Hilary's Emails

[kriden]

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http://www.theonion.com/articles/hil...-up-for,38416/
Hillary Clinton To Nation: ‘Do Not Fuck This Up For Me’

WASHINGTON—After several seconds spent sitting motionless and glaring directly into the camera, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton reportedly began Sunday’s video announcing her 2016 presidential bid by warning the nation not to fuck this up for her. “Listen up, assholes, ’cause I’m only saying this once: I’ve worked way too goddamn hard to let you morons blow this thing for me,” said Clinton, repeatedly jabbing her index finger toward the viewers at home while adding that if they thought she was going to simply sit back and watch them dick her over like they did in 2008, they were out of their ******* minds. “Seriously, don’t you dare even think about it. If you shitheads can just get in line, we can breeze through this whole campaign in 19 months and be done with it. Or, if you really want, we can do this the hard way. Because make no mistake, I’m not ******* around. Got it?” Clinton then ended her announcement by vowing to fight for a better future for all working-class families like the one she grew up in.

[Milton Kuo]

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Good points, Milton. It's tough to be a whistleblower in any occupation, but even tougher on the police force.

Disagree about the cop being exonerated sans footage, though. The coroner's report would have shown that the victim was shot in the back from distance. Tough to square that with the cop's would-be alibi.

I also don't see the press as being cop friendly.

I wish I could find the article (I believe it was in the New York Times) but some time in the 2000s, well before the Ferguson incident, there was an incident in NYC (I think) where a black man was shot in the back quite a few times (it maybe have been 20 or 30) by one or more police officers.

The black man was an immigrant and I also seem to recall he was unarmed. He may have been carrying a item that was mistakenly seen as a firearm by the police. I'll update this posting if I can ever find the article.

As for the press not being cop-friendly, look at all the television shows where policemen are the heroes of the program. (Not the news, true, but it is the media.) Ever see a court case where a person issued a traffic violation disputes the citation? Even with no evidence, the policeman's word carries more weight and credibility than the defendant's even if the defendant has a far cleaner record than the policeman. The defendant has to have either rock-solid evidence that clearly refutes the officer's allegations to beat the charge; or a lot of money to hire really good legal representation to either beat the charge or wear the court system down until it gives up.

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Update: I have found the article. From the February 5, 1999 edition of The New York Times: "Officers in Bronx Fire 41 Shots, And an Unarmed Man Is Killed.":

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/02/05/ny...is-killed.html

The man's name was Amadou Diallo and there is also Wikipedia entry on this incident:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Amadou_Diallo

I don't know if it makes a difference or not but this occurred when the U.S. economy was booming thanks to the dot-com bubble. During economic booms, crime rates typically fall so this police action should have been rather unusual.

[lakedaemonian]

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That incident that just occurred was reprehensible.

Shooting an unarmed middle aged, unfit man in the back while "running" away is criminal.

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I remember the Diallo shooting back in the day.

I recall one thing the public seemed outraged by was the number of rounds expended by Police.

Police(and anyone for that matter) will revert to the lowest common denominator when trying to function under high levels of stress.

That usually means reverting to simple repetitive training.

For police, that often means shoot until the weapon is empty and/or the threat(real or imagined) is reduced/eliminated.

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So what is needed is not just simple, repetitive training(so when your higher brain functions are impaired by physical/mental/emotional stress you can still function), but also appropriate simple/repetitive training and sufficient simple/repetitive training.

There's a reason why Glock offers a "New York Trigger" after law enforcement agencies en masse shifted from wheel guns(revolvers) to semi-automatic pistols a few decades ago, NYPD was suffering from an embarrassing number of unathorized/negligent firearms discharges.

I've carried pistols in operations environments for extended periods. Anyone can be trained to safely carry and utilize firearms with sufficient amounts of effective training as well as continuation training in the employment of such tools.

But even with the best training in the world, it's not going to prevent the application of poor judgement by police officers.

So initial recruiting and vetting of potential police officers as well as periodic mental health assessments would be equally critical(if not more so).

But that all costs money and takes time.

[Milton Kuo]

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That incident that just occurred was reprehensible.

Shooting an unarmed middle aged, unfit man in the back while "running" away is criminal.

The recent incident is far, far worse than the Diallo incident because it occurred during daytime after the officer had already gotten a good, close up look at the man and should have recognized him as no longer in the prime of his life.

The troubling thing about the Diallo incident is that the police opened fire on him after they said he pulled out his wallet and they mistook it for a firearm. That seems strange, doesn't it? A man runs away from the police and then decides to pull out his wallet? Why would Diallo pull out his wallet? Did Diallo even pull out his wallet? It seems like a story the police made up that's plausible enough to get them off the hook. Reminds me of the scene in "Training Day" (based on a real-life incident) where Denzel Washington's character and his lieutenants are agreeing on an official story for the reports after they murder in cold blood the character played by Scott Glen.

