Why Organic Agriculture Is A Colossal Hoax

[vt]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/henrymil...colossal-hoax/

[gwynedd1]

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That is the difference between learning something by wrote and actually understanding. The whole problem with the industrial food supply in the first place is that it over utilizes a single chemical or a single source. When I naturally brew hard cider the alcohol gets to around 3%. The problems occur after concentration. Sugar is quite naturally occurring, but we concentrate that too, just like fat. It did not take me long to notice that health-food stores, so called, looked to be full of these extracts as if health needed concentrated extracts. I rarely saw any of what I might call food.


I do like kale and other bitter greens. However I eat them in season which quickly changes into another. My wild food sources tend to go no more than about two weeks depending on what it is. There are exceptions like lambs quarters where I can pick the tops off as it grows or milkweed which can go from shoot to bud to young pods , however in general I have about a week or two for certain tree leaves, thistle, berries and what not. So what this means is food in limited doses. That is what healthy food is. That's the irony. Healthy food never comes in large doses which means concentrating food is generally not healthy. Its an oxymoron.

The reason is people have a misunderstanding about what food it to an animal. Since we do not get our sustenance from the sun, we need to eat other organisms that often never had any intention of being food , or if that, a staple. So it has defences to stop, but more often slow and manipulate animal behaviour. We animals also tend to adjust and come to a kind of arragement that allows coexistence. Potatoes are trying to grow potato plants. Carrots are tying to create a flower stalk. Apples are tying to give a reward but within limits so that one animal does not hog all of it. That is why many food are in fact "mildly toxic" beyond a certain serving size. Too many berries will make you sick. Tannins found in most food can cause issues. So can oxalic acid and so on......

[touchring]

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I'm surprised that Forbes will publish such an article, they are probably paid by the fast food companies to do that.

Kale, cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, kale, brussels sprouts, kai-lan, bok-choy are from the same family. People throughout the world eat them, many eat them everyday with no issues.

[santafe2]

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I thought this would be the same Forbes hit piece I read on the plane flying home today. However this one is different. The one I read hammered all organic food as too expensive and without value. When you begin to see these hit pieces you know the market share is beginning to hurt traditional food markets. We saw the same shift with regard to solar. When I started in the business it was tiny, kind of cute and no one in traditional energy cared what we did. That has all changed. I suspect the organic food movement and the anti-GMO movement are cramping the profits of some big players. It will get much worse than these articles.

The writer, William Campbell Douglass is quite the freak show. He thinks WHO developed AIDS, he's anti vegetable, thinks smoking can be good for you and that vaccines are problematic. Excellent physician.

[Thailandnotes]

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The writer, William Campbell Douglass is quite the freak show. He thinks WHO developed AIDS, he's anti vegetable, thinks smoking can be good for you and that vaccines are problematic. Excellent physician.

There is a job, app, business out there for the taking…

Whenever you paste an article or link to one, the app inserts a hyperlink that provides a 300-word bio of the author, who is buttering his /her bread, and what other views he/she has pushed.

Thanks, Santefe2

[vt]

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These two articles convey two messages:

The Forbes article points out that many consumers of organic foods may be thinking they are avoiding pesticides. It appears they are not. Plus they are paying a higher price for these foods.

Dr. Douglas, who may have some questionable views, points out the dirty soil these alleged healthy foods are grown in.

Consumers should be very concerned the the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Protection agencies aren't doing there jobs.

The attack on the sources as well as the lack of attention to facts presented frankly baffles me. I don't agree with some of the New York Times political views but they do publish many well researched well written articles on science and business. So does Forbes.

[santafe2]

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The attack on the sources as well as the lack of attention to facts presented frankly baffles me. I don't agree with some of the New York Times political views but they do publish many well researched well written articles on science and business. So does Forbes.

vt, let's not confuse the published Forbes mag with their online carny sideshow. Same with the NYT or any other publication. This is not an article, it's just a plausibly deniable fishing expedition.

As for the "facts", there is no reason to pay attention to them. They aren't even opinions. This is agenda masquerading as truthiness.

[Thailandnotes]

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This is why the article is disingenuous:

“Farmers have started looking for any bare patch of ground they can find to plant the stuff. As a result so-called "healthy" kale is being grown in increasingly filthy soil. Even the organic stuff can have high levels of thallium.”

Thallium is a by-product of industry. Coal plants, cement factories etc. You won’t find high levels of it in organic soil. In the states I’m familiar with, attaining certified organic status for your farm is no cake walk. It requires extensive record keeping and multiple inspections. It’s not something you can fudge, especially the soil. I'm sure Douglass the 2nd knows this.

[vt]

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I can agree that Douglas may be a bit off base. I probably shouldn't have posted his view. But $6 for green goop is funny.

But for consumers of organic foods it may be disconcerting that they use pesticides as Forbes says.

[santafe2]

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But for consumers of organic foods it may be disconcerting that they use pesticides as Forbes says.

vt, at best you would be conflating Douglass with Forbes, but it's worse than that. The article you posted is from the self serving quackery found on the "Douglass Report". The Forbes article you linked is to another writer. I understand the Douglass opinions fit your view of the world but it's hardly journalism.

[vt]

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As I said Douglas is a bit off the reservation and grasping for his agenda. I edited him out and should have separated articles better.

I still feel the Forbes article is good in pointing out that consumers are not being told the truth.

I eat some organic food so my viewpoint is not what you imagine. I just don't wish to pay extra for something that isn't what it purports to be, and I feel most consumers would feel the same.

[sunjeep]

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vt, at best you would be conflating Douglass with Forbes, but it's worse than that. The article you posted is from the self serving quackery found on the "Douglass Report". The Forbes article you linked is to another writer. I understand the Douglass opinions fit your view of the world but it's hardly journalism.

+1

[touchring]

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But for consumers of organic foods it may be disconcerting that they use pesticides as Forbes says.

I think this is possible that pesticides maybe used in the earlier stage of the crop, that's why it's important to wash even organic produce.