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  • #16
    Re: Is Ferguson just the start?

    Mega, keep it simple.


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    • #17
      Re: Is Ferguson just the start?

      Originally posted by gwynedd1 View Post
      This is a complex cause issue. An entire book could be written as to the cause of dysfunction black urban areas , but it is dysfunctional as a matter of fact. That does not mean that on the other side of this we are NOT slowly seeing a police style state.

      Correct the above with "NOT". We are become much more of a police style state.
      Spot on.
      Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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      • #18
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        Police just shot a 23 year old dead just up the road in St. Louis. News came out about an hour ago. Details are still sketchy. Looks like he stole an energy drink and a pastry from a convenience store and had a knife. Both tragic and incredibly bad timing. Nobody will win here.

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        • #19
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          Why the devil are so many federal agencies militarized?!? (notice the source: Daily Kos quoting National Review)

          http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/0...ur-SWAT-teams#

          When have you seen the left and right BOTH concerned?

          http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...med-divisions/

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          • #20
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            This is starting to remind me of the "Nuland Attitude" by the police in Ferguson.

            "To be arrested and yelled at and be rudely treated by police I had to travel to Ferguson and St. Louis in the United States of America," writes veteran reporter of his ordeal.
            Ansgar Graw and Frank Hermann were cuffed and jailed for three hours the day after arriving in the beleaguered suburb of St. Louis. Graw and Hermann were there to cover the town of Ferguson, whose African-American population has clashed fiercely with local police since the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown by a white police officer on August 9.The journalists had wanted to take pictures of a burned out gas station on Florissant Avenue, the street at the centre of the week-long protest. The building was looted and burned the night of Brown's death."The street was empty at the time, there was no hint of violence or riotous assembly," Graw wrote for Die Welt of his ordeal.Police told him that journalists were gathering on the other end of the street, in the large shopping mall, for security reasons."We felt there were no threats, everything is completely peaceful, and we said that we would stay on and take the photos we wanted," Graw wrote.Then a young police officer says: "Okay, but only if you keep moving. The moment you stay standing, you'll be arrested. That's the last warning."
            http://www.thelocal.de/20140819/germ...erguson-unrest

            http://www.bild.de/news/ausland/prot...4152.bild.html

            http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/prote...-a-986815.html

            Guess these cops can't think outside of the box..

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            • #21
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              Your "out of the box" comment speaks volumes. All this started because a cop asked a guy to get out of the road for his safety and others. He didn't and he got shot after tussling with the cop.

              Now the cops say to the reporters, don't go there for your safety. But they say, we can go anyway. They are thinking "out of the box?"

              I say the guy and the reporters are stupid. I live in a town like the one in question. When the cops say something for people's safety, most of them black, white and even reporters don't disobey the cops by "thinking out of the box"

              The reality is the guy got out of the safety zone and the reporters wanted to do the same. Thats not critical thinking, its risky and reporters do it for a story. But at times it puts their lives and the cops lives in Jeopardy because its the same cops who have to resque the reporters for being stupid and disobeying the civil authorities.

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              • #22
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                Another side of the story:

                http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20...n-says-source/

                Until all the evidence comes out we won't know the full facts of what really happened. I still think the officer should have called for backup. "Policeman in trouble" usually gets his buddies there quickly.

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                • #23
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                  Aug. 20, 2014

                  Ferguson, USA

                  50 years after the Civil Rights Act of 1964, a Ferguson doesn't need to happen.





                  Aug. 20, 2014 7:08 p.m. ET


                  It has been 50 years since Congress passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Across that half century, the condition of inner-city black life in America has consumed immeasurable amounts of the nation's public and private spending, litigation, academic study, cultural output and opinion. And yet everything about Ferguson is familiar.



                  A poor neighborhood has erupted over a police killing, protesters are in the streets, civil-rights leaders are everywhere, local businesses have been looted and cameramen are recording the most familiar image of all—young black men in a state of rage. Eventually Ferguson will subside as a daily news story, and then life in this small town in the middle of the country will return to being what it was.



                  We've seen these pictures before: the

                  urban in riot in Detroit, 1967. AP






                  What we are seeing in Ferguson occurred on a larger scale in Detroit and Newark in 1967, in the Watts section of Los Angeles in 1965, and in a neighborhood called Hough on the east side of Cleveland in 1966. Some argue that Detroit and Newark never recovered.



