Gun control anyone (again)

[Raz]

Re: Gun control anyone (again)

Or imagine a world where every citizen has access to a gun.

America has twice the murder rate of any comparable country you export guns and violence to your central and southern counterparts.
There will be a time when you grow up as a society and understand that society evolve, what was true for one time is not the best way to carry on the future but boy is America slow to change.

I want a society where EVERY single adult without a criminal or psychiatric record not only has access to a firearm, but owns one.

Mr. Madison placed the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights because he and his colleagues knew that without it the other nine weren't worth much. We had the experience of being subjects to your "evolved" British society to teach us that hard lesson.

And speaking of "growing up" - there seems to be a disconnect between you telling us that we're "immature" and you displaying an avatar glorifying reefer.

"An armed man is a citizen; an unarmed man is a subject."
- Thomas Jefferson

[LorenS]

Re: Gun control anyone (again)

My points were made better by others and I don't have time to argue against people who think crime is as easy to cure as a bacterial infection.

[loweyecue]

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I want a society where EVERY single adult without a criminal or psychiatric record not only has access to a firearm, but owns one.

Mr. Madison placed the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights because he and his colleagues knew that without it the other nine weren't worth much. We had the experience of being subjects to your "evolved" British society to teach us that hard lesson.

And speaking of "growing up" - there seems to be a disconnect between you telling us that we're "immature" and you displaying an avatar glorifying reefer.

"An armed man is a citizen; an unarmed man is a subject."
- Thomas Jefferson

Do criminals have criminal records prior to their first crime? So you would give guns to people who could turn violent and kill somebody simpy because they haven't done it before? Excellent reasoning. Can't fix stupid.

[Raz]

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My points were made better by others and I don't have time to argue against people who think crime is as easy to cure as a bacterial infection.

What were your points and who made them better than you?

[Raz]

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Do criminals have criminal records prior to their first crime? So you would give guns to people who could turn violent and kill somebody simpy because they haven't done it before?

So you would deny every American citizen the right to own a firearm to protect their family and home because someone might use a firearm to commit an armed robbery or a murder? Excellent "reasoning". Your avatar describes you perfectly: You're I.Q is about the same as your hat size.
Idiots like you vote for the very statists who want an ever expanding government that controls every aspect of our lives, redefining morality with each passing decade.

By your "logic" we should ban automobiles because someone might drive while drunk and kill somebody. (People would be able to travel to work and to the grocer on a bicycle - and they'd be saving the planet to boot!)
We could also ban the production and sale of matches because there are some pyromaniacs in the United States and they could commit arson.
(I suppose an arsonist could rub sticks together, but hey - we could ban sticks, couldn't we?)

Show me the crime stats from D.C. and Illinois where they have stringent gun control laws. Worked out well there, hasn't it?

The problem is moral and spiritual. Some people are just plain evil - they choose to be that way. They nurse every grievance and live lives of bitterness instead of realizing that no one owes them "happiness" or an income.

Poverty is certainly a contributing factor for theft, but do all poor people commit armed robbery and shoot convenience store clerks? Do all poor people murder their neighbors?

Can't fix stupid.

I agree. We had a conversation years ago years ago and you're just as ignorant and stupid as you were back then.

[vt]

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[LorenS]

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What were your points and who made them better than you?

Shiny pretty much clinched it with most of the points I made. You know, the whole "give evil a penknife theme" worked out so well on 9/11......

Plus, given post #2; It's so ironic that, due to ignorance and willful misuse (of antibiotics), we're losing the battle against pathological bacteria. Yet, we're supposed to ignore failure and march on to the drum of failure, just because the beat makes us feel better (7th Circuit Court).

[loweyecue]

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So you would deny every American citizen the right to own a firearm to protect their family and home because someone might use a firearm to commit an armed robbery or a murder? Excellent "reasoning". Your avatar describes you perfectly: You're I.Q is about the same as your hat size.
Idiots like you vote for the very statists who want an ever expanding government that controls every aspect of our lives, redefining morality with each passing decade.

