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Is this not old news to iTulipers? I don't disagree with Clifton's thesis, (from his book), that good jobs are created by attracting customers but this piece only offers a lot of hand-wringing. There is no doubt that U3 does not accurately measure real unemployment. There are discouraged workers, (U4), marginally attached workers, (U5) and part time workers (U6) who would like to have a full time job. And we don't count the 2%+ of our workforce we have incarcerated...but that may be a point for another day.
Our government really does need to refocus on small business and quit giving so much support to multi-national corporations if we really want to create good jobs in the US. But masquerading as Captain Obvious the revealer of self-evident facts - governments lie - is not helpful.
Is this not old news to iTulipers? I don't disagree with Clifton's thesis, (from his book), that good jobs are created by attracting customers but this piece only offers a lot of hand-wringing. There is no doubt that U3 does not accurately measure real unemployment. There are discouraged workers, (U4), marginally attached workers, (U5) and part time workers (U6) who would like to have a full time job. And we don't count the 2%+ of our workforce we have incarcerated...but that may be a point for another day.
Our government really does need to refocus on small business and quit giving so much support to multi-national corporations if we really want to create good jobs in the US. But masquerading as Captain Obvious the revealer of self-evident facts - governments lie - is not helpful.
It's not news to listeners of John williams, but that is a small part of the public.
I think most people believe the 5.6%.
Even EJ does, to some extent, since he uses the official figures in his projections.
As for the prisoners, well, try to convince the voters to legalize marijuana or prostitution. Same thing with free contraceptives, etc.
Since the topic has meandered over to the Brian Williams lie(s)... I wonder how it'll be handled?
Hillary did the exact same thing when she claimed to have been under fire in Bosnia. If NBC fires Williams or he resigns because he is deemed unfit for his job, that means Hillary is also dead in the water.
They know they can't keep him, but because of Hillary they can't fire him. If he was Japanese he'd have already committed seppuku. Aside from praying for a Public with ADD, what other option do they have?
Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.
If he was Japanese he'd have already committed seppuku
he still has time . . .
a Public with ADD
shiny!: is this a tee shot?
but wait, there's more . . .
Brian Williams in New Orleans in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina.
New Orleans residents who lived through hurricane Katrina remain grateful for NBC News anchor Brian Williams’ reporting from the city during and after the storm.
They just have doubts about some of it.
Williams’ past reporting has come under new scrutiny after revelations earlier this week that he had peddled a false story about what he described as a near-death experience in which a US army helicopter he was riding in in Iraq in 2003 came under RPG and AK-47 fire. The story was exposed by US soldiers as false. Williams called it a “mistake” and apologized.
Longtime residents of New Orleans’ French Quarter say they believe Williams’ vivid claims about his Katrina reporting in the years since the devastating August 2005 storm have also been overblown. They shake their heads at Williams’ having said that he saw a body floating face-down outside his hotel. They say it is highly unlikely that Williams’ hotel was “overrun with gangs”, as the anchor has said. They say there was no dysentery, a disease Williams has said that he caught while he was in the city reporting, and that bottled water was plentiful in the area – despite Williams’ claims to the contrary.
“I saw one of his tapes last night. He said he was told not to drink bottled water in front of people because people would kill you for it?” said Dr Brobson Lutz, a former director of the New Orleans city health department who is a longtime resident of the French Quarter and who ran an EMS station there after the storm. “That’s absolutely hogwash.”
“I seriously doubt it,” said a longtime resident of North Rampart Street in the quarter, Leo Watermeier, a community activist. “I was around there. There was no bodies. There was no major flooding downtown. The water at most was a foot deep. Nobody had drowned around there. So I would be skeptical of that, myself.”
“There were – most of the Quarter, I would say 95% of the quarter didn’t even get any floodwater,” said Lutz. “While there are some pictures of bodies floating around in parts of the more flooded areas of the city, there weren’t any bodies floating around the Quarter.” Public perception of the aftermath of the hurricane has been heavily informed by pictures of devastation in the city and news reports at the time of widespread violence that turned out later to be unfounded. Pictures of bodies floating in the water have been widely distributed, but they were not a common sight.
Williams and NBC News have been accused before of exaggerating violence in the city after the storm. The nonprofit Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting took issuewith a 2010 Katrina anniversary report in which Williams said: “State troopers had to cover us by aiming at the men in the street just to tell them, ‘Don’t think of doing a smash and grab and killing this guy for the car.’” Fair pointed to a September 2005 Times-Picayune report that found that “the vast majority of reported atrocities committed by evacuees – mass murders, rapes and beatings – have turned out to be false, unsupported by any evidence, according to key military, law-enforcement, medical and civilian officials in positions to know.” A report published in the American Journalism Review in January 2006 foundthat “the impressive media coverage of Hurricane Katrina was marred by the widespread reporting – sometimes attributed to public officials – of murders and rapes that apparently never took place.”
Watermeier contradicted Williams’ description of roving gangs in the area after the storm. “Our hotel was overrun with gangs,” Williams told his predecessor, Tom Brokaw, in an interview last year.
did Williams miss this story?
I’m a former US Army helicopter pilot that was flying in the gulf of mexico for the oil industry. I got to know a former Army Blackhawk pilot there who swore he dropped sniper teams on rooftops in downtown New Orleans during Katrina. He told me this years ago but thought I would say this now to give credence to the other intel. This pilot was a standup guy, not given to boasting. I believe every word he said.
Since the topic has meandered over to the Brian Williams lie(s)... I wonder how it'll be handled?
Hillary did the exact same thing when she claimed to have been under fire in Bosnia. If NBC fires Williams or he resigns because he is deemed unfit for his job, that means Hillary is also dead in the water.
