Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

[sutro]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

Why bother about photographs that can't be verified when you got 10 captured invaders? that is proof!

I posted the pics because someone asked for them. I'm suprised nodoby has claimed the "captured invaders" are actually actors on the CIA payroll. Nothing is real anymore, everything is "Wag the Dog"!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-FXkj-r9Mc

[vt]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/why-vladimi...russia-1463130

[Fox]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

Where is the documentation for the Russian apologists? There is none. Only innuendo and conspiracy theories.

Listen, I'm not apologizing for anyone. The simple matter of it is this.

Russian can take all of Ukraine if it wants and we in the west should just STFU. Why? because it's none of our business. This is between Europe, Russia, and Ukraine. And Guess what they're all involved for their own self interests. There are no good guys in this fight.

Europe is in this to claim another vassal state to their failing union
Ukraine at least is fighting to maintain integrity, even if misguided.
The Rebels are fighting to obtain some dignity and independence.
Russia is the only one that can claim a moral stance because this involved Russian people.

What the hell is Obama think he's pulling by being a barking dog at everyone's heals? Did the US not learn it's lesson from Iraq?
And my own Prime Minister Harper. God, thanks for throwing our dignity under the bus. As if the world didn't think we were all a bunch of American toadies already. The whole "Russia/Not Russia" map!? What are we in grade 5? Embarrassing all the way around the table.

All this salivating and eagerness to get into another cold (or even hot) war with Russia. Have you all lost your mind? Does anyone honestly believe that any type of war with Russia is a good thing?

In this day of Central Banker induced global instability? Be prepared for a world to pain if it happens. In today's "Globalized" world there is no "Keep it over there" any more.

[Mega]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

Russia "Invades".....everyone else goes back to sleep....
Mike

[vt]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

So your saying any country with a large Russian population can rightfully be assimilated?




http://www.businessinsider.com/count...lations-2014-3

This reminds me of this:



So those who support Russia taking back Ukraine, and perhaps the Baltic states would have been Ok with Germany's territorial ambitions in Europe where there were sizable German populations?
If not how is Russia's strategy different?

[Fox]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

So those who support Russia taking back Ukraine, and perhaps the Baltic states would have been Ok with Germany's territorial ambitions in Europe where there were sizable German populations?
If not how is Russia's strategy different?

The difference is the German populations outside of Germany were not fighting and dying for the right to join Germany.

Crimea accepted Russian troops with open arms. Donetsk citizens are being shelled and killed by Ukraine and defecting by the thousands to Russia.

This is not Germany invading Poland. This is Poland bombing Germans within their boarders.

What do you think would be the outcome in that case?

[gwynedd1]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

So your saying any country with a large Russian population can rightfully be assimilated?




http://www.businessinsider.com/count...lations-2014-3

This reminds me of this:



So those who support Russia taking back Ukraine, and perhaps the Baltic states would have been Ok with Germany's territorial ambitions in Europe where there were sizable German populations?
If not how is Russia's strategy different?

Using any single criteria for complex issue is just basically stupid, meaning its straw man argument to suggest old maps settles the issue. They were not Russian in the past. They are Russian now, next to people where ethnic tension has occurred .
Given that the short lived Ukrainian People's Republic did not even include Crimea its pretty clear a long stable history of Ukraine is absurd. As it was as a Soviet SSR means nothing because the state of Iowa isn't a country. The only real guide we have is recent history. That would be the referendum of 1991. Problem is the recent coup puts a lot of faith that it was on a sound legal basis. But then the US of course has made good use of Constitutional technicalities to oust regimes. Also there is a question of if a state can decide to legally succeed. If not, why not? Whose business is it? International law is not too clear.

Now I suppose some people might not like the precedent that a block of a certain ethnicity might legitimize a state. Rome for example must still wonder what happened when it gave a poor refuge for the Goths. However that is the reality of the human animal. And given that reality which will cause the least ethnic tension and bloodshed? In Yugoslavia it seems clear what that reality was. Is there too much peace there to stomach with the loss of a precious border?

And the West ought to rethink its ridiculous mythologies that this doesn't matter before importing entire foreign nations into its borders. Its worse actually. The elites already know. They just don't care.

So when ISIS decides to create a Caliphate in Britain, I wonder if some in the West will reconsider the autonomous state idea?

[vt]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ggression.html

http://news.yahoo.com/polish-preside...103652284.html

[touchring]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

CNN has got the proof!

[Woodsman]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

CNN has got the proof!

"The Cossacks of the Zaporozhian Host (from 'beyond the rapids', za porohamy), inhabiting the lands around the lower Dnieper River in Ukraine, had defeated Ottoman Turkish forces in battle. However, Mehmed demanded that the Cossacks submit to Turkish rule. The Cossacks, led by Ivan Sirko, replied in an uncharacteristic manner: they wrote a letter, replete with insults and profanities. The painting exhibits the Cossacks' pleasure at striving to come up with ever more base vulgarities."

[vt]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...d33_story.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...50c_story.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...434_story.html

[lakedaemonian]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

Budapest Memorandum

http://www.ibtimes.com/russian-invas...action-1672790

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapes...ity_Assurances

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear...ns_and_Ukraine

In the macro/global sense, I expect US dithering on Ukraine to achieve 2 things:

1) Provides another example of how signing an agreement with the US can be worthless

2) Provides another example of how the acquisition of nuclear weapons can protect national sovereignty(or in this case the loss of nuclear weapons by Ukraine contributed to the attack on its sovereignty).

[EJ]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

Budapest Memorandum

http://www.ibtimes.com/russian-invas...action-1672790

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapes...ity_Assurances

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear...ns_and_Ukraine

In the macro/global sense, I expect US dithering on Ukraine to achieve 2 things:

1) Provides another example of how signing an agreement with the US can be worthless

2) Provides another example of how the acquisition of nuclear weapons can protect national sovereignty(or in this case the loss of nuclear weapons by Ukraine contributed to the attack on its sovereignty).

Negative fallout from Fortress America policy. Of the previous flavors of U.S. isolationism over the centuries, this one will prove the most disastrous. That is, worse than WWII.

[gugion]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

Negative fallout from Fortress America policy. Of the previous flavors of U.S. isolationism over the centuries, this one will prove the most disastrous. That is, worse than WWII.

Interesting. I assumed a Fortress America policy would be beneficial for the US and act as a bullish counterweight to the bearish ending of the asset price inflation era. Will we find out more about this "negative fallout" in your upcoming article?

As always, thanks for your rigorous work in producing such excellent content.

[touchring]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear...ns_and_Ukraine

In the macro/global sense, I expect US dithering on Ukraine to achieve 2 things:

1) Provides another example of how signing an agreement with the US can be worthless

2) Provides another example of how the acquisition of nuclear weapons can protect national sovereignty(or in this case the loss of nuclear weapons by Ukraine contributed to the attack on its sovereignty).

I agree that the US should be firm on Ukraine. The world doesn't want another Syria and Libya where no one is winning and no one appears to be taking responsibility, and radicals emerges out of the mess.