                  We will leave it to others to plumb the riddles of whether racism and injustice create the Fergusons of America. A question more open to the possibility of an answer is: Why don't more young guys in places like Ferguson have a job to occupy their days?



                  The short answer is, they don't work because there is no work. And anyway, who would hire them? President Barack Obama explained all this in February when he announced the "My Brother's Keeper" Initiative.


                  "As a black student," Mr. Obama said, "you are far less likely than a white student to be able to read proficiently by the time you are in fourth grade. By the time you reach high school, you're far more likely to have been suspended or expelled." And the future? "Fewer young black and Latino men participate in the labor force compared to young white men. And all of this translates into higher unemployment rates and poverty rates as adults." All indisputable.



                  The goal of "My Brother's Keeper," Mr. Obama said, is to find out "what works," and then build on what works.
                  But we know what works. The build-out is simply waiting for a head contractor to get the job done.



                  When the president announced this initiative in February, the progressive website Think Progress produced an article that includes one eye-popping chart. Based on data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, it shows the unemployment rate for black youth from 2007-2012. In November 2009 it hit 49.1%. It has declined to about 35%, but remains twice the rate for young whites.



                  The article also noted the massive shortfall in educational preparedness: "Just 5% of African-American students meet the ACT's college readiness benchmark in all four subject areas: English, reading, math and science."



                  Connect the dots: What younger black men need is a decent job and the education necessary to get and hold that job. Absent that, normal life is impossible, for them or for their neighborhoods.



                  More dots: Last August, the Pew Research Center published a report, also documenting that the "black unemployment rate is consistently twice that of whites." Gaze, however, at Pew's chart of unemployment by race based on seasonally adjusted Bureau of Labor Statistics data from 1954 to 2013. It reveals what works.


                  Peak unemployment for all blacks hit 19.5% in 1983, after a deep recession. Then it plummeted, to about 11%. These were the boom years of the Reagan presidency, when economic growth hit 7% in 1984 and averaged 3.6%. Following a recession in the early 1990s, that strong-growth trend continued during Bill Clinton's presidency, and black unemployment fell further, below 10%.



                  The postrecession growth rate for the first five years of the Obama presidency was below 2%, and joblessness for young black men is unprecedented. Something, obviously, isn't working.



                  Good growth is half of what works. Without a functional education, holding a job, or improving on the one you've got, is nearly impossible. Ferguson's school system, the Washington Post's visiting reporters noted Tuesday, "is crumbling."



                  The decline of inner-city public schools is the greatest, most bitterly ironic social tragedy in the 50 years since passage of the liberating civil-rights acts. But what works here is no longer an unsolvable mystery. It is the alternatives that emerged to the defunct public system—charters schools and voucher-supported parochial schools. Over the past 20 years, these options, born in desperation, have forced their way into the schools mix. Freed of politicized, sludge-like central bureaucracies, they've proven they can teach kids and send them into the workforce.



                  Economic growth is nonpartisan. But inner-city public education is totally partisan. Democratic politicians made a Faustian bargain with the teachers unions, and the souls carried away have been the black children in those doomed schools.



                  What America's Fergusons need—from L.A. to Detroit to New York—is a president, and a party, obsessed with growth and messianic about giving a kid what he needs to hold the job that growth provides. Maybe by the 100th anniversary of the Civil Rights Act.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Is Ferguson just the start?

                    So simplistic it makes you shudder.

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                    • #25
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                      Originally posted by Thailandnotes View Post
                      So simplistic it makes you shudder.
                      And so true it seems indisputable to me.

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                      • #26
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                        Originally posted by vt View Post
                        ... Economic growth is nonpartisan. But inner-city public education is totally partisan. Democratic politicians made a Faustian bargain with the teachers unions, and the souls carried away have been the black children in those doomed schools. What America's Fergusons need—from L.A. to Detroit to New York—is a president, and a party, obsessed with growth and messianic about giving a kid what he needs to hold the job that growth provides. Maybe by the 100th anniversary of the Civil Rights Act.
                        Indisputable common sense to white, middle and upper class southern suburbanites, sure.

                        Really, it's almost touching to hear the Wall Street Journal editors shed crocodile tears about the fate of black people in America. How many blacks on the WSJ ed. board, how many from historically black colleges, the traditional black press? You know, someone who can bring a "broader" experience with race and race matters than the cohort of white, rich, Ivy League educated folks who fill that conference room each morning. None, as far as I can discover. None according to the Wikis. Maybe they keep them in the back of the bus?