They know they can't keep him, but because of Hillary they can't fire him. If he was Japanese he'd have already committed seppuku. Aside from praying for a Public with ADD, what other option do they have?
Who cares? Does it make a whit of difference who reads the news at 7:00? If Brian is replaced by another handsome clothes horse with a soothing voice, will it make the slightest dent in the reporting? Will the editorial stance changes? Will anything change except the opening credits and maybe the set? No.
The war was ginned up under false pretenses. The press were willing accomplices (see Judith Miller). They went along with the "embedded reporter" bullshit and consequently became DoD public affairs officers.
But the world get's its shorts in a bind because Brian Williams puffs himself up with a phony baloney war story. Ben Bradlee, Phil Graham, Walter Pincus, and just about every news person of note since the 1950s taking their marching orders from the piney woods of Northern Virginia; nope, they never heard of it and can't be bothered to care. But Brian Williams making himself look brave and trying to wriggle out of a lie, well that cannot stand. Brian is not the problem.
“Let’s not pick on some poor reporters, for God’s sake,” William Colby exclaimed at one point to the Church committee’s investigators. “Let’s go to the managements. They were witting”
It's coming on 40 years now since Carl Bernstein exposed the myth of the "free, liberal press," but we're worried about Brian Williams.
Alsop is one of more than 400 American journalists who in the past twenty‑five years have secretly carried out assignments for the Central Intelligence Agency, according to documents on file at CIA headquarters. Some of these journalists’ relationships with the Agency were tacit; some were explicit. There was cooperation, accommodation and overlap. Journalists provided a full range of clandestine services—from simple intelligence gathering to serving as go‑betweens with spies in Communist countries. Reporters shared their notebooks with the CIA. Editors shared their staffs. Some of the journalists were Pulitzer Prize winners, distinguished reporters who considered themselves ambassadors without‑portfolio for their country. Most were less exalted: foreign correspondents who found that their association with the Agency helped their work; stringers and freelancers who were as interested in the derring‑do of the spy business as in filing articles; and, the smallest category, full‑time CIA employees masquerading as journalists abroad. In many instances, CIA documents show, journalists were engaged to perform tasks for the CIA with the consent of the managements of America’s leading news organizations.
A year before Bernstein broke this story, a little outfit called "Project Censored" was started on a shoestring budget by Dr. Carl Jensen at Sonoma State University as a media literacy and critical thinking exercise applied to the news media censorship in the US. They've released their Project Censored book every year since to the sound of crickets chirping.
Of late we note the release of the movie "Kill the Messenger" about the destruction of journalist Gary Webb resulting from his exposure of the secret links between intelligence and law enforcement, the Contra war, Central American cocaine traffickers, and a domestic U.S. crack cocaine epidemic. And who destroyed him? The "liberal" New York Times, The Washington Post, and NBC News, among others. Still waiting for the outrage nearly twenty years since the event. More crickets, although the in-house agency journal had a great piece on how they "managed" the nightmare:
Thanks in part to ... “a ground base of already productive relations with journalists,” the CIA’s Public Affairs officers watched with relief as the largest newspapers in the country rescued the agency from disaster, and, in the process, destroyed the reputation of an aggressive, award-winning reporter.
Please, unless you want the latest celebrity gossip, health fads, stock picking tips, or which small and insignificant country is the next "existential threat" to our way of life, stop looking to the major media for your news. It's never going to get any better, don't look for it, be happy with what you got.
Last edited by Woodsman; February 07, 2015, 02:39 PM.
Who cares? Does it make a whit of difference who reads the news at 7:00? If Brian is replaced by another handsome clothes horse with a soothing voice, will it make the slightest dent in the reporting? Will the editorial stance changes? Will anything change except the opening credits and maybe the set? No.
The war was ginned up under false pretenses. The press were willing accomplices (see Judith Miller). They went along with the "embedded reporter" bullshit and consequently became DoD public affairs officers.
But the world get's its shorts in a bind because Brian Williams puffs himself up with a phony baloney war story. Ben Bradlee, Phil Graham, Walter Pincus, and just about every news person of note since the 1950s taking their marching orders from the piney woods of Northern Virginia; nope, they never heard of it and can't be bothered to care. But Brian Williams making himself look brave and trying to wriggle out of a lie, well that cannot stand. Brian is not the problem.
It's coming on 40 years now since Carl Bernstein exposed the myth of the "free, liberal press," but we're worried about Brian Williams.
A year before Bernstein broke this story, a little outfit called "Project Censored" was started on a shoestring budget by Dr. Carl Jensen at Sonoma State University as a media literacy and critical thinking exercise applied to the news media censorship in the US. They've released their Project Censored book every year since to the sound of crickets chirping.
Of late we note the release of the movie "Kill the Messenger" about the destruction of journalist Gary Webb resulting from his exposure of the secret links between intelligence and law enforcement, the Contra war, Central American cocaine traffickers, and a domestic U.S. crack cocaine epidemic. And who destroyed him? The "liberal" New York Times, The Washington Post, and NBC News, among others. Still waiting for the outrage nearly twenty years since the event. More crickets, although the in-house agency journal had a great piece on how they "managed" the nightmare:
Please, unless you want the latest celebrity gossip, health fads, stock picking tips, or which small and insignificant country is the next "existential threat" to our way of life, stop looking to the major media for your news. It's never going to get any better, don't look for it, be happy with what you got.
I was only talking about how Williams getting caught in such a lie puts Hillary and her supporters in a very difficult situation. Which I think is funny and I shall enjoy watching it play out. I have to take my pleasure where I can find it.
Last edited by shiny!; February 07, 2015, 06:04 PM.
Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.
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