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    US Federal Reserve on course to end QE3 in October

    Federal Reserve sends clear message that reduction in asset purchases remains on track

    Last month, committee members agreed to reduce its monthly bond-buying scheme by a further $10bn to $35bn in July Photo: Hisham Ibrahim









    By Szu Ping Chan

    8:08PM BST 09 Jul 2014

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    The US Federal Reserve is on course to end its multi-billion dollar bond buying programme in October, minutes from its latest meeting showed on Wednesday.

    The minutes of the Federal Open Market Committee's June meeting showed that policymakers "generally agreed" that the Fed's latest round of quantitative easing (QE) should be wound down in three months time if the recovery remained on track.


    The Fed has been cutting its purchase of Treasury and mortgage-backed securities by $10bn a month at each meeting, from a peak of $85bn. It plans to add a further $35bn of bonds this month, $25bn in August and September, and a final $15bn tranche in October.


    "If the economy progresses about as the Committee expects, warranting reductions in the pace of purchases at each upcoming meeting, this final reduction would occur following the October meeting," the minutes said.


    The Fed had previously refused to commit to a tapering timeline, and insisted in April that "the pace of asset purchases was not on a preset course" and remained data dependent.

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    The Federal Reserve's famous "dot chart", which shows where Fed policymakers believe interest rates will be over the next three years, as well as over the long term. For example, the dots for 2014 show that fifteen policymakers believe rates will be unchanged at 0.25pc at the end of this year. The top chart shows policymakers' latest projections, while the chart below shows expectations in March, illustrating a slight dovish shift in expectations. (Source: Federal Reserve).

    Economists at Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan have brought forward their expectation of a US interest rate rise in recent days amid stronger labour market data. However, the Fed said its clarification on QE3 had "no consequences for the eventual decision about the timing of the first increase in the federal funds rate", which it said would depend on the Committee’s "evolving assessments" of the economy.

    The minutes also showed that some policymakers were concerned that investors may be growing too complacent about the economic outlook and the central bank should be on the lookout for excessive risk-taking.

    “Signs of increased risk-taking were viewed by some participants as an indication that market participants were not factoring in sufficient uncertainty about the path of the economy and monetary policy,” the minutes showed.

    Last month, the Fed sharply downgraded its expectations for America’s economic growth in 2014. The FOMC believes the world’s largest economy will grow by between 2.1pc and 2.3pc this year, down from earlier forecasts of 2.9pc.

    Policymakers said the outlook remained positive after the big winter slowdown. Most participants said they expected growth in the world's biggest economy to "pick up notably in the second half of this year and remain in 2015 and 2016 above their estimates of the longer-run normal rate of output growth".

    The minutes added: "Participants generally judged that real GDP growth in the first half of this year was held down by transitory factors depressing output early in the year, and they pointed to a number of factors that they expected would continue to contribute to a pickup in economic growth later this year and next, including rising household net worth, diminished restraint from fiscal policy, improving labor market conditions, and highly accommodative monetary policy."

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    Re: QE over in Oct?

    Yup.

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    • #3
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      Ya, but notice on the expectations chart. They shifted everything lower.

      ZIRP forever it appears.

      Our at least until they break the system or their heads are mounted on pikes.

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      • #4
        Re: QE over in Oct?

        Never dismiss the backdoor - think Belgium . . . .

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        • #5
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          Originally posted by Fox View Post
          Ya, but notice on the expectations chart. They shifted everything lower.

          ZIRP forever it appears.

          Our at least until they break the system or their heads are mounted on pikes.
          The "QE to infinity" crowd were mistaken. Could be the "ZIRP forever" meme suffers the same fate?

          The Fed will probably break the system the way it usually does...by raising rates.

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          • #6
            Re: QE over in Oct?

            I hope so!
            Mike

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            • #7
              Re: QE over in Oct?

              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
              The "QE to infinity" crowd were mistaken. Could be the "ZIRP forever" meme suffers the same fate?

              The Fed will probably break the system the way it usually does...by raising rates.
              I was most certainly wrong about the Federal Reserve beginning the reduction of asset purchases this year. However, QE is not yet over and it remains to be seen if they'll be able to cease additional asset purchases for good and normalize interest rates. I don't believe there has been a real economic recovery--especially for lower skilled workers--and I'm still of the belief that the Federal Reserve will ultimately make a mistake somewhere that will require additional rounds of quantitative easing, assuming that the Fed still cares about maintaining high asset prices so as to generate a wealth effect.

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              • #8
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                The Fed has gestured that it may pause its multi-year long long-bond price fixing operations this October.

                Referring back to my copper pipe price fixing analogy, the Fed is not saying that it intends to throw open the warehouse doors and begin to sell its bond hoard willy nilly.

                In fact, it will have to re-invest trillions of dollar worth of bonds held.