                        And what a surprise, Ferguson, the riots in the 60s, the failure of public education in black communities. Yep, it's all the fault of democratic politicians and teachers unions. Four legs good, two legs bad.

                        Never mind that the WSJ ed's and owners first and last commandment is "get rich or die trying." Who cares that their concern for black and poor Americans generally goes only so far as they can make a buck off of them.

                        And look who found gold in dem dar charter school hills. Why the OWNER of the Wall Street Journal, no less:



                        In 2010, billionaire Rupert Murdoch declared for-profit K-12 education 'a $500 billion sector in the U.S. alone that is waiting desperately to be transformed.' (David Shankbone / Wikimedia Commons)

                        Features » August 20, 2014

                        The Con Artistry of Charter Schools

                        Once an effort to improve public education, the charter school movement has transformed into a money-making venture.


                        'Instead, they divert public monies to pay their six-figure salaries; hire uncertified, transient, non-unionized teachers on the cheap; and do not admit (or fail to appropriately serve) students who are costly, such as those with disabilities.'


                        There’s been a flood of local news stories in recent months about FBI raids on charter schools all over the country.

                        From Pittsburgh to Baton Rouge, from Hartford to Cincinnatti to Albuquerque, FBI agents have been busting into schools, carting off documents and making arrests leading to high-profile indictments.

                        “The troubled Hartford charter school operator FUSE was dealt another blow Friday when FBI agents served it with subpoenas to a grand jury that is examining the group's operations. When two Courant reporters arrived at FUSE offices on Asylum Hill on Friday morning, minutes after the FBI's visit, they saw a woman feeding sheaves of documents into a shredder.”—The Hartford Courant, July 18, 2014
                        “The FBI has raided an Albuquerque school just months after the state started peering into the school’s finances. KRQE News 13 learned federal agents were there because of allegations that someone may have been taking money that was meant for the classroom at the Southwest Secondary Learning Center on Candelaria, near Morris in northwest Albuquerque … “—KRQE News 13, August 1 2014
                        “Wednesday evening's FBI raid on a charter school in East Baton Rouge is the latest item in a list of scandals involving the organization that holds the charter for the Kenilworth Science and Technology School. … Pelican Educational Foundation runs the school and has ties to a family from Turkey. The school receives about $5,000,000 in local, state, and federal tax money. … the FBI raided the school six days after the agency renewed the Baton Rouge school’s charter through the year 2019.”—The Advocate, January 14, 2014
                        “The state of Pennsylvania is bringing in the FBI to look into accusations that a Pittsburgh charter school [Urban Pathways Charter School] misspent tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars on luxuries such as fine-dining and retreats at exclusive resorts and spas.”—CBS News November 12, 2013
                        “COLUMBUS, OH—A federal grand jury has indicted four people, alleging that they offered and accepted bribes and kickbacks as part of a public corruption conspiracy in their roles as managers and a consultant for Arise! Academy, a charter school in Dayton, Ohio.” —FBI Press Release, June 2014

                        What’s going on here?

                        Charter schools are such a racket, across the nation they are attracting special attention from the FBI, which is working with the Department of Education’s inspector general to look into allegations of charter-school fraud.

                        One target, covered in an August 12 story in The Atlantic, is the secretive Turkish cleric, Fethullah Gulen, who runs the largest charter-school chain in the United States.
                        The Atlantic felt compelled to note, repeatedly, that it would be xenophobic to single out the Gulen schools and their mysterious Muslim founder for lack of transparency and the misuse of public funds.

                        “It isn’t the Gulen movement that makes Gulen charters so secretive,” writes The Atlantic’s Scott Beauchamp, “it’s the charter movement itself.”

                        Kristen Buras, associate professor of education policies at Georgia State University, agrees.

                        “Originally, charter schools were conceived as a way to improve public education,” Buras says. “Over time, however, the charter school movement has developed into a money-making venture.”
                        Over the last decade, the charter school movement has morphed from a small, community-based effort to foster alternative education into a national push to privatize public schools, pushed by free-market foundations and big education-management companies. This transformation opened the door to profit-seekers looking for a way to cash in on public funds.

                        In 2010, Rupert Murdoch, whose News Corp. has been an ALEC member, declared for-profit K-12 public education “a $500 billion sector in the U.S. alone that is waiting desperately to be transformed.”