That said, at least the Diallo incident occurred late at night, he was relatively young, and there is no evidence to contradict the officers' story.

There's a reason why Glock offers a "New York Trigger" after law enforcement agencies en masse shifted from wheel guns(revolvers) to semi-automatic pistols a few decades ago, NYPD was suffering from an embarrassing number of unathorized/negligent firearms discharges.

Zero Hedge pointed out a story a year or two ago about a man (in NYC, I believe) who was bullied at work by his manager, fired by the manager, went to the office after the firing and shot the manager, and then allowed himself to get killed by police fire. The funny thing about the article was that the man was hit by two or three times by a barrage of police bullets but five or more pedestrians nearby on the street were hit by the police bullets that missed their target. If I remember correctly, the man only attempted (and succeeded) to kill the manager who antagonized him; he made no effort to harm anyone else. Which means, in this case, the police were a greater menace to the pedestrians than the murderer.

I'm not necessarily convinced it's a training issue so much as I think some people just cannot be trusted with a firearm. I personally think that the way law enforcement hires people should be changed. Too many people in law enforcement do not have the psychological profile and, evidently, motor skills to qualify to be police officers.

[Woodsman]

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Hillary Clinton To Nation....

"Citizens, you will elect me... I will be your leader."

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...l#.VSug-_nF8WS

[lakedaemonian]

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The recent incident is far, far worse than the Diallo incident because it occurred during daytime after the officer had already gotten a good, close up look at the man and should have recognized him as no longer in the prime of his life.

While well trained/capable LE officers would be able to ascertain the man's age/fitness, there's PLENTY of examples in LE of obese/unfit/middle aged-elderly people committing horrible and violent crimes, including against law enforcement.

Perceived fitness/physical capability is a very important consideration for LE/security forces if things get ugly, but the LACK of it in a citizen/suspect doesn't necessarily mean you should respond less aggressively when truly compelled.

But yeah, as i stated in my first post....the guy was not only middle-aged and unfit, but "running" away.

The running away from a minor issue, while seemingly/knowingly unarmed is the important part.

The troubling thing about the Diallo incident is that the police opened fire on him after they said he pulled out his wallet and they mistook it for a firearm. That seems strange, doesn't it? A man runs away from the police and then decides to pull out his wallet? Why would Diallo pull out his wallet? Did Diallo even pull out his wallet? It seems like a story the police made up that's plausible enough to get them off the hook. Reminds me of the scene in "Training Day" (based on a real-life incident) where Denzel Washington's character and his lieutenants are agreeing on an official story for the reports after they murder in cold blood the character played by Scott Glen.

That said, at least the Diallo incident occurred late at night, he was relatively young, and there is no evidence to contradict the officers' story.

The biggest issue I recall was public shock at two full Glock magazines(1 for each officer) with all rounds expended.....as they were trained to do(not passing judgement on whether a good or bad shoot)

Zero Hedge pointed out a story a year or two ago about a man (in NYC, I believe) who was bullied at work by his manager, fired by the manager, went to the office after the firing and shot the manager, and then allowed himself to get killed by police fire. The funny thing about the article was that the man was hit by two or three times by a barrage of police bullets but five or more pedestrians nearby on the street were hit by the police bullets that missed their target. If I remember correctly, the man only attempted (and succeeded) to kill the manager who antagonized him; he made no effort to harm anyone else. Which means, in this case, the police were a greater menace to the pedestrians than the murderer.

There are some really scary statistics regarding LE firearms engagements in terms of average distance(largely less than 5-6 metres as I recall), rounds expended, and % rounds that actually hit intended targets.

The stats are shockingly bad.

But what do you expect when they combine people with very limited kinetic engagement training, even less continuation training, poor stressor training, then magnify the potential of poor results thru natural high physiological stressors when they feel compelled to fire their weapons in a real world shoot, no shoot situation?

I'm not necessarily convinced it's a training issue so much as I think some people just cannot be trusted with a firearm. I personally think that the way law enforcement hires people should be changed. Too many people in law enforcement do not have the psychological profile and, evidently, motor skills to qualify to be police officers.

Training is a HUGE factor. Both initial and continuation.

You can literally train a monkey to shoot well.

Judgement, good judgement.....that's a harder and more expensive quality to acquire/attain for an individual and for an organization to recruit/retain.

Hiring diversity in recent decades brings good news(gender/ethnic alignment with population) and bad news("diversity" of candidate performance).

Conversely, you can have someone with excellent judgement who has limited "time on the tools" in initial/continuation firearms training who could make the right decision, but lacks the reasonably attainable skill to execute the decision.

Firearms training, especially with handguns, is a highly perishable skill that takes money to gain and money to maintain.

