Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

[touchring]

10 Russian soldiers caught invading Ukraine.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ers-in-ukraine

[Fox]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

"The soldiers really did participate in a patrol of a section of the Russian-Ukrainian border, crossed it by accident on an unmarked section, and as far as we understand showed no resistance to the armed forces of Ukraine when they were detained," a source in Russia's defence ministry told the RIA Novosti agency.

Sounds like quite the invasion force.

But seriously all this talk of "obvious evidence" has not delivered much in the way of obvious evidence. Where are the satellite photos of Russian tank and artillery battalions they say are active in Ukraine? The CIA and Kiev intelligence seem to use twitter and youtube for reconnaissance these days, and even those "sources" have not give anything in the way of proof.

I'm sorry but if the US can produce a photo of a camel farting in the desert from 100 miles above the earth and say it's proof of WMD, then surely they can show a tank firing in Ukraine.

In any case the point may be moot as it looks like the rebels are close to wining anyways.
The Southern Front Catastrophe – August 27, 2014
This may be just propaganda, but then, Ukraine is broke and I can't imagine they can fund this war for very long. That leaves the Ukraine soldiers fighting and dying for???

P.S.: Oh and this just popped up on my news headlines
Ukraine Accuses Russia of Invasion

A senior NATO official said that well over 1,000 Russian troops were fighting alongside pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine,

So WELL over 1000 Russian soldiers are now fighting in the Ukraine and the Wall Street Journal gives a picture of a Ukraine check point. I'm sorry, but I feel insulted that they expect us to believe it just because "they say so"

This is all starting to look like a desperate attempt to repeat Iraq.

[Woodsman]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

Sounds like quite the invasion force.

But seriously all this talk of "obvious evidence" has not delivered much in the way of obvious evidence...

"Crafty prime minister Count Mountjoy (Peter Sellers) comes up with a plan: Grand Fenwick will declare war on the United States. Grand Duchess Gloriana (Peter Sellers again) is hesitant: how can meek little Grand Fenwick win such a conflict? Mountjoy explains that the plan is to lose the war, then rely upon American foreign aid to replenish Grand Fenwick's treasury."

[don]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

"Crafty prime minister Count Mountjoy (Peter Sellers) comes up with a plan: Grand Fenwick will declare war on the United States. Grand Duchess Gloriana (Peter Sellers again) is hesitant: how can meek little Grand Fenwick win such a conflict? Mountjoy explains that the plan is to lose the war, then rely upon American foreign aid to replenish Grand Fenwick's treasury."

leaving out the inevitable Austerity Programs and Privatizations to follow

was Mountjoy once with Goldman's? That name sounds familiar . . . . or is it what it conjures.

[vt]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

The Putin apology trio strikes again!

[Woodsman]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

The Putin apology trio strikes again!

I'd say "screw you and your chimp harem" but that would be rude and entirely out of character.

[vt]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

http://www.businessinsider.com/nato-...ukraine-2014-8

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...0e4_story.html

[gwynedd1]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

What kind of invasion requires satellites to prove and where the country being invaded causes all the civilians casualties?

[don]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

the same one that can't provide proof of passenger plan shoot down.

[vt]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

Unfortunately when key evidence is tampered with and the crash site contaminated, the discovery of proof is made quite difficult. And the very tampering with evidence and possibly some incriminating removed raises serious questions.

What has not been answered by Russian apologists is why independent crash examiners were kept away form the site for up to two weeks. What are the separatists trying to hide? Why won't Russian apologists answer this key question?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...be-caught.html

Another key piece of evidence removed:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...e-odyssey.html

Satellite pictures work even better now than when these were taken:

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/cu...cri/photos.htm

Where is the documentation for the Russian apologists? There is none. Only innuendo and conspiracy theories.

[don]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

You feel that US military intel can't conclusively document what happened.

You're serious?

[sutro]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

Sounds like quite the invasion force.

But seriously all this talk of "obvious evidence" has not delivered much in the way of obvious evidence. Where are the satellite photos of Russian tank and artillery battalions they say are active in Ukraine? The CIA and Kiev intelligence seem to use twitter and youtube for reconnaissance these days, and even those "sources" have not give anything in the way of proof.

I'm sorry but if the US can produce a photo of a camel farting in the desert from 100 miles above the earth and say it's proof of WMD, then surely they can show a tank firing in Ukraine.

In any case the point may be moot as it looks like the rebels are close to wining anyways.
The Southern Front Catastrophe – August 27, 2014
This may be just propaganda, but then, Ukraine is broke and I can't imagine they can fund this war for very long. That leaves the Ukraine soldiers fighting and dying for???

P.S.: Oh and this just popped up on my news headlines
Ukraine Accuses Russia of Invasion

So WELL over 1000 Russian soldiers are now fighting in the Ukraine and the Wall Street Journal gives a picture of a Ukraine check point. I'm sorry, but I feel insulted that they expect us to believe it just because "they say so"

This is all starting to look like a desperate attempt to repeat Iraq.

Do any of these count?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell...ine-140828.htm

[touchring]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

Do any of these count?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell...ine-140828.htm

Why bother about photographs that can't be verified when you got 10 captured invaders? that is proof!

[touchring]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

You feel that US military intel can't conclusively document what happened.

You're serious?

I wouldn't blame the US intel. By now, it is evident that the Iraq and Afghanistan war on terror isn't over yet.

The US intel would have their hands tied trying to track thousands of American, British and EU citizens now fighting for ISIS in Syria and Iraq. Not to mention, monitoring the Mexican border and sleeper cells within.

Just to deal with Al Qaeda and ISIS alone is already a formidable task.

[touchring]

Re: Finally proof that Russia is invading Ukraine!

the same one that can't provide proof of passenger plan shoot down.

Both sides are lying so we don't know who's correct.

But there's one truth that we know. The Ukrainian government knows that they will lose the war if they can't capture Donetsk before the start of winter, so they're throwing everything that they got at it.