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    They might end corporate welfare! That would be a good start. Personally I still don't trust either party to help the middle class and elevate the poor.

    What If Republicans Win?


    We’ll never ‘have the moral authority to deal with social welfare if we can’t deal with corporate welfare.’

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    Jeb Hensarling may be the most important Republican elected official you’ve never heard of. He will become even more important if his party wins control of the U.S. Senate in November’s elections, two weeks from this Tuesday. He’s also a leading candidate to eventually succeed John Boehner as House speaker.
    So it’s a good moment to sit down with the Texan, who represents a district near Dallas and is now chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, to talk about the political possibilities and strategy. He believes the GOP is “poised for a good election” but not a great one. Good because President Obama is ineffectual and unpopular. Not great because Republicans haven’t talked enough about their plans to encourage job creation and rising incomes.
    But if Republicans do win a majority, count Mr. Hensarling among those who think they will have to do more than stymie Mr. Obama for his final two years. They’ll have to produce legislation, he says, putting bills on the president’s desk that he will have to sign or veto. The political trick will be calculating what to pass that Mr. Obama might conceivably sign, and what to pass anyway to educate the country and prepare for the 2016 election.
    Together with Rep. Paul Ryan (R., Wis.), who is expected to become chairman of the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee, Mr. Hensarling will drive economic policy in the House. A cerebral veteran lawmaker who opposed the bank bailouts, he carries the respect of both tea party conservatives and establishment moderates within the GOP.
    He’ll need that credibility because he is aggressive in sketching out a 2015 legislative agenda for faster economic growth. The common theme he stresses with Journal editors is liberating people from bureaucracy, whether they are seeking a mortgage, buying health insurance, crossing America’s southern border to make an honest living in the U.S. or simply filling out their tax returns.
    This last one provides an opportunity to liberate Americans from billions of hours of unproductive labor. “Nothing says economic growth like fundamental tax reform,” says Mr. Hensarling. The idea is to slash tax rates, along with loopholes, to enact a simpler, more user-friendly tax system.
    Contrary to much Washington wisdom, including among conservative pundits, he says tax reform is possible in 2015 not only because the IRS is in such ill repute, but also because Republicans will have no excuse for inaction if they control both houses of Congress. “It’s a put-up or shut-up moment for us,” he says.
    An early gut check for Republican reformers will come next year when Congress will decide whether to once again reauthorize the Export-Import Bank, a monument to crony capitalism that provides cheap financing for selected international trade deals.
    Mr. Hensarling views the Ex-Im battle “somewhat as a precursor to the tax reform fight because there are so many vested corporate interests” served by the current tax code: “If we can’t get rid of this agency and the corporate welfare it represents, how will House Republicans ever muster the intestinal fortitude to be able to do fundamental tax reform?” He adds, with some political poignancy, “I don’t know how we will ever have the moral authority to deal with social welfare if we can’t deal with corporate welfare.”
    On the Financial Services Committee, Mr. Hensarling has been quietly crafting bipartisan reform bills that now lie buried in Majority Leader Harry Reid ’s Democratic Senate. But if Republicans control the upper chamber after November, Mr. Hensarling suddenly will have someone to work with, probably Alabama’s Richard Shelby, who is expected to become chairman of the Banking Committee in a GOP Senate.
    Mr. Hensarling sees an opportunity to revisit the 2010 Dodd-Frank law, which was drafted in haste after the financial crisis and was falsely promoted as an end to too-big-to-fail banks. Mr. Hensarling says that “given the state of the economy, people are taking a second look” at both the law and the story they were sold by its authors. “We’ve all heard about Wall Street greed. I think people are now starting to be a little bit more sensitized to Washington greed—the greed for power and control over our lives and our economy.”
    He notes that consumers aren’t pleased with the results: Free checking and credit-card perks are disappearing, and more generally the economy is lagging. Mr. Obama’s approval ratings on economic policy are down, and Mr. Hensarling thinks one reason is the burden on lending and small community banks by Dodd-Frank’s “sheer weight, volume, complexity and number of regulations.”
    He is particularly focused on the law’s Financial Stability Oversight Council—which can vote to rescue certain huge corporations it deems “systemically important”—and on the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), which he calls “the single most unaccountable agency in the history of America.” Housed within the Federal Reserve, it draws funding from the Fed but doesn’t answer to any Fed officials, or to congressional appropriators, or to a bipartisan commission, as most independent agencies do. The bureau is run by a single director who cannot be removed unless the president can show cause.
