and the Bazhenov shale basin.

    Saudi Arabia is also in some trouble, and lacks Russia's industrial depth and strategic strengths. Riyadh's foreign reserves have fallen to $661bn from $737bn over the last eleven months.
    The Saudis still have an ample cushion but are running a budget deficit of 20pc of GDP to cover their social welfare spending and military expansion. They must either drain reserves at a pace of $12bn a month, or issue debt.

    One foreign policy veteran said it is mystifying what the Saudis really intend to do under the new regime of King Salman. "They have gone from being the most predictable of countries, to the most unpredictable," he said.

    The Russians and the Saudis have powerful reasons to co-operate on energy policies. Until now they have been on opposing sides in Syria, poisoning everything. This may be changing. King Salman has been invited to visit Moscow as the thaw in relations deepens.

    Mr Putin is building up Russia's troop presence in Syria but he has also sent shockwaves through Damascus by backing some form of "power-sharing" in the country, a sign that Bashar al-Assad's days may be numbered.

    The contours of a realpolitik entente between Saudi Arabia and Russia are emerging, with major implications for the global oil markets and the world economy.

    Mr Dvorkovich said the Kremlin would stand behind its long-standing ally for now. "There are many people who still support Assad, We're not going to put anyone aside, accept the terrorists," he said.

  • #2
    Re: Oil going back up?

    I will post a more detailed response later when time permits, but the short answer is that at this time in world history OPEC/Saudi and Russia do not have any practical ability to influence prices on a sustainable basis to the upside.

    They only have the ability to influence prices to the downside, and that only when Saudi has a bit of surplus production behind pipe that it can ramp up to "shock" other OPEC members and oil traders.

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      Re: Oil going back up?

      Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
      I will post a more detailed response later when time permits, but the short answer is that at this time in world history OPEC/Saudi and Russia do not have any practical ability to influence prices on a sustainable basis to the upside.

      They only have the ability to influence prices to the downside, and that only when Saudi has a bit of surplus production behind pipe that it can ramp up to "shock" other OPEC members and oil traders.

      Hi GRG55, what's your opinion on the shorter lifespan of shale oil wells?

      A lot of talk on this before the oil price crash....

      There is also speculation that the US will approve the keystone pipeline after Obama leaves office. In an unexpected turn, Warren Buffett is now supporting the pipeline, which is strange as the pipeline competes with his railway business.

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        Wind power is now the cheapest electricity to produce in both Germany and the U.K., even without government subsidies, according to a new analysis by Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF). It's the first time that threshold has been crossed by a G7 economy.1
        But that's less interesting than what just happened in the U.S.
        To appreciate what's going on there, you need to understand the capacity factor. That's the percentage of a power plant's maximum potential that's actually achieved over time.
        Consider a solar project. The sun doesn't shine at night and, even during the day, varies in brightness with the weather and the seasons. So a project that can crank out 100 megawatt hours of electricity during the sunniest part of the day might produce just 20 percent of that when averaged out over a year. That gives it a 20 percent capacity factor.
        One of the major strengths of fossil fuel power plants is that they can command very high and predictable capacity factors. The average U.S. natural gas plant, for example, might produce about 70 percent of its potential (falling short of 100 percent because of seasonal demand and maintenance). But that's what's changing, and it's a big deal.
        For the first time, widespread adoption of renewables is effectively lowering the capacity factor for fossil fuels. That's because once a solar or wind project is built, the marginal cost of the electricity it produces is pretty much zero—free electricity—while coal and gas plants require more fuel for every new watt produced. If you're a power company with a choice, you choose the free stuff every time.
        It’s a self-reinforcing cycle. As more renewables are installed, coal and natural gas plants are used less. As coal and gas are used less, the cost of using them to generate electricity goes up. As the cost of coal and gas power rises, more renewables will be installed.
        The virtuous cycle has begun.


        Source: Bloomberg
        Wind and solar have long made up a small fraction of U.S. electricity—about 5 percent in 2014. But production has been rising at an exponential rate, and those two energy sources are now big enough to influence when coal and natural gas plants are kept running, according to BNEF.2
        There are two reasons this shift in capacity factors is important. First, it's yet another sign of the rising disruptive force of renewable energy in power markets. It's impossible to brush aside renewables in the U.S. in the same way it might have been just a few years ago. "Renewables are really becoming cost-competitive, and they're competing more directly with fossil fuels," said BNEF analyst Luke Mills. "We're seeing the utilization rate of fossil fuels wear away."
        Second, the shift illustrates a serious new risk for power companies planning to invest in coal or natural-gas plants. Historically, a high capacity factor has been a fixed input in the cost calculation. But now anyone contemplating a billion-dollar power plant with an anticipated lifespan of decades must consider the possibility that as time goes on, the plant will be used less than when its doors first open.
        Capacity Factors Take a Sharp Turn3


