ME: the Diplomatic Game

[Shakespear]

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Some good information on the Balfour Declaration

“Perfidious Albion” The British Legacy in Palestine

http://www.balfourproject.org/perfid...-in-palestine/

[Woodsman]

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Thank you, Raz. As for everyone else, do please carry on of course.

[don]

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this may not be news to some but it's all part of the ME regional mix and the larger control of energy . . . .


How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas
WSJ

"Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation," says Mr. Cohen, a Tunisian-born Jew who worked in Gaza for more than two decades. Responsible for religious affairs in the region until 1994, Mr. Cohen watched the Islamist movement take shape, muscle aside secular Palestinian rivals and then morph into what is today Hamas, a militant group that is sworn to Israel's destruction.

Instead of trying to curb Gaza's Islamists from the outset, says Mr. Cohen, Israel for years tolerated and, in some cases, encouraged them as a counterweight to the secular nationalists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and its dominant faction, Yasser Arafat's Fatah. Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas. Sheikh Yassin continues to inspire militants today; during the recent war in Gaza, Hamas fighters confronted Israeli troops with "Yassins," primitive rocket-propelled grenades named in honor of the cleric.


How Israel helped create Hamas

Washington Post

To a certain degree, the Islamist organization whose militant wing has rained rockets on Israel the past few weeks has the Jewish state to thank for its existence. Hamas launched in 1988 in Gaza at the time of the first intifada, or uprising, with a charter now infamous for its anti-Semitism and its refusal to accept the existence of the Israeli state. But for more than a decade prior, Israeli authorities actively enabled its rise.

At the time, Israel's main enemy was the late Yasser Arafat's Fatah party, which formed the heart of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO). Fatah was secular and cast in the mold of other revolutionary, leftist guerrilla movements waging insurgencies elsewhere in the world during the Cold War. The PLO carried out assassinations and kidnappings and, although recognized by neighboring Arab states, was considered a terrorist organization by Israel; PLO operatives in the occupied territories faced brutal repression at the hands of the Israeli security state.

ISRAEL AND HAMAS
Henry Makow

Israel's long-standing relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood was instrumental in the founding of an offshoot organization, Hamas.

According to Robert Dreyfuss, author of "Devil's Game: How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam":

"And beginning in 1967 through the late 1980s, Israel helped the Muslim Brotherhood establish itself in the occupied territories. It assisted Ahmed Yassin, the leader of the Brotherhood, in creating Hamas, betting that its Islamist character would weaken the PLO."

According to Charles Freeman, former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia, "Israel started Hamas. It was a project of Shin Bet [Isreali domestic intelligence agency], which had a feeling that they could use it to hem in the PLO."

One aspect of that strategy was the creation of the Village Leagues, over which Yassin and the Brotherhood exercised much influence. Israel trained about 200 members of the Leagues and recruited many paid informers.

New York Times Reporter David Shipler cites the Israeli military governor of Gaza as boasting that Israel expressly financed the fundamentalists against the PLO:

"Politically speaking, Islamic fundamentalists were sometimes regarded as useful to Israel, because they had conflicts with the secular supporters of the PLO. Violence between the two groups erupted occasionally on West Bank university campuses. Israeli military governor of the Gaza Strip, Brigadier General Yitzhak Segev, once told me how he had financed the Islamic movement as a counterweight to the PLO and the Communists. 'The Israeli Government gave me a budget and the military government gives to the mosques,' he said."

As Dreyfuss notes, "during the 1980s, the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza and the West Bank did not support resistance to the Israeli occupation. Most of its energy went to fighting the PLO, especially its more left-wing factions, on university campuses."
After the Palestinian uprising of 1987, the PLO accused Hamas and Yassin of acting "with the direct support of reactionary Arab regimes... in collusion with the Israeli occupation."

Yasser Arafat complained to an Italian newspaper: "Hamas is a creation of Israel, which at the time of Prime Minister Shamir, gave them money and more than 700 institutions, among them schools, universities and mosques."