[Master Shake]

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The Diallo case happened 16 years ago and he was not shot in the back while running away.

Cops are shown as heroes on tv shows because they do a thankless, high stress job for relatively little money.

If you had any experience with urban America and the ghetto goblins that live there, you would take a policeman's word over theirs eight days a week.

[Milton Kuo]

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The Diallo case happened 16 years ago and he was not shot in the back while running away.

Cops are shown as heroes on tv shows because they do a thankless, high stress job for relatively little money.

The Diallo case did indeed happen 16 years ago and that's kind of the point. The police didn't just suddenly have rotten apples enter their organizations. With advancing technology, it is easier than ever for the public to surreptitiously watch the watchers and show that, in some cases, there are bad policemen and a system that they are either able to exploit to cover up their wrongdoings or a system that actually hides the truth.

I'm not saying Diallo was an angel. He was going to do commit some sort of fraud to get political asylum in this country. However, while he was not shot in the back, he did run away and the police officers' account of him pulling out his wallet, which made them think they saw a gun, has an air of falseness to it.

If you had any experience with urban America and the ghetto goblins that live there, you would take a policeman's word over theirs eight days a week.

I specifically stated that even against a person with a record cleaner than the police officer's, the system is stacked in favor of the law enforcement officer. I did not say nor did I imply that people with a criminal record have greater credibility than police officers. Make no mistake, I am no apologist for criminals and I am not trying to make an argument for the nonsense that Sharpton and Jackson spew. However, I also don't want to be the exact opposite of Sharpton and Jackson and believe that the black person is always at fault and brought it upon himself.

I've encountered enough shifty police officers to know better than to believe everything they say.

[lektrode]

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del the dbl...

[lektrode]

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....video=youtube
"Citizens, you will elect me... I will be your leader."

THANK YOU woody! (for keeping us ON TOPIC ;)
was going to put this one up after eye noted it over at 0C...

but this (below) is kinda old news tho, eh?
somewhat of a chuckle too, their spin on her...

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...l#.VSug-_nF8WS

...Hillary Clinton has finally shown her hand. After having sat out the financial crisis and all the economic turmoil that has followed in the past six years—and with good reason, since for most of that time she was tending to the nation’s diplomacy as secretary of state—she is proving to be an anti-Wall Street populist too, and as much a socialist as her former boss, President Obama.

But here’s the strange thing: Down on Wall Street they don’t believe it for a minute. While the finance industry does genuinely hate Warren, the big bankers love Clinton, and by and large they badly want her to be president. Many of the rich and powerful in the financial industry—among them, Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein, Morgan Stanley CEO James Gorman, Tom Nides, a powerful vice chairman at Morgan Stanley, and the heads of JPMorganChase and Bank of America—consider Clinton a pragmatic problem-solver not prone to populist rhetoric. To them, she’s someone who gets the idea that we all benefit if Wall Street and American business thrive. What about her forays into fiery rhetoric? They dismiss it quickly as political maneuvers. None of them think she really means her populism.

uh huh... and there i went thinking all these years that it was wildbill who was THE Numero Uno 'problem solver' ....
since they welcomed him with open wallets... uhhh... i mean arms.. over there in lwr manhattan - well... the bronx anyway - but hey.. its only a quick limo ride across the bridge

guess it'll all come down to THE big burning question, eh?
"Our Billionaires Can Beat Their Billionaires" ??

[vt]

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Let's the logo satires begin. We need to be evenhanded, so please provide satires of Republican candidates.


POSTED ON APRIL 13, 2015 BY STEVEN HAYWARD IN 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, HILLARY CLINTON
MONDAY IN PICTURES: HILLARY’S LOGOGRAPHIC NECESSITY

Platonic scholars speak of “logographic necessity,” but Obama seems to have debased this concept along with everything else he touches. Obama was the first presidential campaign to have its own concept logo, and now Hillary is following with one of her own. But it’s even more mockable than Obama’s, as you can see here:

Yeah, really.

Elizabeth Warren’s Logo?

Bill’s logo?

Or maybe this one for Bill?

And finally. . .

[vt]

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http://www.brandchannel.com/2015/04/...n-logo-150413/

http://www.businessinsider.com/desig...n-logos-2015-4

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/a...l-church-logo/

http://www.businessinsider.com/marco...experts-2015-4

[vt]

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Hillary's fake "ordinary people" campaign:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...chauffeur.html

[lektrode]

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del dbl, see next..

[lektrode]

Taibbi: Clinton's Fake Populism Is a Hit

Hillary's fake "ordinary people" campaign:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...chauffeur.html

and matt's version:
Campaign 2016: Hillary Clinton's Fake Populism Is a Hit

Pundits say her idealist porridge is not too hot, not too cold, but just fake enough

By Matt Taibbi April 16, 2015