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    Obama Wants to Now Fully Regulate the Internet as a Public Utility
    Posted on November 12, 2014 by Martin Armstrong

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    There is perhaps no President who has done more to destroy everything he has ever thought about than Barrack Obama from world peace to our constitutional rights. OMG, we cannot get rid of this idiot soon enough. Two more years may be way too long to wait. He will have us in WWIII and the Constitution shipped off to the Smithsonian displayed with original works like ”Hansel and Gretel” recorded by the Brothers Grimm published back in 1812.

    Believe it or not, Obama wants to fully regulate the internet – EVERYTHING right down to content!. Yes you read it correctly. He wants to create the effective Department of the Internet under the FCC. On Monday, Obama called on the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) that regulates TV and Radio, to reclassify the Internet as a public utility.

    Obama is now using his EXECUTIVE POWERS to seize control of the internet. This is not a democratic action voted on by the people or even their pretend representatives. No bill was drafted and introduced in the House or Senate. This is Obama using dictatorial powers that are undemocratic by their nature. This is simply a presidential decree and the major of people are too stupid to even understand what is taking place here.

    There have been no gatekeepers deciding which sites you get to access. There are no toll roads on the information superhighway. This set of principles, the idea of net neutrality, has unleashed the power of the Internet and given innovators the chance to thrive. Abandoning these principles would threaten to end the Internet as we know it. There are fools who are so naive it is shocking. Some of these people praise this regulation and cannot see plainly the government NEVER acts in the benefit of the people – it is always for their own self-interest.

    Sources state clearly that this will be a very dangerous step toward both taxation and censorship. The FCC function is to REGULATE radio and TV. They have to apply to the FCC for licenses. Why anyone would imagine that the FCC will regulate with no attached costs is beyond belief. Obama is one nasty communist and he has supported the NSA 150%. What makes you think this is a good thing is beyond belief. Obama already passed a law that if your site violates the copyright of someone else, it can be seized by the Feds and shut-down. The FCC will be the enforcer in that role as well.

    The ONLY way for the FCC can ensure traffic is “neutral” is to officially monitor the flow of traffic. That means they will have to be monitoring stations everywhere. This is a back-door to the NSA for starters. ALL emails will have to flow through the government. They will have 100% access to everything from your emails and photos to your credit cards and bank accounts.

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    But thus is just the beginning. The FCC will monitor CONTENT as well to ensure neutrality. What they do on radio and TV will be applied to the internet. Under the pretense of protecting “neutrality” they will be able to shut down political speech. Coxley’s Army who marched on Washington to protest against unemployment that formed the event for the Wizard of Oz, was broken up by arresting Coxley for walking on the grass.

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    The Occupy Wall Street movement was broken up using various laws from failure to have a permit to sleeping in a public park. The government always denies that they are responding to shut down the right to freedom of speech or assembly. Of course not. They are just protecting the grass. This is how they get in the door. Obama will use the FCC to shut down sites they do not like using some regulatory excuse as always.

    However, sites outside the USA will be beyond the jurisdiction of the FCC. So how will they “monitor” such foreign sites to ensure neutrality? They will block sites from access. This is the very same policy imposed in both China and Russia. Say goodbye to the freedom of access and freedom of speech. Obama is en route to destroy the internet.

    Bureacrats

    This means under FCC Title II of the Communications Act of 1934, Obama unilaterally wants to regulate what you now say. He will not allow a vote any more than the EU will allow free elections on the Euro. Obama is acting simply as an unconstitutional dictator. Anyone publishing on the internet would need a license and if they do not approve what you write – goodbye. You will be singing Christmas carols all year-long – Silent Night – you may change the words a bit.

    Forget free speech. Obama’s naturally claims he wants “to protect net neutrality.” That is the code word for regulating free speech just like we have free speech in the media. Oh lets see, I do not believe what you wrote was neutral or fair – that’s a fine and imprisonment. Every law has fine and imprisonment as a penalty. You will be sitting in a cell with a serial killer. He will ask you “what’s u in for”, and you will say publicly saying taxes are not fair.

    I have warned how courts have inverted the Constitution from NEGATIVE to POSITIVE. The Supreme court in HARRIS v. McRAE, 448 U.S. 297 (1980) ruled that the Constitution was NEGATIVE not POSITIVE. The argument was if you have a positive right then the government is obligated to provide you welfare or some program. The Harris court correctly ruled that the Constitution is a NEGATIVE restraint upon government, not a POSITIVE entitlement.