        Source: Bloomberg, Data: BNEF
        Most of the decline in capacity factors is due to expensive "base-load plants that are being turned on less because of renewables," according to BNEF analyst Jacqueline Lilinshtein. Plants designed to come online only during the highest demand of the year, known as peaker plants, play a smaller role. In either case, the end result is that coal-fired and gas-fired electricity is becoming more expensive and the profits less predictable.
        The opposite is true of wind and solar, as well as new battery systems that can be paired with renewables to replace some peaker plants. Wind power, including U.S. subsidies, became the cheapest electricity in the U.S. for the first time last year4, according to BNEF. Solar power is a bit further behind, but the costs are dropping rapidly, especially those associated with financing a new project.
        Latest Solar Costs by State


        Source: BNEF, Annotated by Bloomberg
        The economic advantages of wind and solar over fossil fuels go beyond price.5 Still, it's remarkable that in every major region of the world, the lifetime cost of new coal and gas projects6 are rising considerably in the second half of 2015, according to BNEF. And in every major region the cost of renewables continues to fall.

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          Not too long ago, a post like that would have been generated responses saying wind and solar are an eco-finance boondoggle, impossible to integrate on a large scale with the grid, etc. etc. Are we past that now?

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            GR:

            What effect, if any, will China's topping out its SPR have on global pricing?

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              Re: Oil going back up?

              Great call from Mega. Sept's the bottom.


              Originally posted by Mega View Post
              Russia flirts with Saudi Arabia as OPEC pain deepens

              Kremlin energy tsar says OPEC may have to ditch its low-price policy within months. But Russia needs to cut output quietly too

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              By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, Cernobbio, Italy

              3:15PM BST 06 Sep 2015
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              The OPEC oil cartel cannot withstand the pain of low crude prices indefinitely and may be forced to abandon its pugnacious bid for market share within months, Russia's chief energy official has predicted.


              Arkady Dvorkovich, the deputy prime minister, said OPEC producers are suffering the ricochet effects of their attempt to flush out rivals by flooding the world with excess output.


              "I don't think they really want to live with low oil prices for a long time. At some point it is likely that are going to have to change policy. They can last a few months, to a couple of years," he told The Telegraph.


              Saudi Arabia took a fateful decision last November to crank up production to record levels despite a glut of 1-2m barrels a day (b\d) accumulating in global markets, hoping to halt the advance of US shale and kill off high-cost projects in the Arctic and deep off-shore waters.

              Workers adjust a valve of an oil pipe as smoke rises from burning excess gas in Zubair oilfield in Basra Photo: REUTERS


              Riyadh has made it clear that it will not cut output to shore up prices unless non-OPEC producers share of the burden. This essentially means Russia, the world's biggest producer.

              Mr Dvorkovich, the head of Russia's economic and energy strategy, said his country was in constant talks with OPEC in order to bring about a "more rational policy" but was coy on whether the Kremlin would break the impasse and strike a deal with the Saudis.

              "Our consultations do not imply directly that we are going to see any coordinated action. Perhaps 'yes', perhaps 'no', most likely 'no'," he said, speaking at the Ambrosetti forum of world policy-makers on Lake Como. "We are sending signals to each other."

              Russia insists that it cannot switch off output as easily as the Saudis, given the harsh weather in the Siberian fields, a claim dismissed by OPEC as a negotiating ploy.

              Nor can the Kremlin order Russian drillers to slash production without under-cutting its insistence that these oil groups are genuine companies, answerable to their shareholders. Yet there are subtle ways of achieving the same outcome.
              The Kremlin, Moscow Photo: CORBIS

              The head of Russia's oil giant Rosneft, Igor Sechin, has been the right-hand man of president Vladimir Putin for more than twenty years. The company is 70pc state-owned. "If Putin wants to cut, of course he can do it. Everybody knows that, " said one OPEC veteran.

              Mr Dvorkovich hinted that output cuts could be on the way. "We are not going to cut supply artificially. Oil companies will act on their own. They will look at market forces and decide whether to invest more or less," he said.

              "If prices stay low it is in the nature of oil companies to stabilise production, or even to cut production. The government will not decide on the behalf of oil companies what to do," he said.
              Adnan Shihab-Eldin, the former secretary-general of OPEC, said the oil cartel is in "bad shape" and may have to rethink its current strategy. "Can OPEC really afford to the policy started in November of letting the market determine prices," said at the Ambrosetti forum.

              Mr Shihab-Eldin said US shale drillers have proved remarkably resilient, slashing costs from $70 a barrel to nearer $50 through new technology and a switch to higher-yielding "sweet spots". The rig-count has halved but production has hardly fallen.

              He said OPEC will make a hard-headed decision over how best to extract maximum revenue, ditching its current policy if it does not pay. "Keeping market share at any price is not an ideology for OPEC," he said.

              Russia is in deep crisis. The economy has contracted by 4.6pc over the last year. The rouble has halved against the dollar since mid-2014, falling pari passu with the price of Brent crude. While this provides a shock-absorber of sorts, it makes life much harder for Russian firms struggling to repay $12-15bn a quarter in external dollar debt.

