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    some wondered if he would ever re-surface . . .


    The U.S. today began bombing targets inside Syria, in concert with its lovely and inspiring group of five allied regimes: Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, and Jordan.

    That means that Syria becomes the 7th predominantly Muslim country bombed by 2009 Nobel Peace Laureate Barack Obama—after Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and Iraq.

    The utter lack of interest in what possible legal authority Obama has to bomb Syria is telling indeed: Empires bomb who they want, when they want, for whatever reason (indeed, recall that Obama bombed Libya even after Congress explicitly voted against authorization to use force, and very few people seemed to mind that abject act of lawlessness; constitutional constraints are not for warriors and emperors).

    It was just over a year ago that Obama officials were insisting that bombing and attacking Assad was a moral and strategic imperative. Instead, Obama is now bombing Assad’s enemies while politely informing his regime of its targets in advance. It seems irrelevant on whom the U.S. wages war; what matters it that it be at war, always and forever.

    Six weeks of bombing hasn’t budged ISIS in Iraq, but it has caused ISIS recruitment to soar. That’s all predictable: the U.S. has known for years that what fuels and strengthens anti-American sentiment (and thus anti-American extremism) is exactly what they keep doing: aggression in that region. If you know that, then they know that. At this point, it’s more rational to say they do all of this not despite triggering those outcomes, but because of it. Continuously creating and strengthening enemies is a feature, not a bug. It is what justifies the ongoing greasing of the profitable and power-vesting machine of Endless War.

    If there is anyone who actually believes that the point of all of this is a moral crusade to vanquish the evil-doers of ISIS (as the U.S. fights alongside its close Saudi friends), please read Professor As’ad AbuKhalil’s explanation today of how Syria is a multi-tiered proxy war. As the disastrous Libya “intervention” should conclusively and permanently demonstrate, the U.S. does not bomb countries for humanitarian objectives. Humanitarianism is the pretense, not the purpose.

    glenn.greenwald@theintercept.com

  • #2
    Re: Greenwald Sighting

    Originally posted by don View Post
    some wondered if he would ever re-surface . . .

    What? He's been very active.

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    • #3
      Re: Greenwald Sighting

      Originally posted by Chomsky View Post
      What? He's been very active.
      what about matt ?

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      • #4
        Re: Greenwald Sighting

        Originally posted by lektrode View Post
        what about matt ?

        Taibbi? He must be busy putting together his new online publication, due to launch this fall. He hasn't been that busy on Twitter, even. He was on Max Keiser last month.

        http://rt.com/op-edge/182896-mortgag...erguson-angry/

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        • #5
          Re: Greenwald Sighting

          am I mixing our 2 muckrakers together? Yikes!



          US ties itself in legal knots to cover shifting rationale for Syria strikes

          Lawyers use Iraq’s right of self-defence and weakness of Syrian regime – which US has undermined – to justify failure to seek UN approval

          US government lawyers have invoked Iraq’s right to self-defence and the weakness of the Assad regime as twin justifications for US bombing in Syria, in a feat of legal acrobatics that may reopen questions over its right to intervene in the bitter civil war.

          In a letter to the United Nations secretary general, Ban Ki-moon, released near 24 hours after attacks began, US ambassador Samantha Power argued that the threat to Iraq from Islamic State, known as Isis or Isil, gave the US and its allies in the region an automatic right to attack on its behalf.

          “Iraq has made clear that it is facing a serious threat of continuing attacks from Isil coming out of safe havens in Syria,” Power wrote.

          “The government of Iraq has asked that the United States lead international efforts to strike Isil sites and military strongholds in Syria in order to end the continuing attacks on Iraq, to protect Iraqi citizens and ultimately to enable and arm Iraqi forces to perform their task of regaining control of the Iraqi borders.”

          The brief letter did not mention the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, which rested on erroneous claims of weapons of mass destruction and arguably contributed to its current instability, but stresses instead the country’s right to self-defence in the face of this new threat.

          “The United States has initiated necessary and proportionate military actions in Syria in order to eliminate the ongoing Isil threat to Iraq, including by protecting Iraqi citizens from further attacks and by enabling Iraqi forces to regain control of Iraq’s borders,” it said.

          The US also argued that there was legal right to pursue Isis inside Syria due to the weakness of that country’s government – a regime the US has been actively urging be undermined by rebel groups for much of the past two years.

          “States must be able to defend themselves, in accordance with the inherent right on individual and collective self-defence, as reflected in article 51 of the UN Charter, when, as is the case here, the government of the state where the threat is located is unwilling or unable to prevent the use of its territory for such attacks,” Power wrote.

          The legal circumlocutions to avoid requesting a UN security council resolution match similar efforts to avoid requesting specific legal authority from Congress.