    This is incredibly important to understand. Courts enforce the Constitution as if it were POSITIVE. It is your obligation to demonstrate you have a POSITIVE right. This is dead wrong. The burden is on government to prove they have the right to create such legislation. But what can we do when it is the President who appoints judges? Obama should NOT be allowed to regulate the internet and then it becomes our burden to prove we have a right to free speech. This is all ass-backwards. It is unconstitutional if we ever had a real court to rule dispassionately.

    ACLU – come on. Argue real law for once! I will even help write the briefs. You cannot waive any constitutional right for that bestows upon the citizen the right the legislate ad-hoc. You cannot waive a NEGATIVE restraint upon government. That means you could waive your right to a fair trial or even life. Just say yes, the government and kill me any time they desire with no just reason. IMPOSSIBLE! Enough is enough. Come on ACLU – do something real for once.

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    This goes over there in that thread "An Unbiased Reporter."

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      Re: Obama wants to regulate the internet

      Originally posted by Thailandnotes View Post
      This goes over there in that thread "An Unbiased Reporter."
      Concur.

      from The Verge.

      Some very basic initial thoughts on President Obama's announcement today that he supports "the strongest possible rules to protect net neutrality," including reclassifying broadband as a common carrier under Title II of the Telecommunications Act:

      1. Well, finally. Title II has always been the answer to net neutrality — the plan Obama's advocating is broadly similar to the plan former FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski first proposed way back in 2010. That plan was killed by telecom companies and the right-wing media machine screaming that Obama wanted to "regulate the internet" — an argument that carries less and less weight with every passing day that consumers spend being mistreated and overcharged by their internet providers.
      2. THE FCC IS TRAPPED BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACEThe FCC is trapped between a rock and a hard place — the president, liberals, and the tech industry are now firmly in support of Title II, and conservatives and Big Cable are now firmly in support of doing nothing at all. There's no compromise coming out of this, and Tom Wheeler is going to have to move firmly in one direction or another. Given that he's an Obama appointee and there are more Democratic FCC commissioners than Republicans, it's safe to say he'll have to follow the president's lead.
      3. You can argue that regulation will kill the market for internet service all you want, but the truth is that the market simply doesn't exist, and very probably can't exist. These companies are old, they are entrenched, and they are extraordinarily good at working the system to protect their interests. In the absence of competition to keep the Verizons and Comcasts of the world honest, we need legally-sound regulation that actually reflects the way we use the internet now.
      4. The only real fights here will be over paid prioritization and throttling. The big cablecos have always supported no-blocking rules (NCTA President Michael Powell was the Republican FCC Chairman who initially proposed that rule) and Comcast itself has agreed to abide by stricter rules until 2018 as a condition of its NBC Universal purchase. You will hear a lot of bellowing from the telcos about not needing any rules and Congress being the only real place for changes of this magnitude, but the reality is far more narrow.OBAMA JUST PICKED A MAJOR FIGHT
      5. It is extraordinarily important that Obama wants wireless broadband to fall under the same rules as wired. The wireless carriers have gotten away with some of the worst nonsense in the entire game because they insist that spectrum is a scarce resource and they have to act differently, but the reality is that AT&T and Verizon are hoarding huge amounts of unused spectrum and more and more Americans are turning to mobile as their primary internet access.
      6. The timing here will be the interesting thing. Obama just picked a major fight with the ascendent Republican Party fresh off its huge midterm victories, and they're not going to let this thing just happen overnight. Expect to see this stretch well into 2015 and get muddled into the FCC / DOJ approval process for the Comcast / Time Warner Cable merger.
      7. It's always been hard to explain net neutrality to the broader public, but if this does run into the Comcast / TWC merger approval it'll get a lot easier. Comcast will be on one side of the fight, and net neutrality on the other. All anyone will have to decide is if they think Comcast should get even more powerful with less oversight. That seems like an easy choice.

      We're going to be doing a lot more reporting on this in the days and weeks ahead, but those are my first thoughts. Where else should we start digging?


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        Re: Obama wants to regulate the internet

        What is/are the real reasons behind this initiative. No, not the "fairness", "free the oppressed", insure "equal opportunity" for public consumption, but the real motives. And if the aforementioned are the real motives, has anyone seen a cogent explanation of what the new regs will actually do to achieve laudable goals?

        Cui Bono?