              These companies are largely shut out of global capital markets by Western sanctions, forcing them to rely heavily on the Russian state for dollar liquidity. Yet the central bank is trying to conserve its foreign reserves. The treasury itself failed to sell all its bonds at an auction last month.

              Russia's strategic embrace with China has so far failed to produce much beyond warm words. A $400bn gas deal signed in May 2014 has run into trouble as the Chinese haggle hard over prices and stall on $55bn of financing for the construction projects. Hopes for a second pipeline to China from West Siberia have come to little.

              An informal 'super-OPEC' with Russia would control roughly 45pc of the global oil market, roughly equal to OPEC's glory days in the 1970s. Industry experts say the Saudis might consider a deal if Russia offered a gentleman's agreement to trim its 10.7m b\d output by 500,000.

              Eventually, this may happen by default. The main Russian wells in Western Siberia are Soviet vintage and depleting at a rate of 8-11pc a year. Sanctions have paralyzed new investments in the Arctic and the Bazhenov shale basin.

              Saudi Arabia is also in some trouble, and lacks Russia's industrial depth and strategic strengths. Riyadh's foreign reserves have fallen to $661bn from $737bn over the last eleven months.
              The Saudis still have an ample cushion but are running a budget deficit of 20pc of GDP to cover their social welfare spending and military expansion. They must either drain reserves at a pace of $12bn a month, or issue debt.

              One foreign policy veteran said it is mystifying what the Saudis really intend to do under the new regime of King Salman. "They have gone from being the most predictable of countries, to the most unpredictable," he said.

              The Russians and the Saudis have powerful reasons to co-operate on energy policies. Until now they have been on opposing sides in Syria, poisoning everything. This may be changing. King Salman has been invited to visit Moscow as the thaw in relations deepens.

              Mr Putin is building up Russia's troop presence in Syria but he has also sent shockwaves through Damascus by backing some form of "power-sharing" in the country, a sign that Bashar al-Assad's days may be numbered.

              The contours of a realpolitik entente between Saudi Arabia and Russia are emerging, with major implications for the global oil markets and the world economy.

              Mr Dvorkovich said the Kremlin would stand behind its long-standing ally for now. "There are many people who still support Assad, We're not going to put anyone aside, accept the terrorists," he said.

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                Still oversupplied.

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                Oil has been surging this week but Goldman Sachs is calling for gains to be short-lived.
                The front-month West Texas Intermediate futures contract enjoyed a double-digit advance in recent days, breaking above $50 per barrel on Thursday for the first time since July:

                Bloomberg
                "While this rally has occurred alongside a broader re-risking across assets after last week's U.S. non-farm payrolls release, the oil move has been larger, exacerbated by still large short positioning and the break of key technical levels," wrote Jeffrey Currie, head of commodities research at Goldman Sachs.
                Currie writes that we've seen this play before, pointing to the parabolic surge in oil prices in late August that occurred following the massive equity market selloff.
                The problem, according to Goldman, is that the fundamentals have not changed: in spite of the start of a roll-over in U.S. production, the market remains oversupplied. While the shale revolution was what provided the impetus for the plunge in oil prices seen over the past year, Currie claims that the oil glut is now being sustained by production outside the U.S.
                The U.S. dollar index has given back ground over the past two weeks amid growing confidence that the Federal Reserve will refrain from lifting interest rates in 2015. But Currie claims continued inaction from the central bank isn't necessarily a boon for crude prices; in fact, he contends that it would have the opposite effect.
                While "a Fed on hold could offer some reprieve to the emerging market rebalancing, this decision would ultimately be driven by weaker underlying activity, leaving risks to oil demand and our forecast skewed to the downside," he wrote. "Net, we expect this rally to reverse and reiterate our forecast for lower prices for longer."
                One month ago, Goldman's commodities team indicated that the price of crude could fall as low as $20 per barrel and stay at relatively depressed levels for up to a decade and a half.

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                  Originally posted by Southernguy View Post
                  o reverse and reiterate our forecast for lower prices for longer."
                  One month ago, Goldman's commodities team indicated that the price of crude could fall as low as $20 per barrel and stay at relatively depressed levels for up to a decade and a half.
                  So does this mean low gold prices for the next 15 years?

                  Edit: I don't think producers can afford to produce oil at $20 bbl, meaning at that price production would decline, supply would contract, shortages would drive prices up and then production would increase again.

                  Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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                    Re: Oil going back up?

                    EJ some time ago said oil possible in the 20ies. I am an atheist...everything possible.

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                      Originally posted by Southernguy View Post
                      EJ some time ago said oil possible in the 20ies. I am an atheist...everything possible.



                      The spot market is highly manipulated so any price is possible in the short term, however, whoever is manipulating is really naive because Putin is not bothered about short term oil price, and it may well produce the opposite effect because artificially low prices will cause supply to crash which will be followed by a violent rebound.

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                        Speaking of crude oil, attached is an interesting read.
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