                All they are saying is that they will cease to add to their hoard of copper pipe and see what happens when the Fed's "infinite balance sheet" is for a time no longer employed to directly perturb the market for long term government bonds.

                They are on the hook to keep increasing the hoard as long as the output gap remains.

                The output gap has been updated recently to project an output gap well into 2020.

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                  EJ,

                  And will this correspondingly result in low interest rates for the next 6 years? A lot flows from the answer to that question.

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                    Originally posted by EJ View Post

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                    I like how the Fed's Real GDP cranks up to a 3.5% run rate starting in '15. A run rate it hasn't experienced in the entire time series.

                    An interesting analysis would be to look at the relative amount of purchases the Fed made over the past several years to the overall market (by respective security pool) versus the relative amount they will have to make by"maintaining" the current size of its investment. At some point I would expect those to diverge based on the duration of the existing investment. That's when rates will move "naturally".
                    Last edited by askmes; July 13, 2014, 08:20 AM. Reason: Add'l fleeting thought

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                      Originally posted by EJ View Post
                      The output gap has been updated recently to project an output gap well into 2020.

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                      Why is the slope of the potential GDP dramatically increased from 2014 onwards?

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                      • #12
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                        YOU ASKED: And will this correspondingly result in low interest rates for the next 6 years? A lot flows from the answer to that question.

                        BASED ON EJ: Last interview the US dollar must be support by all central banks (including China) for interest rates to stay low. If China does not support the US dollar during the next asset crash, then interest rates will unlikely to be low.

                        MY COMMENTS: The US dollar is under attack as the petrodollar is being replaced by the yuan petrodollar. China does not want to crash the US dollar as it needs gold to back its yuan. If China cant buy gold or turn its US dollar assets into something hard (property, mines, business) then China will flex it muscle and react sell USD. USA is owned by China. You can bet the US Treasury makes weekly calls to its Chinese boss.

                        Also learn about the SubBurn missle. US does not dominate the world military any more.

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                          Originally posted by icm63 View Post
                          YOU ASKED: And will this correspondingly result in low interest rates for the next 6 years? A lot flows from the answer to that question.

                          BASED ON EJ: Last interview the US dollar must be support by all central banks (including China) for interest rates to stay low. If China does not support the US dollar during the next asset crash, then interest rates will unlikely to be low.

                          MY COMMENTS: The US dollar is under attack as the petrodollar is being replaced by the yuan petrodollar. China does not want to crash the US dollar as it needs gold to back its yuan. If China cant buy gold or turn its US dollar assets into something hard (property, mines, business) then China will flex it muscle and react sell USD. USA is owned by China. You can bet the US Treasury makes weekly calls to its Chinese boss.

                          Also learn about the SubBurn missle. US does not dominate the world military any more.
                          What if the "next asset crash" isn't centered in the USA or the US$? The "next financial crisis" is almost certain not to originate from the same source as the last one. What if it's Euro denominated sovereign bonds? Or Asia centered, as it was in wake of LTCM - only this time China doesn't escape? What if in the next asset crash Fortress America and the US$ become the go-to "object of desire"? What if in anticipation of the next asset crash Fortress America and the US$ become the go-to "object of desire"?

                          Every other nation in the world needs to depreciate its currency against the US$. None of them have sufficient income, credit capacity or FDI to maintain internal demand at the pace we have seen in the past decade or so. That includes Japan, the Euro currency bloc and the much-vaunted China-led BRIC. That is why the petrodollar is breaking down...they need to be able to buy oil in their own, soon to be even less valuable against the US$, currency. If they have to continue to buy oil in US$, to support their economies which are overly dependent on US consumers, they will be in big trouble...
                          Last edited by GRG55; July 13, 2014, 03:32 PM.

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                            USD as safe haven

                            Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                            What if the "next asset crash" isn't centered in the USA or the US$? The "next financial crisis" is almost certain not to originate from the same source as the last one. What if it's Euro denominated sovereign bonds? Or Asia centered, as it was in wake of LTCM - only this time China doesn't escape? What if in the next asset crash Fortress America and the US$ become the go-to "object of desire"?


                            ..

                            GRG55,

                            I don't dispute that Europe, Japan, and maybe China are as rickety as you claim.
                            What I do question is whether many will flee to $USD. Would they not go to hard assets instead?

                            The $USD itself has been dependent on Japanese and Chinese bailouts for years, so if those are going south, all the US has is the FED to buy T-bonds. Fed buying of T-bonds is at quite a high rate.

                            I guess you could argue that in this ZIRP environment, leverage has pushed most assets into bubble territory, so
                            cash might be the one asset not over valued.

                            For a "flight to safety" it's a pretty pathetic list of landing destinations to choose from.

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                            • #15
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                              The Sunburn missile has been around since 2000. The U.S. military has countermeasures, probably some we don't know about.

                              http://www.strategypage.com/dls/arti...0552912425.asp

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