          Fearing that US politicians up for re-election in November may balk at voting for a third military attack on Iraq and being sucked into a Syrian quagmire, the White House has avoided seeking a fresh authorisation of the use of military force, preferring to rely on early authorisations against al-Qaida granted after the 11 September 2001 attacks.

          But this means arguing that Isis is equivalent to al-Qaida, even though the groups are split – logic that several critics in Congress, such as Virginia senator Tim Kaine, have argued is flawed and requires a fresh authorisation to fix.

          Power reached for similar arguments in her letter to the UN, arguing that Tuesday’s separate attack on Khorasan rebels in Syria was also an act of self defence by the US due to the group’s closeness to al-Qaida.

          “The United States has initiated military actions in Syria against al-Qaida elements in Syria known as the Khorosan Group to address terrorist threats that they pose to the United States and our partners and allies,” she wrote.

          “Isil and other terrorist groups in Syria are a threat not only to Iraq but also to many other countries, including the United States and our partners in the region and beyond,” Power’s letter said.

          Recent testimony by US intelligence and homeland security officials in Washington has acknowledged that Syrian groups such as Isis are not known to be planning any direct attacks on the US.

          Earlier justifications for attacking Isis in Iraq rested instead on the argument that the US needed to defend its personnel in the country, even though many had been moved to the north of the country specifically to tackle the group.

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          • #6
            Re: Greenwald Sighting

            Originally posted by don View Post
            am I mixing our 2 muckrakers together? Yikes!

            hey - wierder schtuff has been known to happen, eh mr don?

            and... WHOOOPS,
            derrière it is...
            US ties itself in legal knots to cover shifting rationale for Syria strikes

            .....US government lawyers have invoked Iraq’s right to self-defence and the weakness of the Assad regime as twin justifications for US bombing in Syria, in a feat of legal acrobatics that may reopen questions over its right to intervene in the bitter civil war......
            yeah - kinda like the same feats of flying/tumbling thru the air 'at 40000feet' that resulted in pretty much nuthin happnin to the perps of the biggest scam in all of world history (while the architect of the farce known as 'justice enforcement' bows out today - dont spose even he's had enough - or maybe has 'insider info' that aint gonna flatter the boss; read: just MORE news we WONT be seeing on the lamerstream media...)

            saw something the other day about how the 'nobel peace prez' has now launched attacks on SEVEN muslim countries

            would suppose by now even THEY know he's fulla you that know what... uhhh... schtuff.
            Last edited by lektrode; September 25, 2014, 12:05 PM.

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            • #7
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              Originally posted by Chomsky View Post
              Taibbi? He must be busy putting together his new online publication, due to launch this fall. He hasn't been that busy on Twitter, even. He was on Max Keiser last month.
              i just hope this isnt an example of how his otherwise excellent work/efforts are being 're-directed'

              http://rt.com/op-edge/182896-mortgag...erguson-angry/

              RT: It seems that financial scandals created enormous dislocations in society. And now we are seeing the result in places like Ferguson.


              Matt Taibbi: Absolutely. Writing about this for years, in a way poor black communities in places like Ferguson, they were the marks in the entire subprime mortgage scam, and I realized how it worked. Going back to the Bush years and we start talking about an ownership society, this wasn’t banks doing it for altruistic reasons, this was all about money. What they are really doing is they were creating millions and millions of subprime loans, and then they were mismarking them essentially and selling them to investors around the world – hedge funds, pension funds, foreign trade unions. But the whole thing depended upon creating millions and millions of loans and somebody had to sign their names on the dotted line.

              RT: Now it seems that this eruption of violence isn’t coming from nowhere, i.e. Ferguson was a predictable result of what happens when you disenfranchise people, right?

              MT: These people were disenfranchised in several different ways throughout this process. Number one: they were some sort of accidental victims of the larger scam.....

              RT: In your books you have been attacking the center of this problem, which is the corrupt culture in big money banks, and there is no attempt to introduce penalties, so it just grows. So you are trying to bring this idea to a greater public, right?

              MT: Think about it, if you had a militarized police presence swarming in the lower Manhattan in all the places where capitalism works and every investment banker was stopped every ten minutes on his way to work and have his briefcase inspected, they would be a revolt in a second. Of course there would be violence; they would like to take it somewhere else with all this stuff. In reality they are only doing that in urban centers where they have an incredible police presence in all these places, and it is extremely minor crimes that are being policed so heavily. Meanwhile, these incredibly consequential national-international scams were going totally unpunished. Even if people don’t know the specifics of why that is happening, they can still feel it, people feel that investor bankers are getting away with no penalties or they are writing a check for it to go away. Of course they are going to be angry.
              and this barely touches on whats happening DAILY in lots of urban areas...

              and what do we get out of the lamerstream media - just MORE OF THE SAME!!
              (when they arent focusing on 'marriage' rights...)

