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  • #76
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    Originally posted by Master Shake View Post
    You high, Woody? That's not a story about Big Mike Hands Up Don't Shoot Brown.

    The cop in SC is charged with murder and rightly so.
    Sure, only before the video was released it was the same old "feared for my life" crap.

    Video of Shooting Caught Police Propaganda Machine in Action
    A video supplied to The New York Times, showing the shooting death of 50-year-old Walter Scott at the hands of a South Carolina police officer, appears on first viewing to be the latest example of an unarmed black person killed unnecessarily by a white cop.

    But it’s so much more than that. Because three days elapsed between the shooting and the publication of the video of the shooting, the Scott incident became an illuminating case study in the routinized process through which police officers, departments and attorneys frame the use of deadly force by American cops in the most sympathetic possible terms, often claiming fear of the very people they killed. In the days after the shooting, the police version of events — an utterly typical example of the form — was trotted out, only to be sharply contradicted when the video surfaced. In most cases like this, there is no video, no definitive, undisputed record of much of what happened, and thus no way to rebut inaccurate statements by the police.

    The first report of the Saturday afternoon incident, from Charleston’s The Post and Courier, followed the usual script: The police department’s story portrayed the victim as behaving dangerously, in this case, purportedly struggling to take an officer’s Taser as part of a violent altercation. Family and friends of the slain black victim mourned his loss and questioned the narrative offered by authorities.

    The pro-police spin continued two days later, when a lawyer for Michael Slager, the officer who shot Scott, said Scott “tried to overpower” his client, who “felt threatened and reached for his department-issued firearm and fired his weapon.” Scott’s family and allies could do little more than note that Scott was unarmed, and call for the truth to somehow emerge.

    That was before the video of the incident — from a brave soul now identified as 23-year-old Feidin Santana — got into the hands of the Scott family. And in one dramatic instance, a cop’s tale of fearing for his life was replaced with a clear recording of the truth — a truth so damning it appears to have motivated Slager’s lawyer to stop representing the officer (the lawyer has declined to discuss his motivation, but told The Daily Beast, “All I can say is that the same day of the discovery of the video that was disclosed publicly, I withdrew as counsel immediately.”)

    “Feared for my life” has become a crutch for law enforcement in cases where an officer has used deadly force, especially deadly force against people of color and particularly when those people are black and unarmed.
    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...nda-in-action/

    In nearly every other circumstance folks here express skepticism when the state makes its claims. But let a black man be murdered in cold blood by a criminal in blue and its immediately "let's not rush to judgment. "

    That's white privilege if there ever was such a thing. It is precisely this attitude that gives bad cops license to kill unarmed black men with impunity.

    The most effective propaganda is one that feeds into what you believe already. In Nazi Germany it was "the eternal Jew" and in our time and place it is "the eternal black man."

    You fellas aren't fooling anyone.
    Last edited by Woodsman; April 10, 2015, 07:37 AM.

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    • #77
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      Originally posted by Woodsman View Post
      ...You fellas aren't fooling anyone.
      Who are these "you fellas"? Southerners? Conservatives? Republicans?

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      • #78
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        There are bad cops and bad criminals of both races. These need to be dealt with swiftly and fairly.

        The problem is that media and leftist whites that try to inflame and accuse based on race. Ferguson is a prime example:


        ".A two-year-old case involving the shooting death of an unarmed 18-year-old white man by a black police officer is gaining attention on social media in the wake of this week’s protests and rioting in Ferguson, Missouri.

        Gilbert Collar, a white, unarmed 18-year-old under the influence of drugs was shot and killed Oct. 6, 2012, by Officer Trevis Austin, who is black, in Mobile, Alabama. Despite public pressure for an indictment, a Mobile County grand jury refused to bring charges against Officer Austin, concluding that the officer acted in self-defense.
        The circumstances mirror those of the Aug. 9 shooting death of Michael Brown, a black unarmed 18-year-old under the influence of drugs by Officer Darren Wilson, who is white, in Ferguson.