    Mr. Hensarling also notes that the Bureau doesn’t even have true oversight by the courts because of the Supreme Court’s Chevron legal doctrine that compels judges to show deference to the bureau’s decisions. This lack of accountability may be why the bureau has been constructing what Mr. Hensarling calls “the Taj Mahal” to serve as its Beltway headquarters.
    Mr. Hensarling believes the CFPB’s lack of accountability is also leading to “consumer protections” that Americans don’t want or need. Once the bureau’s rules are fully implemented, he says, “one third of all blacks and Hispanics” will “no longer be able to buy the homes that they have traditionally been able to buy. We are protecting them out of their homes! The qualified-mortgage rule should have been called ‘quitting mortgages’ because that’s what it’s all about. So I think I’ve got the argument that is very compelling and people feel it,” says Mr. Hensarling. “They’re less free and less prosperous.”
    Does this put him in the company of affordable-housing advocates who favor degraded underwriting standards for politically favored demographic groups?
    “Possibly, yes,” he says. “I don’t want degraded standards. I want market standards. I don’t want government fiat standards. I don’t want one view coming out of Washington on what acceptable mortgage risk is.” Because, he adds, that view is guaranteed to be wrong.
    Will he try to put a repeal of the CFPB on Mr. Obama’s desk next year? “It would be a very different CFPB,” he replies. “I want government to vigorously police our markets” and it’s not necessarily a bad idea to have this function centralized in one department. “What is bad is giving an unelected, unaccountable bureaucrat the unilateral power to essentially decide what credit cards go in our wallets, what mortgages we can have on our homes, which is exactly what CFPB is doing.”
    What about the stability council in Dodd-Frank? Would a GOP Congress vote to repeal it?
    “I would hope so,” Mr. Hensarling says, and he expects such a plan would enjoy “a little more bipartisan buy-in.” He’s willing to seek whatever reforms to the law can attract 60 votes in the Senate. “Absolutely, whatever the market will bear. I came here to make a difference, not to make a speech,” he says. He’d like to combine a repeal of this big-bank rescuer with a new bankruptcy plan for large financial firms crafted by the House Judiciary Committee, along with requirements that banks hold more capital.
    In fact, he’s already agreed with liberal Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters on dozens of modest reforms to financial laws that provide regulatory relief, even though the two lawmakers “come fairly close to representing ideological bookends of the United States House of Representatives.”
    He’s particularly optimistic about being able to lessen the bureaucratic load on small banks next year. And he thinks a housing-finance reform that ends the dominant role of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is possible as well, provided Democrats don’t demand “another affordable housing slush fund on steroids.”
    But why would Democrats cooperate with any of this, given the political benefit they seem to see in blaming Republicans for obstructing the president’s agenda? “I don’t think that is selling like it once did,” he says. “I don’t want to hurt their careers so they shall remain nameless, but there are a number of Democrats on my committee who have indicated an interest in working on certain issues. It’s always a tough thing to do, and a lot of times you don’t want to do it unless you think that ultimately you can make a difference because you end up taking flak from your party.”
    He adds that “there are some Democrats on that committee that have done some pretty good work on some issues. Now they still tend to vote the party line because they don’t think this would see the light of day and thus it is not worth the risk for them to step out, but they’re there.”
    Beyond Mr. Hensarling’s committee, he says the GOP agenda next year should include “making ObamaCare optional.” And the Texan would like to see immigration reform that allows more H-1B visas for high-tech workers and also creates a “vibrant guest-worker program” for low-skill workers who want to come here to work in agriculture for example.
    He also favors more border security but says that doesn’t mean a physical wall is required over the entire length of our southern border. He believes a good guest-worker program is a form of border security because it allows law enforcement to focus on catching criminals and terrorists: “Less hay to find the needles.” This focus on immigration’s economic benefits is consistent with his free-market principles, though it puts him at odds with the drift of many Republicans who are falling for the fallacy that there are a finite number of jobs in the country and every immigrant robs a job from someone already here. Mr. Hensarling acknowledges the drift but thinks a GOP Congress would still be able to move piecemeal immigration reform to Mr. Obama’s desk.
    Mr. Hensarling recounts walking at his local July Fourth parade this year and noticing a woman come running at him from the curb. As a public official he’s learned this “is either a very good thing or a very bad thing.” But she had a smile on her face and said in a thick accent, “I had to learn your name for my citizenship test and I’ve always wanted to meet you.”
    When he asked where she was from, the woman said, “Russia. And I love freedom.”
    “Welcome home,” he replied.