By your "logic" we should ban automobiles because someone might drive while drunk and kill somebody. (People would be able to travel to work and to the grocer on a bicycle - and they'd be saving the planet to boot!)
We could also ban the production and sale of matches because there are some pyromaniacs in the United States and they could commit arson.
(I suppose an arsonist could rub sticks together, but hey - we could ban sticks, couldn't we?)

Show me the crime stats from D.C. and Illinois where they have stringent gun control laws. Worked out well there, hasn't it?

The problem is moral and spiritual. Some people are just plain evil - they choose to be that way. They nurse every grievance and live lives of bitterness instead of realizing that no one owes them "happiness" or an income.

Poverty is certainly a contributing factor for theft, but do all poor people commit armed robbery and shoot convenience store clerks? Do all poor people murder their neighbors?




I agree. We had a conversation years ago years ago and you're just as ignorant and stupid as you were back then.

Who died and appointed you and idiots like you judge and jury of morality? What right do you have to dictate what is or isn't moral. Take your high sounding horseturd and...
Where did I say anything about banning guns? Or are you actually able to read?

[Raz]

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Who died and appointed you and idiots like you judge and jury of morality? What right do you have to dictate what is or isn't moral. Take your high sounding horseturd and...
Where did I say anything about banning guns? Or are you actually able to read?

Forgive me, loweyecue. I'm not fluent in stupid. I only know how to read English words for their actual meaning and assume they are concatenated when written in a sentence, the clear meaning of yours being that anyone or everyone could be considered a POTENTIAL criminal and for that reason we should severely restrict gun ownership to perhaps the police, and of course the sufficiently enlightened such as yourself? . Perhaps you should provide extensive footnotes whenever you offer to share with us your logical brilliance.
(And as for calling you stupid, I was only returning the favor, you stupid assh@!#.)

[vt]

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Guns stop killings:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthi...wit#.iyPzkz54X

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9 Potential Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By Someone With A Personally Owned Firearm

Can law-abiding citizens with guns combat mass shootings?
posted on Sept. 17, 2013, at 6:45 p.m.

Ryan BroderickBuzzFeed News Reporter

1. The Pearl High School shooting

Via murderpedia.org

Oct. 1, 1997
Luke Woodham fatally stabbed and bludgeoned his mother and went on to kill two students and injure seven others at his high school. Woodham was stopped by Assistant Principal Joel Myrick, a U.S. Army Reserve commander, who detained Woodham by using a .45 caliber semi-automatic pistol he kept in his truck, until authorities could show up.
Myrick stopped Woodham from going across the street to the middle school.

2. The Parker Middle School dance shooting


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April 24, 1998
Andrew Wurst showed up to his middle school dance with his .25-caliber pistol. He fired it, killing a teacher, wounding a second one, and injuring two students. The 14-year-old’s shoot-out lasted about 20 minutes. It was ended when James Strand, the owner of the banquet hall the dance was happening in, confronted Wurst with his personal shotgun. He ordered Wurst to drop his weapon and held the teenager in place for 11 minutes before finally getting him to drop the weapon and lie on the ground, and then searched him for other weapons.

3. The Appalachian School of Law shooting



asl.edu

Jan. 16, 2002
A 43-year-old Nigerian former student named Peter Odighizuwa arrived on campus with a handgun. There are different variations of the story, but according toeyewitness accounts, law students Tracy Bridges, a county sheriff’s deputy, and Mikael Gross, a police officer, ran to their cars after hearing gunshots and grabbed personally owned firearms. They approached Odighizuwa, ordering him to drop his firearm; he did and was subdued by unarmed students.
Three people were killed and three others were wounded.

4. The New Life Church shooting



Via blutube.policeone.com

Dec. 9, 2007
A former police officer from Minnesota named Jeanne Assam was at church when a 24-year-old gunman named Matthew Murray began firing at parishioners in the parking lot. Murray claimed two victims before Assam opened fire on him with her personally owned concealed weapon. After receiving multiple hits from Assam, Murray then shot himself.

5. The Trolley Square shooting



murderpedia.org

Feb. 12, 2007
Sulejman Talović killed five people and wounded four others in 2007 when he began firing in a public square in Salt Lake City, Utah. He carried a shotgun and a backpack of ammunition. He was eventually stopped in a shoot-out involving Salt Lake City Police Department SWAT that took place in a Pottery Barn Kids. He was cornered, however, by off-duty police officer Kenneth Hammond, who held him in position before authorities could arrive.
Hammond ran on scene after hearing gunshots fire out while having an early Valentine’s Day dinner with his pregnant wife at a local restaurant.