        SEE ALSO: Legal scholars praise Ferguson grand jury for fairness beyond the norm

        A St. Louis County grand jury’s decision Monday not to indict the officer ignited violence and looting in Ferguson and days of protests nationwide against racial injustice.
        The discrepancy in the reaction to and coverage of the two grand jury decisions has not been lost on social media, where critics are citing the Collar case to counter those who say Brown was the victim of racism in both law enforcement and judicial system.
        On Thursday, the website Conservative Tribune headline trumpeted the case: “Unarmed White Teen Gunned Down by Black Cop … Where’s the Outrage?”

        Former CNN host Piers Morgan blasted the police response in Mobile days after Collar was killed, saying he “didn’t deserve to die,” but otherwise the case has received little attention outside Alabama, prompting critics to accuse the national media of a “whiteout.”

        Said Julie on Twitter: “Hello? Media? Two years, and still only crickets. Where’s Al Sharpton for #GilCollar?”
        Critics also note there has been no rioting or sustained protest in Mobile, even though the slightly built Collar, unlike Brown, never touched the officer and, because he was naked when he was shot, was more obviously unarmed.
        Both shooting victims were found with marijuana in their systems.
        “There’s riots for #MikeBrown but none for #GilCollar,” said one commenter, @samstuff, in a Wednesday post on Twitter.
        “Nobody burnt buildings to the ground for them,” said commenter Gomer Pyle on Twitter, referring to Collar and Dillon Taylor, a white 20-year-old shot Aug. 11 by a minority police officer in Utah. “You never even heard of them until now.”
        Others have pointed to the cases as evidence that police are routinely using excessive force against young men no matter what their race.
        “To those of you who called #MikeBrown a thug please reconsider your stance on the issue now that the thug is a white male, who the system failed as well!” said India Washington on Instagram.
        In what may be a sign of things to come in the Brown case, parents Bonnie and Reed Collar filed a wrongful-death lawsuit against the officer in July.
        An earlier lawsuit named the university and Police Chief Zeke Aull, but courts ruled that both had legal immunity, leaving Officer Austin as the sole defendant.
        Collar was a freshman at the University of South Alabama when he ingested two hits of the synthetic drug 25-I, a hallucinogen, which caused him “either to become extremely hot or to believe that he was very hot,” according to the original complaint filed in federal court in Mobile County.
        Gilbert Collar lost the ability to fully understand his actions and to reason,” says the complaint. “As a result, Gilbert Collar took off his clothes and began running into and out of traffic on the campus of the University of South Alabama.”
        Mobile County District Attorney Ashley Rich described Collar’s erratic behavior at a March 2013 press conference after the grand jury issued its decision.
        She said the student ran in the direction of the campus police department, rambling incoherently and at one point attempting to climb into a car over the driver.
        Collar also tried to bite the driver while the vehicle’s passenger, a former university football player, punched him repeatedly in the face.
        Although Collar was just 5-feet-7 and 135 pounds, the blows “didn’t faze him,” Ms. Rich said at the press conference, a video of which was posted on AL.com.
        When he arrived at the police station, Collar began banging on the outside windows, then walked in the general direction of Officer Austin, who had his gun drawn.
        The officer shot Collar in the chest while he was still several feet away, according to reports based on a surveillance video.
        “At no point during the ensuing moments did Gilbert Collar ever touch Officer Austin. On one or more occasions, Gilbert Collar went to the ground and put distance between himself and Officer Austin,” the complaint said.
        “Officer Austin had ample opportunity to obtain his baton and pepper spray, to holster his weapon and to use his own physical abilities, if necessary, or to prolong the situation and wait for back up to arrive.”
        Ms. Rich stressed that Collar, a former high school wrestler, was “an outstanding member of his community,” but that “the drug that was taken produced conduct that caused Gil Collar’s death.”
        The Collars have said that any damages awarded would be used to fund a scholarship. Officer Austin, whose attorney has declined to comment on pending litigation, was reinstated on the police force after the grand jury refused to indict him on any criminal charges."
        Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz3WurTssfO
        Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

        And this other case:

        "Much like the case in Ferguson, MO., an unarmed man was shot and killed by a police officer. But what’s different this time? Instead of the victim being black, he’s white, and therefore has garnered no media attention and no visits or comments from Al Sharpton, President Obama, or Reverend Jesse Jackson.
        The victim, 20-year-old Dillon Taylor, whom family and friends say was unarmed at the time of the shooting, was shot and killed by a police officer, whose name has not yet been released, in Salt Lake City, UT."

        Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/uh-...vXHeSJRSJv2.99

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        • #79
          Re: Hilary's Emails

          What police are faced with at times:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBLMuxqKkGw

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          • #80
            Re: Hilary's Emails

            Originally posted by vt View Post
            The problem is that media and leftist whites that try to inflame...
            Not fooling anyone.

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            • #81
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              But let a black man be murdered in cold blood by a criminal in blue and its immediately "let's not rush to judgment. "

              Well, yeah, because recent history has shown that it's usually a Boy-Crying-Wolf scenario. When you actually have a cop act like the racist stereotype promulgated by the racial arsonists, it's the exception to the rule.

              Regardless of the initial media "spin" (a hilarious concept given their actions/coverage in the shooting of Big Mike, the Gentle Giant), the investigation and autopsy would have shown the cop's story to be false.
              Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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              • #82
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                well... apparently... to some people - hows that one go?

                its always selma AL, 1963

                (read: tis always better to use distraction - such as gun 'control' or 'marriage' rights or when all else fails: race 'relations' - rather than focus discussion on the topic - esp when its about how the vast right-wing conspiracy is disparaging a certain candidate)

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                • #83
                  Re: Hilary's Emails

                  Originally posted by dcarrigg View Post
                  Lek, what's up with that last link?
                  i dunno, dc - eye just finds em, taint my job to vet or verify em.

                  but quite the list of... um.. coincidinks that one is, eh?
                  one would get to thinkin that if any of them werent.. uhhhh.. the truth, the whole truth and nuthin but the truth?
                  that the publisher of such might get their ass handed to them by the lawyers of the so mentioned?

                  If Obama's a communist, he's the shittiest one I've ever heard of.
                  couldnt agree more, big guy.

                  not that i've seen any sort of label fit him all that well...
                  (cept fer maybe the one involving a suit...)

                  one of the best 'shape shifters' eye've EVER, as a matter of fact, eh?

                  Looks like the rich got a lot richer and the poor and middle class didn't get any richer under his Presidency to me.
                  not the least of which was himself (kinda like - no make that EXACTLY like the last Big D occupant, aka 'the 2nd coming of camelot' )

                  I'm pretty convinced part of the left/right economic split and part of the liberal complaints about inequality are because inequality's actually a bigger problem in liberal places than conservative ones...
                  boy, aint THAT the truth...

                  i'm particularly suspect of the ones who 'arrive' in politix in a chevy and roll out in a chauffeured limo (or maybe a tsla)

                  i'll have some more questions and comments on your prev post (above) at some point - since i always appreciate your taking the time to expand upon your always insightful posts - but i've been caught up in that disgusting habit of the (now lower) middle class and having to (try to) earn a living and filling out my annual offering to our favorite .gov dept...

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                  • #84
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                    Originally posted by Master Shake View Post
                    Well, yeah, because recent history has shown that it's usually a Boy-Crying-Wolf scenario. When you actually have a cop act like the racist stereotype promulgated by the racial arsonists, it's the exception to the rule.

                    Regardless of the initial media "spin" (a hilarious concept given their actions/coverage in the shooting of Big Mike, the Gentle Giant), the investigation and autopsy would have shown the cop's story to be false.
                    We'll never know what would have happened had there been no bystander footage. However, I've seen enough unethical/dishonest police behavior in my lifetime to believe that the crooked cop would have been exonerated had there been no footage. Furthermore, while the crooked cop was waiting for the outcome of the investigation, he would have been put on leave with full pay and benefits.

                    The honest policemen have to be willing to out their corrupt brethren. It always surprises me that whenever there is a case where there may have been police brutality, the press only provides quotes of officers vouching for the policeman under investigation. While private sector office jobs are different from being on the police force, I've always known who the bad apples were among my peers and immediate managers. It's difficult to believe that all officers are oblivious to the blights in their own departments.