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    Re: What If The Republicans Win?

    Better to light a candle, even a small one, than to curse the darkness. If the Repubs win big, it could open the sixth seal... or IF the dems' managers decide to cooperate to a certain extent in order to prepare for 2016, and they can convince Obama to go along, then we might see some beneficial changes; that are actually beneficial to the public in general, that is. And all that is assuming that the Repub leadership actually carries through on promises to seek honest reform. So I'd give it about 30% chance of happening, which is still better than nothing.
    "I love a dog, he does nothing for political reasons." --Will Rogers

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    • #3
      Re: What If The Republicans Win?

      What the heck are you gentleman talking about? The bird of state is an eagle with two right wings.

      The GOP won and won decisively decades ago. There hasn't been one viable center left candidate for President since Gary Hart and prior to that all of the national leaders were systematically gunned down by lone nut gunmen. There's nobody here but us right wingers.

      The GOP moved the terms of debate so far to the right that what today is considered centrist, in my youth was far right. Back in the day, the John Birch Society and their vile poison was recognized for what it was by most Americans, even before Buckley wrote them out of the movement (wink, wink, as if). Now that the sons of JBS founder Fred Koch have mastered PR and bought the political process, Daddy Koch's views are mainstream. In 50 years the center has gone from being firmly planted on the left and is now to the far right, mostly through the manipulations of right wing foundations owned and operated by the likes of the Koch's. Their program and ideology went from:

      --Unthinkable
      --Radical
      --Acceptable
      --Sensible
      --Popular
      --Policy

      The right annihilated any meaningful opposition on the center and left. Seeing what happened to the Kennedys and King (and to a lesser degree, other center left candidates), politicians on the left retrenched and were either coopted for cash or settled for identity politics. Much safer that way.

      Except for a handful of congressman and senators, we can choose between moderate conservatives, right wing conservatives and extreme right wing conservatives. We've had a succession of right wing presidents, some Democrats, mostly Republicans. And even the "socialist" Obama would pass for a garden variety moderate Republican of years past. Look it; his signature legislation is based on a GOP governor's plan (Romneycare) which has its intellectual roots in a GOP plan put forth by Sen. Chafee in response to Clintoncare.

      Gore Vidal called it in 1975 in his book "State of the Union"

      There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party . . . and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt — until recently . . . and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties.
      And if Obama's administration hasn't convinced us that there is no substantive difference between the two parties, I very much doubt anything will. What if the GOP wins? Expect no changes in anything substantive, except perhaps an acceleration of current trends.

      We are not going to vote our way out of this problem.

      Last edited by Woodsman; October 20, 2014, 07:47 PM.

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      • #4
        Re: What If The Republicans Win?

        Woodsman,

        It's clear in the article that a Republican leader is now on record in favor of ending corporate welfare. What's wrong with that?

        It may not be Nixon to China for headline shock, but it could be good news for the 99%.

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        • #5
          Re: What If The Republicans Win?

          Originally posted by vt View Post
          Woodsman,

          It's clear in the article that a Republican leader is now on record in favor of ending corporate welfare. What's wrong with that?

          It may not be Nixon to China for headline shock, but it could be good news for the 99%.
          How can you tell when a politician is lying? His lips are moving.