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          Re: Obama wants to regulate the internet

          Originally posted by vinoveri View Post
          Cui Bono?
          This one is easy. We do. It means that the "pipeline" owners can't charge us extra for every different type of data they transmit.

          Sorry, but the only reason Comcast et. al. are even fighting is because they want to make piles more money off transmitting our data than they do now.

          Who do YOU think that money is ultimately going to come from?

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            Re: Obama wants to regulate the internet

            Originally posted by astonas View Post
            This one is easy. We do. It means that the "pipeline" owners can't charge us extra for every different type of data they transmit.

            Sorry, but the only reason Comcast et. al. are even fighting is because they want to make piles more money off transmitting our data than they do now.

            Who do YOU think that money is ultimately going to come from?
            But this applies to everything now, does it not?

            OK, so what is the counter-argument from the corporates - surely they must have some rationale as part of their lobbying efforts, other that "we want mo money"

            The administration is going to stand up for the American people against the corporations .... I guess I been misjudging it all along

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              Re: Obama wants to regulate the internet

              Every deregulation effort in the past 20 years has wrapped itself in slogans that claim increased competition; increased innovation; lower prices; more jobs; and increased consumer choice.
              It works every time to remove regulations.

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                Re: Obama wants to regulate the internet

                Originally posted by vinoveri View Post
                But this applies to everything now, does it not?

                OK, so what is the counter-argument from the corporates - surely they must have some rationale as part of their lobbying efforts, other that "we want mo money"

                The administration is going to stand up for the American people against the corporations .... I guess I been misjudging it all along
                This is a small one. Probably figures he has to do something with rock-bottom approval numbers. I don't know the details, but it sounds like a bureaucratic move to preserve the status quo and prevent "fast lanes" and "slow lanes" on the internet from forming.

                Making a big deal about keeping the status quo? Sounds like a surefire way to earn political points whilst actually doing very little...

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                  Re: Obama wants to regulate the internet

                  I'll jump in here since I know this industry well.

                  I don't know the details, but it sounds like a bureaucratic move to preserve the status quo and prevent "fast lanes" and "slow lanes" on the internet from forming.
                  The fast and slow lanes already exist in spades.

                  OK, so what is the counter-argument from the corporates - surely they must have some rationale as part of their lobbying efforts, other that "we want mo money"
                  In no particular order ...

                  - Bandwidth costs money
                  - Network equipment needs to be refreshed (capital) regularly
                  - Everybody takes a cut of the action (Building owners, Municipalities, Taxes, Rights of way access, Spectrum auctions …)
                  - Incredible amounts of power are consumed for battery backup, server farms etc.
                  - Geography is not equal. Maintain a fibre network on the Prairies or in a dense city vs. The Rockies or rough terrain.
                  - Incumbents vs. Insurgents, Gov't Policy interference, FCC …
                  - It gets increasingly difficult to ensure a "service level guarantee" when so many parties are involved
                  - Don't even get me started on Force Majeure

                  I could go on and on ...

                  I for one am watching this issue with interest, as it's not yet clear to me what is being proposed … or better yet - what problem are we trying to solve?

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                    Re: Obama wants to regulate the internet

                    Originally posted by Fiat Currency View Post
                    I'll jump in here since I know this industry well.



                    The fast and slow lanes already exist in spades.



                    In no particular order ...

                    - Bandwidth costs money
                    - Network equipment needs to be refreshed (capital) regularly
                    - Everybody takes a cut of the action (Building owners, Municipalities, Taxes, Rights of way access, Spectrum auctions …)
                    - Incredible amounts of power are consumed for battery backup, server farms etc.
                    - Geography is not equal. Maintain a fibre network on the Prairies or in a dense city vs. The Rockies or rough terrain.
                    - Incumbents vs. Insurgents, Gov't Policy interference, FCC …
                    - It gets increasingly difficult to ensure a "service level guarantee" when so many parties are involved
                    - Don't even get me started on Force Majeure

                    I could go on and on ...

                    I for one am watching this issue with interest, as it's not yet clear to me what is being proposed … or better yet - what problem are we trying to solve?
                    I too know this industry.

                    No one denies what you are saying. The point is, the consumer is already paying for a certain amount of data. The ISPs want to charge based on what you are accessing. You want watch Netflix? Right now, you pay Netflix for their service, and Comcast for enough data, and you are good. Comcast would like to (1) charge Netflix to send you that data and (2) charge you extra for accessing Netflix. Or maybe they would like to block Netflix altogether so you have to buy a cable TV subscription.