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                    • #85
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                      and then theres this - just in from 0C (as much as i'd prefer that we STAY ON TOPIC of disparaging the hil&bill show)

                      Here, officer Slager was caught on film planting his taser on Walter Scott after he had already killed Scott:

                      (This is a slow motion excerpt from the video.)
                      Why is this happening?
                      One reason is that many law enforcement officers consider failure to comply with the officers’ demands as a basis for using lethal force.
                      Police have become so militarized in modern America that – in the words of civil rights and constitutional attorney John Whitehead – “the only truly compliant, submissive citizen in a police state is a dead one.”
                      Of course, if we had the rights and liberties guaranteed by the Constitution, this would not be such a problem. Sadly, we’ve lost virtually all of those rights.
                      No wonder you’re 55 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than a terrorist.

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                      • #86
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                        Originally posted by Milton Kuo View Post
                        We'll never know what would have happened had there been no bystander footage. However, I've seen enough unethical/dishonest police behavior in my lifetime to believe that the crooked cop would have been exonerated had there been no footage. Furthermore, while the crooked cop was waiting for the outcome of the investigation, he would have been put on leave with full pay and benefits.

                        The honest policemen have to be willing to out their corrupt brethren. It always surprises me that whenever there is a case where there may have been police brutality, the press only provides quotes of officers vouching for the policeman under investigation. While private sector office jobs are different from being on the police force, I've always known who the bad apples were among my peers and immediate managers. It's difficult to believe that all officers are oblivious to the blights in their own departments.
                        Good points, Milton. It's tough to be a whistleblower in any occupation, but even tougher on the police force.

                        Disagree about the cop being exonerated sans footage, though. The coroner's report would have shown that the victim was shot in the back from distance. Tough to square that with the cop's would-be alibi.

                        I also don't see the press as being cop friendly.
                        Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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                        • #87
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                          This is a key issue in this election and the recent ones of this century:

                          “I’m more convinced than ever that our future in the 21st century depends on our ability to ensure that a child born in the hills of Appalachia or the Mississippi Delta or the Rio Grande Valley grows up with the same shot at success that Charlotte will,” she wrote, referring to her granddaughter.

                          (Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign )

                          This was designed to rebut critics who say she’s too close to Wall Street and too grabby with speech money and foundation donations from Arab autocrats to wage a sincere fight against income inequality.
                          But if Hillary really wants to help those children, maybe she should give them some of the ostensible and obscene $2.5 billion that she is planning to spend to persuade us to make her grandmother of our country."

                          Maureen Dowd writing in the 4/12/15 New York Times

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                          • #88
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                            ditto del, see next...

                            (ohhhh FRED, we still getting doubles)

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                            • #89
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                              Originally posted by vt View Post
                              This is a key issue in this election and the recent ones of this century:

                              “I’m more convinced than ever that our future in the 21st century depends on our ability to ensure that a child born in the hills of Appalachia or the Mississippi Delta or the Rio Grande Valley grows up with the same shot at success that Charlotte will,” she wrote, referring to her granddaughter.

                              (Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign )

                              This was designed to rebut critics who say she’s too close to Wall Street and too grabby with speech money and foundation donations from Arab autocrats to wage a sincere fight against income inequality.
                              But if Hillary really wants to help those children, maybe she should give them some of the ostensible and obscene $2.5 billion that she is planning to spend to persuade us to make her grandmother of our country."

                              Maureen Dowd writing in the 4/12/15 New York Times
                              like dc mentions above and miz dowd seems to be confirming (considering how she regularly lambastes anything/anybody Big R)
                              its still perty early in the game - other than the 'big pic' from the perspective of team D:

                              'we might've gone for her in 2008, but for concern that a white woman wouldnt bring out the inner city vote, so better to go with O'whats-his-name - after teddyK stabs her in the back - then we can crow about how we installed the first black man and now the first white woman in the white house'

                              ayuh...its gonna be a looooong campaign 'season'

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                              • #90
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                                I recall watching some episodes of the TV show Futurama a good few years back for some much needed comedic distraction that were floating around the team I was with at the time.

                                There was a character called Mom, the owner of Mom Corp, who blatantly and simplistically patronized the proletariant.

                                When I think of Hillary and the far from subtle perception shaping of the public by her and her handlers I'm left thinking of "Mom" and "Mom Corp".

                                Fiction becoming reality.

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