          “Nothing says economic growth like fundamental tax reform,” says Mr. Hensarling. The idea is to slash tax rates, along with loopholes, to enact a simpler, more user-friendly tax system.

          Hmmmm... where've I heard that before? Oh, right! Newt Gingrich of the Contract With America/Republican Revolution promising that if we elected them in '94 they would make the tax code so simple that we could all file our taxes on a postcard.

          Republicans simplifying the tax code and ending corporate welfare? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

          Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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          • #6
            Re: What If The Republicans Win?

            Remember when Pandora opened her box and released all the evils into the world and Hope was left in the bottom of the box? Hope wasn't in that box because it was good. Hope was in there with all the evils because it's an evil! Hopium is a drug.

            Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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            • #7
              Re: What If The Republicans Win?

              Yes, one shouldn't believe it until it is done. But now he is now on record as saying it, so he can be called on it if it doesn't move forward.

              Rare politicians of either party have kept promises. Both parties are a part of FIRE.

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              • #8
                Re: What If The Republicans Win?

                Not great because Republicans haven’t talked enough about their plans to encourage job creation and rising incomes.
                What a joke. Republicans talk plenty. The problem with Republicans is that they lack morals and a spine.

                The right annihilated any meaningful opposition on the center and left. Seeing what happened to the Kennedys and King (and to a lesser degree, other center left candidates), politicians on the left retrenched and were either coopted for cash or settled for identity politics. Much safer that way.
                Uh..... ok.

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                • #9
                  Re: What If The Republicans Win?

                  I think by the grunting, you might be saying "Woods, you're weird and crazy for entertaining such ideas" but I'm just guessing and don't want to put words (or utterances, whatever) in your mouth. And by Republicans lacking "morals and spine" I presume you mean to say that they're not conservative enough for your tastes, but again, it's hard to really know.

                  I'm sorry, I know I can be thick sometimes, but is there a point you like to make?

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                  • #10
                    Re: What If The Republicans Win?

                    The best scenario would be the status quo. That way, nothing would get done. There would be no new spending and no new programs. We would have continued gridlock/stability coming from Washington.

                    Even better for the nation, and my pile of lucky charms, would be a few more tea party republicans in CONgress. The more gridlock the better. The next gold peak should be around the time of the Great Debt Ceiling Debacle . It should be epic.

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                    • #11
                      Re: What If The Republicans Win?

                      Originally posted by vt View Post
                      Yes, one shouldn't believe it until it is done. But now he is now on record as saying it, so he can be called on it if it doesn't move forward.

                      Rare politicians of either party have kept promises. Both parties are a part of FIRE.
                      They break their promises (to us) as soon as they get to Washington. Why? Because they get richer by breaking their promises to us than by keeping their promises to us. Has that changed? Not a whit. So will their behavior change? Not a whit. Our power to "call them on it" is really not something that keeps them up at night.

                      What good does it do to call them on their broken promises? Once they're in office we're stuck with them and they know it. The problem at that point is that lying, venal thieves have once again been dutifully put into office where they are free to whore themselves out to those who would ravage our country for another term. They can keep doing this until there is nothing left because an increasingly desperate electorate is "hooked on hope" that when they say, "this time I really, really mean it," they really do.

                      Insanity is expecting different results from the same behavior.

                      Jeb Hensarling's Top 20 Financial Contributors:

                      1 JPMorgan Chase & Co
                      2 Rent-A-Center
                      3 Akin, Gump et al
                      4 London Bay Capital
                      5 Exxon Mobil
                      6 Goldman Sachs
                      7 DMP Investments
                      8 Bank of New York Mellon
                      8 World Acceptance Corp
                      10 New York Life Insurance
                      11 Bank of America
                      11 Ford Motor Co
                      13 Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance
                      13 UBS AG
                      15 McQueary, Henry et al
                      16 McGraw Hill Financial
                      17 Cash America International
                      17 Comerica Inc
                      17 Council of Insurance Agents & Brokers
                      17 Independent Community Bankers of America

                      Jeb Hensarling, House Finance Chair, Goes On Ski Vacation With Wall Street
                      by Justin Elliott ProPublica, April 30, 2013, 9:55 a.m.