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              • #8
                Re: Greenwald Sighting

                Originally posted by lektrode View Post

                hey - wierder schtuff has been known to happen, eh mr don?

                and... WHOOOPS,
                derrière it is...

                yeah - kinda like the same feats of flying/tumbling thru the air 'at 40000feet' that resulted in pretty much nuthin happnin to the perps of the biggest scam in all of world history (while the architect of the farce known as 'justice enforcement' bows out today - dont spose even he's had enough - or maybe has 'insider info' that aint gonna flatter the boss; read: just MORE news we WONT be seeing on the lamerstream media...)

                saw something the other day about how the 'nobel peace prez' has now launched attacks on SEVEN muslim countries

                would suppose by now even THEY know he's fulla you that know what... uhhh... schtuff.
                Mr "Mission Accomplished" is proud. (and there's a difference?)

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                • #9
                  Re: Greenwald Sighting

                  Originally posted by don View Post
                  Mr "Mission Accomplished" is proud. (and there's a difference?)
                  to hear/read it thruout the lamerstream chattering class spectrum - particularly during the summer of 2008?
                  nears i can recall it was ALL ABOUT 'vive la difference' - was it not?

                  i also happen to believe that the PTB, which somehow suddenly morphed into TBTF - knew what was coming (after bear sterns melted down) and purposely drove the markets over the cliff - since the party in power nearly always loses when the economy tanks - does it not? - and eye've yet to see anything (here or elsewhere) since that counters that view/suspicion...

                  have you?
                  i'm all eyeballs, mr don.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Greenwald Sighting

                    i can recall it was ALL ABOUT 'vive la difference'
                    Who, with half a brain, can't. It's poli-sci 101 . . . .

                    Think we'll hear about 'big changes' in the next prez election?

                    The historical record is rational continuity, not election-driven change.

                    We live in an oligarchy. The best advice is accept and move on . . . .

                    Last edited by don; October 06, 2014, 05:57 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Greenwald Sighting

                      Originally posted by don View Post
                      Who, with half a brain, can't. It's poli-sci 101 . . . .
                      well, 'you know me'
                      being one of them dyin breeds an all = a voc-techie grad, we dint git the 'benefits' of much of that 'high falutin science' schtuff

                      ;)

                      Think we'll hear about 'big changes' in the next prez election?

                      The historical record is rational continuity, not election-driven change.

                      We live in an oligarchy. The best advice is accept and move on . . . .
                      to what, is the question...

                      to the 'brave new world' - where the political aristocracy and their handmaidens in the lamerstream media op/ed depts pave the way for them?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Greenwald Sighting

                        to what, is the question...
                        Exactly, Lek. Maybe we can get somewhere when our energies aren't diverted by pointless wishing on a partisan star . . . .

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                        • #13
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                          ...Maybe we can get somewhere when our energies aren't diverted by pointless wishing on a partisan star . . . .
                          +1
                          even tho this particular point still eludes me, mr don:
                          just because i dont happen to much care for (most of) the candidates/politix/policies of team D ?
                          doesnt mean that i'm ALL FOR team R's

                          dont ya know...

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                          • #14
                            Re: Greenwald Sighting

                            Originally posted by lektrode View Post
                            +1
                            even tho this particular point still eludes me, mr don:
                            just because i dont happen to much care for (most of) the candidates/politix/policies of team D ?
                            doesnt mean that i'm ALL FOR team R's

                            dont ya know...
                            My point is the partisan dog-and-pony show's reason for existing in our oligarchy is as a diversion, smoke screen, a tool to split the spoils (without changing anything) . . . pick your poison.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Greenwald Sighting

                              Originally posted by don View Post
                              My point is the partisan dog-and-pony show's reason for existing in our oligarchy is as a diversion, smoke screen, a tool to split the spoils (without changing anything) . . . pick your poison.
                              i know what your point was, mr don - its just i dont understand how some people equate my POV with an 'endorsement' of either

                              when its THE POLITICAL CLASS, the 'aristocracy' ON BOTH SIDES that is Public Enemy #1

                              as its THEM that have created the mess that The Rest of US are now/have been suffering
                              but, IMH observation, its the lamerstream media that is the primary/root 'server' of the distraction du jour
                              whether they're flaming up the passionate-reactionary crowd with 'marriage' rights, 'free' aka 'insured/affordable reproductive rights' (including SUBSIDISING viagra etc = 'lifestyle decisions'), gun 'control', energy 'policy' or 'reparations' ?

                              its all part The GRAND DISTRACTION - while some apparently think its 'just partisan politicking' and
                              that its 'all merely a co-incidence' ?

                              and 'THE MOST IMPORTANT STORY' of the year, is WHAT ???

                              nope... nuthin to see here, move along...

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