                    And sadly, this arrangement would probably end up benefiting Netflix and other entrenched players in the long run. Right now, any start-up is on equal footing with Google, Netflix, Facebook, etc -- at least in terms of access. In the world the ISPs want, the entrenched players will have a huge advantage by the ability to pay off the Comcast's of the world for preferential data treatment.

                    The point is, Comcast should be free to charge more based on the amount of data. But not based on where it originates or whether it is music, video, etc.

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                      Originally posted by Munger View Post
                      I too know this industry.

                      No one denies what you are saying. The point is, the consumer is already paying for a certain amount of data. The ISPs want to charge based on what you are accessing. You want watch Netflix? Right now, you pay Netflix for their service, and Comcast for enough data, and you are good. Comcast would like to (1) charge Netflix to send you that data and (2) charge you extra for accessing Netflix. Or maybe they would like to block Netflix altogether so you have to buy a cable TV subscription.

                      And sadly, this arrangement would probably end up benefiting Netflix and other entrenched players in the long run. Right now, any start-up is on equal footing with Google, Netflix, Facebook, etc -- at least in terms of access. In the world the ISPs want, the entrenched players will have a huge advantage by the ability to pay off the Comcast's of the world for preferential data treatment.

                      The point is, Comcast should be free to charge more based on the amount of data. But not based on where it originates or whether it is music, video, etc.
                      I'd need to see the details of the administration's plan before I can comment on how well it meets the concerns above, but Munger has pretty much nailed exactly how I see the problem.

                      Common carrier status is capable of heading off these serious problems, if it is implemented in its simplest form. But as always the devil is in the details. If the final set of rules include exceptions and exemptions, it is always possible it might make things worse.

                      So far I'm feeling [very] cautiously optimistic. At least the stated intent is in generally the right direction.

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                        Re: Obama wants to regulate the internet

                        Netflix is already paying Comcast: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...01071892041790

                        http://www.wired.com/2014/02/comcast-netflix/

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                          Re: Obama wants to regulate the internet

                          Originally posted by Munger View Post
                          No one denies what you are saying. The point is, the consumer is already paying for a certain amount of data. The ISPs want to charge based on what you are accessing. You want watch Netflix? Right now, you pay Netflix for their service, and Comcast for enough data, and you are good. Comcast would like to (1) charge Netflix to send you that data and (2) charge you extra for accessing Netflix. Or maybe they would like to block Netflix altogether so you have to buy a cable TV subscription.

                          And sadly, this arrangement would probably end up benefiting Netflix and other entrenched players in the long run. Right now, any start-up is on equal footing with Google, Netflix, Facebook, etc -- at least in terms of access. In the world the ISPs want, the entrenched players will have a huge advantage by the ability to pay off the Comcast's of the world for preferential data treatment.

                          The point is, Comcast should be free to charge more based on the amount of data. But not based on where it originates or whether it is music, video, etc.
                          Good points. Bandwidth costs money. There are times of the day where it should cost more than others. A basic internet connection for communication on iTulip or Facebook or Twitter, costs almost nothing. But if I want to sit back and watch a marathon of "The Walking Dead", that's an intense bandwidth elective and it costs everyone money. Wireless phone companies seem to have come up with plans that work well enough and, of course, we all piggy back those plans on our unlimited use of wifi. The value of our ISP, (Comcast), is availability, maximum bandwidth, and total use for X period. It's simple, not unlike buying electricity. They should price it that way.

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                            Originally posted by santafe2 View Post
                            Wireless phone companies seem to have come up with plans that work well enough
                            "The Price of 500MB of Mobile Data Across the World..."

                            http://gizmodo.com/the-price-of-500m...rld-1442047579

                            switching to ISP...

                            Depending on who you believe, the cost for a large incumbent ISP to deliver one gigabyte of data — when you factor in fixed costs like fibre optic cables and networking gear, as well as operating costs such as technicians and electricity — can range anywhere from a few pennies to between 10¢ and 15¢ per GB.

                            Netflix, for example, has claimed the cost is about 1¢ per GB. Other analysts told the Financial Post the rough average is closer to 10¢ per GB. Incumbents contend it’s much more than that. The truth likely lies somewhere in the middle.

                            http://business.financialpost.com/20..._lsa=ede3-82db

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                              'cui bono?' how long do want it to take for an itulip page to load? itulip is not exactly a big player on the internet. the loss of net neutrality means you might not be able to load this website at all.

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