                      In January, Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas, ascended to the powerful chairmanship of the House Financial Services Committee. Six weeks later, campaign finance filings and interviews show, Hensarling was joined by representatives of the banking industry for a ski vacation fundraiser at a posh Park City, Utah, resort.

                      The congressman's political action committee held the fundraiser at the St. Regis Deer Valley, the "Ritz-Carlton of ski resorts" known for its "white-glove service" and for its restaurant by superstar chef Jean-Georges Vongerichten.

                      There's no evidence the fundraiser broke any campaign finance rules. But a ski getaway with Hensarling, whose committee oversees both Wall Street and its regulators, is an invaluable opportunity for industry lobbyists.

                      Among those attending the weekend getaway was an official from the American Securitization Forum, a Wall Street industry group, a spokesman confirmed. It gave $2,500 in February to Hensarling's political action committee, the Jobs, Economy, and Budget (JEB) Fund.

                      Len Wolfson, a lobbyist for the Mortgage Bankers Association, which gave the JEB Fund $5,000 that month, posted a picture on Instagram from the weekend of the fundraiser of the funicular at the St. Regis. (It was labeled, "Putting the #fun in #funicular. #stregis #deervalley #utah.") Wolfson did not respond to requests for comment.

                      Visa, which gave the JEB Fund $5,000, also sent an official. A Visa spokesman told ProPublica that in attendance were not just finance companies, but also big retailers and others.

                      Hensarling, a protégé of former Texas senator and famed deregulator Phil Gramm, has a mixed record regarding Wall Street. While he has been critical of "too big to fail" banks and voted against the 2008 bailout, Hensarling recently said he opposed downsizing big banks, according to Bloomberg. That stance matters now more than ever as a bipartisan duo in the Senate, David Vitter, R-La., and Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, introduced a bill last week seeking to constrain the too-big-to-fail institutions. While the bill is considered a longshot, it has provoked intense opposition from the industry.

                      Meanwhile, Hensarling recently barred the head of the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau from appearing before the House Financial Services Committee, citing a legal cloud over recess appointments made by President Obama.

                      Whatever his stance on the industry, Hensarling has been more than happy to court Wall Street's money.

                      Donors working in various financial industries are Hensarling's biggest supporters, giving him over $1 million dollars in the last election cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. The congressman's office did not respond to requests for comment.
                      Others donating to Hensarling's JEB Fund around the time of the Utah ski weekend: Capital One; Credit Suisse; PricewaterhouseCoopers; MasterCard; UBS; US Bank; the National Association of Federal Credit Unions; Koch Industries, which is involved in sundry financial trading; the National Pawnbrokers Association; and payday lenders Cash America International and CheckSmart Financial. All either declined to comment or did not respond to requests.

                      A spokeswoman for one large bank that donated $5,000, Alabama-based Regions Financial, told ProPublica the company doesn't discuss events employees attend for "a number of reasons, including security."

                      Also donating $5,000 to Hensarling's political committee around the time of the ski weekend was Steve Clark, a lobbyist for JP Morgan and the industry group the Financial Services Roundtable. (In 2011, a memo written by Clark and his partners for the American Bankers Association proposed an $850,000 public-relations strategy to undermine Occupy Wall Street. It leaked to MSNBC; the plan had apparently never been executed.)

                      Clark didn't respond to requests for comment.

                      The ski weekend was a large, apparently family-friendly affair. A Utah entertainment booker told ProPublica she had hired two caricature artists for a Feb. 23 event at the St. Regis for a group of 100, including 20 children. Hensarling's JEB Fund, paid the bill. The fund also reported spending about $1,000 on "gifts and mementos" at Deer Valley as well as charges at the upscale restaurant Talisker on Main.

                      Campaigns and political action committees of a few other GOP congressmen also show charges totaling more than $50,000 at the St. Regis around that time: House Rules Committee Chairman Pete Sessions of Texas; House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp of Michigan; and National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman Greg Walden of Oregon. None responded to requests for comment.

