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    After purging his uncle, aunt and all the other troublesome "adults", young 32 year old Kim can now finally play Commander-in-chief and try out his latest toys?




    http://www.koreaobserver.com/50-north-korean-submarines-away-from-base-45683/


    More than 50 North Korean submarines are apparently away from their bases for operations, a sign that the North is gearing up for combat while participating in high-level talks aimed at easing tension, an official here said Sunday.
    “Seventy percent of North Korea’s submarines left their bases, and their locations are not confirmed,” the South Korean military official told reporters.
    The North is known to have around 70 submarines.
    North Korea has also doubled the number of its artillery troops on the border, with the command to be combat-ready, according to South Korea’s military.
    The North’s conflicting signals underscored challenges in dealing with an unpredictable communist country, which has a track record of staging provocations against South Korea.
    Six South Korean fighter jets, deployed to take part in the Red Flag Alaska exercise, returned home Sunday ahead of schedule. The F-16s were initially scheduled to fly back to the country later this week.
    As planned, meanwhile, top government officials from the two Koreas resumed their talks at the truce village of Panmunjom.
    On Thursday, North Korea gave a 48-hour ultimatum for South Korea to end propaganda broadcasts along the heavily fortified border and dismantle all loudspeakers, saying it otherwise will launch “strong military action.”
    North Korea also warned Friday that it is prepared to engage in “all-out war.” The Pyongyang-set deadline for defusing the crisis passed without a military clash.
    Propaganda broadcasts have become a bone of contention between the two Koreas after South Korea resumed them earlier this month for the first time in 11 years.
    South Korea took the measure in retaliation against North Korea for a recent landmine attack that maimed two South Korean soldiers. South Korea accused the North of planting the mines inside the demilitarized zone that separates the two Koreas, a charge denied by North Korea.
    North Korea views the broadcastings critical of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un as an insult to its dignity. The isolated country is also concerned that an influx of outside information could pose a threat to Kim.
    Still, South Korea has vowed to continue the psychological warfare tactic.
    Tensions between the Koreas have risen dramatically since Thursday’s exchange of artillery fire.
    The North fired one artillery shell across the border Thursday afternoon before firing several more rounds later in apparent anger over South Korea’s resumption of the propaganda broadcasts. South Korea fired back dozens of shells.
    The North later claimed that it never started Thursday’s exchange of fire with the South and accused Seoul of fabricating the allegations that the communist nation fired first.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-warships.html


    North Korea deploys new generation of fast warships

    Very Slender Vessels designed to infiltrate saboteurs or agents into South Korea




    South Korea first learned that its neighbour was developing VSVs late last year when satellites caught images of early tests with the new technology in the East Sea






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    By Julian Ryall, Tokyo

    6:14AM BST 28 May 2015
    97 Comments


    North Korea has deployed a new generation of high-speed, radar-evading warship designed to infiltrate special forces into South Korean territory.

    The Very Slender Vessel sits low in the water and is designed to pierce waves instead of riding over them.

    Capable of travelling at nearly 60 mph, the craft are armed with heavy machine guns and torpedoes, with the JoongAng Ilbo quoting South Korean military officials as saying the ships pose a "new threat" to its security.



    South Korea first learned that its neighbour was developing VSVs late last year when satellites caught images of early tests with the new technology in the East Sea.

    Intelligence officials in Seoul now estimate that at least seven of the vessels have been put into service on the west coast of the peninsula, with one of the craft recently sighted off Yongmae Island.
    The island is just seven miles from the South's Yeonpyeong Island, which North Korean artillery batteries bombarded in November 2012, killing two civilian residents and two military personnel.




    Last edited by touchring; August 23, 2015, 08:18 PM.

  • #2
    Re: ‘More than 50 North Korean submarines away from bases for operations’

    So where do they get the money for this stuff?

    Anybody here recently buy a cell phone made in North Korea? Tablet? Imported fruit? Textiles? Shoes? Anything?

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    • #3
      Re: ‘More than 50 North Korean submarines away from bases for operations’

      Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
      So where do they get the money for this stuff?

      Anybody here recently buy a cell phone made in North Korea? Tablet? Imported fruit? Textiles? Shoes? Anything?
      dunno - maybe ask bezos, since it would appear he's intent on arbitraging everybody and everything...

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      • #4
        Re: ‘More than 50 North Korean submarines away from bases for operations’

        They have an historical link with China, just as the USA does with Israel.

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        • #5
          Re: ‘More than 50 North Korean submarines away from bases for operations’

          Originally posted by lektrode View Post
          dunno - maybe ask bezos, since it would appear he's intent on arbitraging everybody and everything...

          The most money is made from arbitraging. I buy my stuff from China, repackage it as a solution and mark it up 10 times.

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          • #6
            Re: ‘More than 50 North Korean submarines away from bases for operations’

            All this stuff is the sovereign state equivalent of the very rough narco subs captured in central-south America.

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            • #7
              Re: ‘More than 50 North Korean submarines away from bases for operations’

              Originally posted by DRumsfeld2000 View Post
              They have an historical link with China, just as the USA does with Israel.
              Or just like the US has with South Korea.

              Despite the de-escalation talks in the press, they sent the B-2s off to Guam tonight for the first time in a couple years.

              Kim Jong Un has few options now.

              NK made money three ways: By being an auxiliary coal mine for China, By printing counterfeit greenbacks, and by selling scuds and stuff to various places, but mostly trading arms and tech with Iran and Cuba.

              Well, now Cuba's got an American embassy. Iran and America have just about worked out a deal that should stop the NK arms trade. US has new $100 bills. And China upped its domestic coal production and has shrinking demand. Plus China is hurting a bit economically and even the Hail Mary call to Uncle Putin will be met with a sanctioned Russia without a lot of cash to spare. Plus there's a famine on. High level executions all over the place.