                        The transformation has begun.
                        “Education entrepreneurs and private charter school operators could care less about innovation,” says Buras. “Instead, they divert public monies to pay their six-figure salaries; hire uncertified, transient, non-unionized teachers on the cheap; and do not admit (or fail to appropriately serve) students who are costly, such as those with disabilities.”
                        Rebecca Fox Blair, a teacher who helped to found a small, alternative high school program in Monona, Wisconsin, says she was struck by the massive change in the charter school movement when she attended a national charter school conference recently.
                        “It’s all these huge operators, and they look down on schools like ours,” she says. “They call us the ‘mom and pop’ schools.”
                        There are now more than 6,000 publicly funded charter schools in the United States—a more than 50 percent increase since 2008.
                        Over that same period, “nearly 4,000 traditional public schools have closed,” writes Stan Karp, an editor of Rethinking Schools. “This represents a huge transfer of resources and students from our public education system to the publicly funded but privately managed charter sector.”
                        And all that money has attracted some unscrupulous operators.
                        Michael Sharpe, the disgraced CEO of the FUSE charter school in Hartford, admitted in court to faking his academic credentials and hiding the fact that he was a two-time felon who had been convicted of embezzlement and served five years in prison as a result. When he was indicted he was living in a Brownstone paid for by his charter school management company, where he kept a tenant whom he charged rent.
                        Scott Glasrud, the CEO of Southwest Learning Centers in Albuquerque, a group of four schools including an elementary school and a flight academy, was earning $210,000 a year, as well as additional compensation for a contract he made with his own aviation company to lease planes to the flight school he administered.
                        But these are small-time operators compared with Ronald Packard, the CEO of K12, Inc., the scandal-plagued online charter school company. Packard's salary was $4.1 million in 2013.
                        K12 has been charged with attempting to falsify records, using unqualified teachers, and booking classes of more than 100 students by state investigators in Florida.
                        Education reporter Jennifer Berkshire, aka EduShyster, shared Morningstar data on her blog showing that between 2012 and 2013, executive compensation at K12 grew by $11,399,514. In 2012, executives at K12 earned a total of $9,971,984 in compensation. Last year that figure jumped to $21,371,498.
                        “According to a lawsuit filed in US district court this spring,” Berkshire writes, “Packard knowingly inflated the value of K12 stock by making *overly positive statements* about the company, its performance and its prospects, then cashed out, causing his personal numbers to add up to the tune of $6.4 million large.”
                        As a member of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), K12 has helped pushed legislation to replace bricks and mortar classrooms with computers and replace actual teachers with “virtual” teachers, generating enormous profits from its taxpayer-financed schools.
                        ALEC added K12 to its corporate board of directors just before its national convention in Dallas at the end of July.
                        At the Dallas meeting, ALEC also trumpeted the launch of a new charter school working group. Among the measures the group discussed:
                        • Legislation to exempt charter school teachers from state teacher certification requirements, and allow for charter schools to be their own local education authority.
                        • A bill to gives charter schools the right of first refusal to purchase or lease all or part of unused public school properties at or below market value, and avoid taxes and fees.
                        • A controversial measure proposed by Scott Walker in Wisconsin to create a statewide charter school authorizing board, bypassing local authority over charter schools, even as charters drain funds from local districts.

