Soros vs. Koch= FIRE vs. TECI

[vt]

Soros is FIRE to a T. His financial interests do not employ to build anything except his new worth. He does contribute to non profits, but mainly to political causes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros

Soros was also convicted of insider trading.

http://www.mrc.org/special-reports/s...godfather-left




The Koch's own the 2nd largest private company, that would be rated 17 on the S&P 500. Their companies employ 50,000 in the U.S.and contribute important TECI products to this nation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_Industries

The Kochs contribute to political causes, but also have contributed hundreds of millions to non political causes:

"David H. Koch Charitable Foundation have pledged or contributed more than $1.2 billion to cancer research, medical centers, educational institutions, arts and cultural institutions, and to assist public policy organizations."

http://www.kochfamilyfoundations.org/FoundationsDHK.asp


One often hears harsh criticism of the Koch family, but little of Soros's activities. Is FIRE protecting Soros because of his political connections and support of leftist causes?

I can agree with some criticism of the Koch families, but ask why Soros gets a free pass? The liberal press is not going to bring it up because they are not objective. If we ever get TECI, you may well see Koch Industries in the forefront of the rebuilding.

[lektrode]

Re: Soros vs. Koch= FIRE vs. TECI

Soros is FIRE to a T. ...
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One often hears harsh criticism of the Koch family, but little of Soros's activities. Is FIRE protecting Soros because of his political connections and support of leftist causes?

I can agree with some criticism of the Koch families, but ask why Soros gets a free pass? The liberal press is not going to bring it up because they are not objective.....

interesting question, vt - but looks like you answered it yerself...

wonder what strawsman... uhhh... i mean woodsman.. will think about this...

;)

sorry woody - couldnt resist.

[Shakespear]

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Soros is FIRE to a T. His financial interests do not employ to build anything except his new worth.

You got it brother

[dcarrigg]

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This is one of those tear people apart posts.

I hear plenty about both of them. The Kochs are simply richer and have more resources and more think tanks. I see a lot more posts from Reason and Cato and Americans for Prosperity and Mercatus and Hoover and American Legislative Exchange Council and George Mason University and the Institute for Humane Studies and the Center for a Stateless Society, and the Independent Institute and all the other Koch foundations than I do Soros' MoveOn.org, Open Policy Center, The Fund for America, American Voters, or Americans Coming Together.



The Koch's pay more for lobbying and think-tanks than Soros does by a wide margin. But Soros pays more for 527 groups. The Kochs are far more active in state and local political campaigns than Soros. But Soros will dump more on a Democratic presidential candidate than the Kochs will on a Republican one.

In the end, they're two different strategies.

The Koch strategy is to redefine terms, shift public perception in ideas, and promote Libertarianism. They don't just want the Republican Party to win. They want to redefine what the Republican Party platform is. They want to make it a Libertarian party. They don't so much care for traditionalist conservatives or Christian conservatives. They only promote one half of William F. Buckley's fusionist agenda.

The Soros strategy is making sure that Democratic Leadership isn't as populist as the Democratic Base against big finance. Wall Street is pretty much a bad word to most (not all) liberals now. So you've got to shuffle money in to make sure they let you do your gambling in peace. This is Soros' gig. He basically runs a shadow national presidential campaign.



So what to take from all this? I'd say that the Kochs and Soros have two different goals. Soros wants his man or woman in the Whitehouse, and maybe a couple of his men or women in the Senate to keep the Democrats safe for FIRE. The Kochs want to write the policy platform for the Republican Party and pass legislation promoting their ideals at any level of government possible seeking to destroy any regulation that might temper the FIRE. (Don't forget, the Kochs probably make more money on financial and commodity speculation than they do in the actual TECI world, just like every other commodity company these days). Just like GM's a bank that sell's cars as a gimmick to hock loans, nobody's in the energy game big-time without being in the FIRE game anymore.

You can click here to learn more about what is known of the political and spending habits of the Kochs and Soros from a pretty good independent source.

That said, I don't think a single one of these billionaires gives a damn about any of us. And I don't lose sleep at night wondering whether or not they're on "my side." None of them are. None of them know I exist. None of them care at all if any one of my friends or family live or die. So why should I care about them? I don't. Not worth the braincells. I'm sure they're very well taken care of already. And whatever they're up to, I'm sure our best interest is the furthest thing from their minds.

[wayiwalk]

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dcarrigg, I had to cut to the chase....

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That said, I don't think a single one of these billionaires gives a damn about any of us. And I don't lose sleep at night wondering whether or not they're on "my side." None of them are. None of them know I exist. None of them care at all if any one of my friends or family live or die. So why should I care about them? I don't. Not worth the braincells. I'm sure they're very well taken care of already. And whatever they're up to, I'm sure our best interest is the furthest thing from their minds.
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That is classic, and is completely "Carlinian".... Two thumbs up and I completely agree.