              NK is screwed. Big time. It might just be do or die over there.

              That regime has proved to be very resilient. But just about everything that could go wrong for NK is going wrong right now. The question now is how they react.

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              • #8
                Re: ‘More than 50 North Korean submarines away from bases for operations’

                Originally posted by dcarrigg View Post
                Or just like the US has with South Korea.

                Despite the de-escalation talks in the press, they sent the B-2s off to Guam tonight for the first time in a couple years.

                Kim Jong Un has few options now.

                NK made money three ways: By being an auxiliary coal mine for China, By printing counterfeit greenbacks, and by selling scuds and stuff to various places, but mostly trading arms and tech with Iran and Cuba.

                Well, now Cuba's got an American embassy. Iran and America have just about worked out a deal that should stop the NK arms trade. US has new $100 bills. And China upped its domestic coal production and has shrinking demand. Plus China is hurting a bit economically and even the Hail Mary call to Uncle Putin will be met with a sanctioned Russia without a lot of cash to spare. Plus there's a famine on. High level executions all over the place.

                NK is screwed. Big time. It might just be do or die over there.

                That regime has proved to be very resilient. But just about everything that could go wrong for NK is going wrong right now. The question now is how they react.

                They still have nukes to sell.

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                • #9
                  Re: ‘More than 50 North Korean submarines away from bases for operations’

                  Originally posted by touchring View Post
                  The most money is made from arbitraging. I buy my stuff from China, repackage it as a solution and mark it up 10 times.
                  I thought that was China's strategy. Buy the baby formula from Taiwan, dilute it 10:1 with domestic melamine and repackage it...

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                  • #10
                    Re: ‘More than 50 North Korean submarines away from bases for operations’

                    Originally posted by lakedaemonian View Post
                    All this stuff is the sovereign state equivalent of the very rough narco subs captured in central-south America.
                    Find 'em using satellites and drone 'em. If a few NK subs disappeared would NK admit it, and would anybody care?

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                    • #11
                      Re: ‘More than 50 North Korean submarines away from bases for operations’

                      Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                      Find 'em using satellites and drone 'em. If a few NK subs disappeared would NK admit it, and would anybody care?

                      Can drones really bring down subs?

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                      • #12
                        Re: ‘More than 50 North Korean submarines away from bases for operations’

                        A friend said this may be how this all plays out:

                        "Should the NK regime fall, reunification can only happen by providing an iron clad strategic penn-insular buffer, alleviating all PRC concerns. As starters, this would entail: ALL US military presence out of Korea, period; draconian restrictions on SK navy, tanks, aircraft, missiles; possible Chinese naval facilities on Sea of Japan, huge SK refugee aid (closed Chinese border); SK declaration of neutrality in any PRC conflict with USA; trade concessions, .... these and others, would be very acceptable to Korea."

                        China and the U.S. would have to agree on any reunification.

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                        • #13
                          Re: ‘More than 50 North Korean submarines away from bases for operations’

                          Originally posted by vt View Post
                          A friend said this may be how this all plays out:


                          "Should the NK regime fall, reunification can only happen by providing an iron clad strategic penn-insular buffer, alleviating all PRC concerns. As starters, this would entail: ALL US military presence out of Korea, period; draconian restrictions on SK navy, tanks, aircraft, missiles; possible Chinese naval facilities on Sea of Japan, huge SK refugee aid (closed Chinese border); SK declaration of neutrality in any PRC conflict with USA; trade concessions, .... these and others, would be very acceptable to Korea."


                          China and the U.S. would have to agree on any reunification.



                          I'm no military expert, but from a layman point of view, why would China want US military presence out of Korea or the Sea of Japan? Status quo benefits China. With N Korea as a buffer state, China can avoid the expense of maintaining a heavy military presence on the Korean border. If we examine history, the Korean peninsular has seen the most wars. A South Korea occupied by the US will be advantageous to China.

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                          • #14
                            Re: ‘More than 50 North Korean submarines away from bases for operations’

                            This guy is a military expert.

                            I do understand geopolitics and did have some ROTC training, but was never in the military.

                            Major powers need buffers. Russia wants Eastern Europe because it was easily invaded by Napoleon and then Hitler.

                            China has the sea on most of it's non northern borders. However South Korea could provide a land entrance to China. In World War II the allies used Italy as a land entrance to the heart on Europe, but of course also needed to open a 2nd front in northern France by sea.

                            The Chinese also see a unified Korea as an economic challenge. If a unified Korea grows faster than China, that doesn't look good for Chinese leadership.

                            China wants to control any Korean unification as much as possible in negotiations.

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                            • #15
                              Re: ‘More than 50 North Korean submarines away from bases for operations’

                              It doesn't appear that reunification will happen any time soon, at least not while young Kim is in power.

                              http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/08...r-kim-jong-un/

                              Kim jong un apparently is no fool. His rule combines punishment with reward. He instills fear by showing that anyone that defies him will not be spared, not even his immediate family. He encourages greed by endorsing a small market economy.

                              Originally posted by vt View Post
                              The Chinese also see a unified Korea as an economic challenge. If a unified Korea grows faster than China, that doesn't look good for Chinese leadership.


                              South Korea is already a much more advanced economy than China. Historically, Korea has been an ally of China. A strong Korea is an advantage to China.

                              Contrary to what we think, the Chinese leadership don't need to prove that China's economy is better than Korea. The main concern among the Chinese people today are pollution and food safety.
                              Last edited by touchring; August 27, 2015, 02:43 AM.

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