Arafat also maintained that Israeli prime minister Rabin admitted to him in the presence of Hosni Mubarak that Israel had supported Hamas.

Essentially, as analyst Ray Hannania pointed out, in "Sharon's Terror Child", published in Counterpunch, "undermining the peace process has always been the real target of Hamas and has played into the political ambitions of Likud. Every time Israeli and Palestinian negotiators appeared ready to take a major step forward achieving peace, an act of Hamas terrorism has scuttled the peace process and pushed the two sides apart."

In "Hamas and the Transformation of Political Islam in Palestine", for Current History, Sara Roy wrote:

"Some analysts maintain that while Hamas leaders are being targeted, Israel is simultaneously pursuing its old strategy of promoting Hamas over the secular nationalist factions as a way of ensuring the ultimate demise of the [Palestinian Authority], and as an effort to extinguish Palestinian nationalism once and for all."

[debu]

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Posted by Raz:

what you would do to stop these particular rocket and tunnel attacks by Hamas.

End the illegal siege/blockade of Gaza and the rocket and tunnel attacks will cease immediately.

[ProdigyofZen]

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I also assume you know that Hamas was armed initially by Israeli arms dealers: "Jews are selling arms to Palestinians" was the incredulous cry in Gaza when Hamas was being built to offset the PLO.

Interesting. The last time Jewish arms dealers sold weapons to the Muslims (well perhaps what I think was the last time ) it came back to haunt them. Khaybar is the oasis in the Arabian peninsula where the Jewish leaders made a pact with Muhammad to supply him weapons in his war against the tribes of Medina but later Muhammad broke the pact and laid siege to the city.

[don]

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Interesting. The last time Jewish arms dealers sold weapons to the Muslims (well perhaps what I think was the last time ) it came back to haunt them. Khaybar is the oasis in the Arabian peninsula where the Jewish leaders made a pact with Muhammad to supply him weapons in his war against the tribes of Medina but later Muhammad broke the pact and laid siege to the city.

Even the Mossad can do the American blowback

[vt]

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[Shakespear]

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Map

The map shows amazing gains. Weapons supply must be great, hence arms dealers are doing great. Poor Victor though is in jail.

What is even more amazing is how much you can do with a Toyota.


And these guys are coming to New York (the picture I had before was irritating so I will put in here what I had in mind all along)

(the old one https://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/82289831.gif)

That's the baby to have when going to work, Toyota !!!!

And here is one of the last to try and tell us the truth, Robin Cook.

[don]

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i recall Al Qaeda was a catchall phrase used by the CIA when referring to its polyglot anti-Russky forces in their Afghan gambit.

More of an admin tool that sprouted its own legs.

[Shakespear]

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i recall Al Qaeda was a catchall phrase used by the CIA when referring to its polyglot anti-Russky forces in their Afghan gambit. .

Well Don, words are starting to lose their meaning.

Do you recall these terrorists in Basra


Sorry, wrong picture but the right idea
Here they are,

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=1499
We are in Kabuki Theater and at worst in a Mirror Palace.

[Woodsman]

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Well Don, words are starting to lose their meaning

"The keyword here is blackwhite. Like so many Newspeak words, this word has two mutually contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it means the habit of impudently claiming that black is white, in contradiction of the plain facts. Applied to a Party member, it means a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands this. But it means also the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary. This demands a continuous alteration of the past, made possible by the system of thought which really embraces all the rest, and which is known in Newspeak as doublethink. Doublethink is basically the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them."


"At this moment, for example, in 1984 (if it was 1984), Oceania was at war with Eurasia and in alliance with Eastasia. In no public or private utterance was it ever admitted that the three powers had at any time been grouped along different lines. Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was merely a piece of furtive knowledge, which he happened to possess because his memory was not satisfactorily under control. Officially the change of partners had never happened. Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible."