[vt]

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DC, Good analysis.
But I'm not agreeing they are commodity speculators. Remember they are oil refiners, and need to hedge oil positions just like farmers need to hedge wheat or soybeans.
Hedging is necessary for a producer in a commodity industry

Koch industries produces products that people use and have created 50000 American jobs.

Soros has done neither.

Both lobbying for issues they believe in, but it is well documented that the Koch's charitable work helps medical, educational, and cultural organizations.

I agree Soros and the Koch's Don't necessary care about the poor.

One of my key points was the main street press protects Soros and condemns the Koch's.

[sutro]

Re: Soros vs. Koch= FIRE vs. TECI

DC, Good analysis.
But I'm not agreeing they are commodity speculators. Remember they are oil refiners, and need to hedge oil positions just like farmers need to hedge wheat or soybeans.
Hedging is necessary for a producer in a commodity industry

Koch industries produces products that people use and have created 50000 American jobs.

Soros has done neither.

Both lobbying for issues they believe in, but it is well documented that the Koch's charitable work helps medical, educational, and cultural organizations.

I agree Soros and the Koch's Don't necessary care about the poor.

One of my key points was the main street press protects Soros and condemns the Koch's.

Maybe because the Koch's helped start the John Birch Society?

[don]

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Mental health in America requires watching a Carlin clip monthly, with emergency clip intervention as needed.

[Shakespear]

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That said, I don't think a single one of these billionaires gives a damn about any of us. And I don't lose sleep at night wondering whether or not they're on "my side." None of them are. None of them know I exist. None of them care at all if any one of my friends or family live or die. So why should I care about them? I don't. Not worth the braincells. I'm sure they're very well taken care of already. And whatever they're up to, I'm sure our best interest is the furthest thing from their minds.

Amen Brother

[lektrode]

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Mental health in America requires watching a Carlin clip monthly, with emergency clip intervention as needed.

aint that the truth....

and here's another example 'fire vs techies' - where THE fire is gonna win - no matter how much the FIre media trys to 'dampen' the blaze: (nor The Man attempts to squelch it... ;)


just gotta follow the rules - and make sure yer 'installations' aint givin away free booze...(err.. uhh... anything.. ummmm... 'medicinal' ;)

and checkout some of the serious research thats being conducted...

along with the rest of TODAYS events...

tee-minus 5 daze or so and counting, till IGNITION

[don]

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Word from California is Burning Man has never been bigger nor more corporate.

[dcarrigg]

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Word from California is Burning Man has never been bigger nor more corporate.

I hear there's at least one Google bus that'll transport employees.

It's kinda hard to stick it to the man when he's right there cheering you on:

“We used to have R.V.s and precooked meals,” said a man who attends Burning Man with a group of Silicon Valley entrepreneurs. (He asked not to be named so as not to jeopardize those relationships.) “Now, we have the craziest chefs in the world and people who build yurts for us that have beds and air-conditioning.” He added with a sense of amazement, “Yes, air-conditioning in the middle of the desert!”

His camp includes about 100 people from the Valley and Hollywood start-ups, as well as several venture capital firms. And while dues for most non-tech camps run about $300 a person, he said his camp’s fees this year were $25,000 a person. A few people, mostly female models flown in from New York, get to go free, but when all is told, the weekend accommodations will collectively cost the partygoers over $2 million.

The thing that I find funniest about that is that apparently they couldn't find enough pretty girls to pay to hang out with them at a concert IN CALIFORNIA. They had to fly them in from New York.

[lektrode]

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I hear there's at least one Google bus that'll transport employees.

It's kinda hard to stick it to the man when he's right there cheering you on:

ifn eye didnt know better, would say that boat is/was one of my customers (cept he isnt in the .mil and that'd be the only way one could get that kinda 'ocean freight' covered at a reasonable rate...)

The thing that I find funniest about that is that apparently they couldn't find enough pretty girls to pay to hang out with them at a concert IN CALIFORNIA. They had to fly them in from New York.

well.. thats prolly cuz its a WEEKEND event and all them kinda chix typically head for los wages, for their '2nd job/weekend gigs'

[LorenS]

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I'm pretty sure Soros dumped money in to Colorado on the marijuana issue.

http://rt.com/usa/soros-mpp-times-marijuana-189/

Soros spends a lot of money on anti gun propaganda as well.

[Shakespear]

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Soros spends a lot of money on anti gun propaganda as well.

He should change his name to SorryAS^

A Kafka character