                      This is at least the second consecutive year that Hensarling has attended a fundraiser at Deer Valley. During the same February congressional recess last year, the National Republican Congressional Committee hosted a "Park City Ski Weekend" for Hensarling along with Sessions and Walden. Hensarling's JEB Fund also reported about $60,000 paid to the St. Regis Deer Valley in the last election cycle. (The NRCC said it did not sponsor this year's event.)

                      The Texan congressman has long had a taste for mixing skiing and politics. On the same February weekend in 2009, for example, Hensarling's political action committee invited donors "to the second annual 2018JEB Fund Takes Jackson'" ski weekend for a minimum contribution of $2,500. The setting was the Snake River Lodge and Spa in Jackson, Wyoming, which boasted "wintertime activities fun for the entire family" including dog sledding tours and sleigh rides, according to the invitation.

                      Reporting contributed by Al Shaw.

                      Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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                      • #12
                        Re: What If The Republicans Win?

                        They're all captured by FIRE, from the top down:

                        http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/co...?cid=N00009638

                        The Democrats seem to get a lot of support from heavy hitter corporations and groups:

                        https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

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                        • #13
                          Re: What If The Republicans Win?

                          Originally posted by vt View Post
                          They're all captured by FIRE, from the top down:
                          No argument, but one seems a bit more "captured" than the other:

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                          • #14
                            Re: What If The Republicans Win?

                            The American Dream By Joe the Angry Hawaiian





                            This is from the Big Island. The natives seem restless.


                            "Democracy in a free market capitalistic society today only exists in the imaginations of sleep-walkers in the American Dream. The idea of honest, hard work being suitably rewarded has become a mind-numbing slogan that is now just beginning to wear off in the minds of some Americans.

                            While Americans were working and playing hard, our representational democracy has evolved into a political system that has been completely and utterly bought by the moneyed interests, and is now a protection racket for their accumulation of wealth and advantageous positions of power and influence. We live in a land where untaxed off-shored wealth is ignored, and the whole tax system has been customized to suit their personal needs.

                            We live in a fictitious land where multi-national corporations are legally given Frankenstein-like status as a red-blooded American, and their money has become their vocal chords. Politicians, while posturing that they are working for the people, are nothing but lobbyists for the rich, which most of them are, or assured to be upon leaving office to be rewarded with speaking fees, or think tank positions by their powerful benefactors.

                            This unreal, and unjust dream-land is kept alive by obscuring smoke and brightly lit mirrors of the mass media that is completely controlled by a relatively few corporate interests. Combined with idealized statistics provided by the government we have been lulled into an illusion that is both numbing and dumbing. To realize there is even a problem, attention spans must be able to last for longer than a 60 second advertisement.

                            The hard rock reality of the great American experiment is being felt by most everyone with a wallet or purse. The financial system is run by the un-Federal Reserve Banks. The privately owned US Central Bank gives money which they make out of thin air to the boys who run the biggest Banks for less than .25%. As the statistics reveal, this money rarely goes far from the hands of the rich. Their fingers grasp this money so tightly that the so called trickle is now a mere tiny dribble that seeps slowly to those below.

                            The US dollar is a fiat money con-game sustained by the illusion of American exceptionalism. This confidence in America as a moral force for good has been destroyed by its self-serving hypocrisy, its torture, the poor performance of its political drama queens, and endless wars without end. But things are changing. No longer can the US declare an economic embargo that brings countries to their knees, especially since the US itself is up to it's myopic third eye in debt.

                            I believe the problem that we will be facing soon enough is not the economic imbalance of the rich and poor in this country. This unequal lopsidedness can be maintained for many years, especially with a militarized police force.

                            The real problem is those beyond the reach of the system like Russia and China and the rest of the BRICS. When they decide that they have had enough of our self-serving antics, and renounce the US dollar as the world currency, then folks, that's when we have a problem.

                            Until then nothing changes, since most members of our society can't even remember there is problem or what caused it.

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                            • #15
                              Re: What If The Republicans Win?

                              In my job with a fortune 500 company for the appearance of no conflicts of interest, I cannot accept any gift given to me by a vendor over $20.00. I used to get to go golfing once in a while, or taken to lunch. No more. I did get a discontinued vendor polo shirt a few years ago.

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