George Orwell, "1984"

https://archive.org/details/ThePower...ItsColdOutside

[flintlock]

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I really don't get the anti-Israeli sentiment. I just don't get it. I'm not saying Israel is blameless here but you have to suspend reality to think they are the only bad guys here. Argue about the creation of the State of Israel all you want, but to take history from that point on and say they have generally been the aggressors is to just beyond me. This is conflict is about religious differences, about anti-Semitism, about the lack of tolerance by Muslims for any other religion but their own. Israel is relatively tolerant of other religions. Hamas wants to destroy Israel, period. No accords, no treaties. Anything they sign is simply a maneuver to buy time to re-fit for future war. History that has transpired since the creation of the State of Israel has basically been about the attempt by Arab states to destroy it. They invaded numerous times and were defeated. Unfortunately the Arab psyche can't seem to handle defeat and has spent decades trying to get over being butt-hurt about a few thousand Jews kicking their ass. I really believe a lot of it is just bruised egos. If you don't want to kick kicked off your lands don't try to kill your neighbor repeatedly. I'm sure Israel wishes they could just pick up and move their land to South American or somewhere. It's not like this is some prime freaking real estate. They got the land WITHOUT the oil yet the Arabs are still pissed. Hamas is a bunch of thugs, period. People want Israel to trust these people? Honestly, a year from now when ISIS is blowing up an American city, lets check back in and see how you feel about the situation.

If opportunists on both sides are taking advantage of the situation, that doesn't change the root of the matter.

[flintlock]

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Posted by Raz:


End the illegal siege/blockade of Gaza and the rocket and tunnel attacks will cease immediately.

What does Israel hope to gain by this siege? I wasn't even aware they were besieging Gaza before the rockets started firing.

[debu]

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What does Israel hope to gain by this siege? I wasn't even aware they were besieging Gaza before the rockets started firing.

Israel has had its boot on the neck of Gaza since the illegal siege/blockade began in 2007. What Israel hopes to gain by it is to drive the Palestinians in Gaza into the sea.

Since the MSM in North America has failed to report the siege/blockade very few here are aware of what has been happening on the ground and, so, lacking context don't understand the rockets and tunnels which are desperate, if futile, means of resistance to dispossession and occupation by a far stronger power.

On many issues, but on this issue in particular, our fourth estate and political class have failed us thereby making most of us unwittingly complicit the great injustice being perpetrated on the Palestinians by Israel.

Thank goodness for the internet.

[Shakespear]

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I really don't get the anti-Israeli sentiment. I just don't get it.

I don't blame you. They are not the only "bad guys". I will argue though that that IS their role in the LARGER GAME and that the larger game is "The Great Game". Nothing has changed except who has the lead role in this game. It is the US.

Dempsey suggested Islamic State would remain a danger until it could no longer count on safe havens in areas of Syria under militant control."This is an organization that has an apocalyptic, end-of- days strategic vision and which will eventually have to be defeated," Dempsey said."To your question, can they be defeated without addressing that part of their organization which resides in Syria? The answer is no. That will have to be addressed on both sides of what is essentially at this point a non-existent border."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0GL24V20140821

This conflict has morphed so many time that it is really hard to follow the play. However the plot is the same and it's roots are in the game played by the British Empire.

The ultimate game is resources and making money. Conflict is the necessary ingredient allowing one to get their foot in the door and get "inside". Once inside all options are open as to how to stay their: install puppets like Shah of Iran, Saddam Hussein etc. or if that is not working you do a "Mossadegh De-installation" operation or fund extremists through 3rd, 4th parties.

Someone once suggested to me to watch this film as it gives a very good internal picture of the driving force of British Empire. Start at 10 min and listen carefully around 11 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R7n8B8KkZE
Just in case here is what caught my ear, "But it is in the papers. These Dervishes, their fanatics, they are spoiling ...."
So, then it was the Dirvishes and today it is Bokoharem, Al Qaeda, ISIS .......

This paper gives some "flesh" to what I am trying to explain.
http://www.quiqui.org/wp-content/upl...-an-Empire.pdf

I wasn't even aware they were besieging Gaza before the rockets started firing.

I would look at the maps in comment #33. It is clear as daylight that one side has no intention of coming to an agreement.

Good Luck Flintlock