6. The Golden Market shooting



Via maps.google.com

July 19, 2009
The details are murky but according to reports, a man entered a Golden Market in Virginia in 2009 and began firing a gun. He shot and wounded the clerk and thenbegan firing at patrons inside. He ran out of ammo and was attempting to reload when he was shot, wounded, and then subdued by a permit holder who happened to be in the store.

7. The New York Mills AT&T store shooting



criminaljustice.ny.gov

May 27, 2010
Off-duty police officer Donald J. Moore stopped Abraham Dickan, a 79-year-old man who decided to shoot up an AT&T store in New York Mills, New York. Moore was in the store when Dickan entered brandishing a .357 magnum and a hit list of employees he planned to kill in his pocket. Moore heard Dickan’s gun go off, drew his own personal weapon, and killed Dickan on scene.
One AT&T employee was injured in the shooting.

8. The Clackamas Town Center shooting



STEVE DIPAOLA / Reuters

Dec. 11, 2012
Two people were killed and a third was seriously wounded in Clackamas County, Oregon, when Jacob Roberts opened fire in a local shopping mall. Nick Meli, a shopper in the mall, drew a personally owned firearm on Roberts, who then retreated. Meli did not fire his weapon, for fear of striking bystanders.

9. The San Antonio Theater shooting



Via google.com

Dec. 16, 2012
In December of last year, gunfire broke out in a San Antonio movie theater. Moviegoers rushed to exits and ducked for cover as a lone gunman, Jesus Manuel Garcia, began shooting in a China Garden that spilled over into an attached movie complex. The San Antonio Police Department were fired at by the gunman and had to evacuate and seal off the complex.
The gunman was eventually shot and struck by an off-duty police officer, Lisa Castellano, who was working at the theater that night.

[BK]

Re: Gun control anyone (again)

Which country would you like to compare the United States to.

For the record I do not own a gun and am not a member of the NRA. T did learn to use a gun at Boy Scout camp. There are lots of folks in the USA who live a long way from a police station and they keep a rifle or pistol. The vast majority never fire or point it at another human being.

Before the gun there were many who died at the point of a knife or hammer. It is sophomoric to believe that letting politicians get more involved with gun ownership is going to be a positive event for the Republic of the United States. Blind trust in letting politicians fix unfixable and awful human problems is idiotic.

Remember the well intention plan to bring health care to 30 million uninsured Americans!

Please what country do we compare USA to that has a similar population?

[vt]

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http://www.homeinvasionnews.com/do-m...home-invaders/

This is a list of the many home invasions stopped by armed homeowners:

https://www.google.com/search?sclien...N8SeyASxm6yIDA

[shiny!]

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The Armed Citizen has oodles of stories of peaceful citizens defending themselves and others with firearms. These stories rarely make headlines.

[Techdread]

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Try comparing the United states to Western Europe, USA has a homicide rate 5x of UK for instance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate

United States Drug laws means narcotics in from the countries to the south and guns exported in exchange, destabilizing them.

A rich country like USA should be able to give every citizen a basic health coverage and if people want to jump the queue they should buy private health insurance, this would help employers and individuals alike and help keep overall costs low .

The normal joe especially those that live in cities have no reason owning guns, a humans mental state can change on a dime having Easy access to a gun is a recipe for disaster.

[Techdread]

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"Mr. Madison placed the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights because he and his colleagues knew that without it the other nine weren't worth much. We had the experience of being subjects to your "evolved" British society to teach us that hard lesson. "

Raz I thought he put it in to preserve slavery.
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/13890-the-second-amendment-was-ratified-to-preserve-slaver

I digress what I meant was that what is true for a certain time in a countries history may no longer be true for the present or the future.

You have a professional army no need for normal citizens to carry arms, and as for protection against tyrannical governments guns are not going to help much when their are much more better tools like Tvs.

Nothing wrong with my avatar if everyone smoked a reefer a day maybe we would have world peace...