                        New Orleans, the nation’s first all-charter school district, is the testing ground for charter school expansion.
                        Buras, the author of Charter Schools, Race, and Urban Space: Where the Market Meets Grassroots Resistance, has been engaged in research on New Orleans for the past decade.
                        “Charter advocates claim that education ‘reform’ in New Orleans is a glowing success and should be replicated nationally,” says Buras. “What the public really needs to know is this: Charter school reform in New Orleans is a hustle, a sham.”
                        When the state-run New Orleans Recovery School District assumed control of New Orleans public schools, veteran teachers were fired and their collective bargaining agreement was nullified. Since 2005, Buras says, the scale used in Louisiana to assess public school achievement has been manipulated “in an attempt to contrive charter school success.”
                        In Detroit, another seat of school privatization and austerity, charter schools have also meant lucrative contracts for private operators, and austerity for teachers and kids, says Tom Pedroni, associate professor in the college of education at Wayne State University.
                        The Detroit Free Press published a series of articles on waste of tax dollars and questionable financial dealings by charter school officials and boards.
                        “One school bought useless wetlands. Others overpaid—by a lot—for their school property. And another gave its administrator a severance worth more than a half million dollars,” the Free Press reported on June 22.
                        Michigan's largest charter-school management company charges jaw-dropping rents to its schools, the Free Press reported—as much as $1 million a year for schools in financially strapped Detroit. Two-thirds of the National Heritage Academy schools across the state “pay as much in rent as tenants in Detroit's Rennaissance Center, with its expansive views of the Detroit River,” the paper found.
                        “In Michigan, 80 percent of charter schools are run by for-profit educational management organizations,” says Pedroni. “Charter school authorizers—typically universities, community colleges, and public school districts—build very close and financially lucrative relationships with these organizations.”
                        “Whistleblowing, or even mildly questioning, board members typically are quickly dismissed by the charter authorizers,” says Pedroni. “In the end, private interests and authorizers do quite well. Children, their communities, and teachers do not.”
                        Riding the wave of pro-privatization, right-wing propaganda that public schools have “failed” and need to be turned over to private business operators, charter school lobbyists, working with ALEC, have been able to get legislation passed to allow them to open schools all over the country that take public funds but skip the kind of oversight that regular public schools must submit to.

                        The results are being collected as evidence by the FBI.
                        The credulousness of people never ceases to astound me. They make the job of the propagandist so much easier.

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                        • #27
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                          Originally posted by Woodsman View Post
                          Indisputable common sense to white, middle and upper class southern suburbanites, sure.

                          Really, it's almost touching to hear the Wall Street Journal editors shed crocodile tears about the fate of black people in America. How many blacks on the WSJ ed. board, how many from historically black colleges, the traditional black press? You know, someone who can bring a "broader" experience with race and race matters than the cohort of white, rich, Ivy League educated folks who fill that conference room each morning. None, as far as I can discover. None according to the Wikis. Maybe they keep them in the back of the bus?

                          And what a surprise, Ferguson, the riots in the 60s, the failure of public education in black communities. Yep, it's all the fault of democratic politicians and teachers unions. Four legs good, two legs bad.

                          Never mind that the WSJ ed's and owners first and last commandment is "get rich or die trying." Who cares that their concern for black and poor Americans generally goes only so far as they can make a buck off of them.

                          And look who found gold in dem dar charter school hills. Why the OWNER of the Wall Street Journal, no less:

                          The credulousness of people never ceases to astound me. They make the job of the propagandist so much easier.
                          Yeah I love that "going private" crap. I am all for private sector economics, and the reason is I think money in private hands it spent rather wisely. But "privatization " isn't private money . Its public money. So all the advantages of private economy are out the window. It is truly the worst of breed.

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                          • #28
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                            Originally posted by gwynedd1 View Post
                            Yeah I love that "going private" crap. I am all for private sector economics, and the reason is I think money in private hands it spent rather wisely. But "privatization " isn't private money . Its public money. So all the advantages of private economy are out the window. It is truly the worst of breed.

                            I posted the following on a earlier thread here http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...298#post279298

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                            In Ohio, charter schools do not have better success.
                            Here is an article from the Columbus Dispatch about it.

                            http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...d-promise.html

                            Fed up with persistently poor student results in Ohio’s eight largest urban school districts, Republican state legislators enacted a law in 1997 allowing charter schools to locate exclusively within the boundaries of the “Big 8” systems.

                            Sixteen years later, charters statewide performed almost exactly the same on most measures of student achievement as the urban schools they were meant to reform, results released under a revamped Ohio report-card system show. And when it comes to graduating seniors after four years of high school, the Big 8 performed better.....
                            The charter schools are also going bust and shutting at an alarming rate.

                            http://www.dispatch.com//content/sto...r-failure.html

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                            • #29
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                              Originally posted by Raz View Post
                              And so true it seems indisputable to me.
                              It's true, but it confuses goals with plans.

                              Getting poor people into jobs and growing the economy to create abundant jobs are goals, not plans.
                              Last edited by thriftyandboringinohio; August 21, 2014, 01:06 PM.

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                              • #30
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                                Originally posted by Woodsman View Post
                                The credulousness of people never ceases to astound me. They make the job of the propagandist so much easier.
                                I second that.

                                That Shylock Murdock is a fu&ken crook from the work "GO". However he is a model of a good citizen and a great business man to the young. I had no clue he was involved with EDUCATION !!!!
                                http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...-phone-hacking

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