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    If governments try to cut social security and medicare benefits for all but the rich, there will be a revolution. The young, who will have to pay for all this, may join private industry retirees in this controversy.

    How to Become a (Public Pension) Millionaire

    In five states, an average full-career retiree receives a retirement income higher than his final salary.


    By ANDREW G. BIGGS


    March 14, 2014 7:18 p.m. ET
    Detroit and San Bernardino and Stockton, Calif. are in bankruptcy, and across the country the costs of maintaining pensions for city and state employees more than doubled to nearly $84 billion in 2011 from 2002. Yet the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (Afscme) declares that public pensions are "modest," noting that its average member "receives a pension of approximately $19,000 per year after a career of public service."
    The facts don't agree. Data compiled from all state pensions show that, for employees who spend a career in state government, generous pensions put retired public workers among the highest earners in their state.
    It is true that average public-pension benefits rarely seem extravagant. But these averages are reduced by two groups: older employees who retired many years ago and whose benefits are far less than those of an employee retiring today; and by short-term workers who often receive tiny pensions but almost surely have retirement savings from another job.
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    A far more relevant measure of the public-pension burden is how much a typical full-career state employee retiring todayreceives. In a new study for the American Enterprise Institute, I compiled data from pensions plans' Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports, which show the average benefits paid to a newly retired state government employee with at least 30 years of job tenure. Public-safety employees, who typically receive the most generous pensions, are excluded from these figures. These are not one-off examples of egregious abuses. They are what the average full-career employee actually received in retirement.
    The typical full-career state worker retiring this year will receive an annual pension of $36,000, nearly double the $19,000 figure cited by Afscme. Add Social Security benefits, which state-government employees receive in 43 states, and the average rises to more than $51,000. These averages include states such as Mississippi, Indiana and Kansas where pension benefits don't appear overgenerous and aren't controversial.
    In California, by contrast, a typical full-career worker retiring today receives $61,560, plus roughly $20,000 in Social Security benefits. In Oregon the average new pension benefit is $58,188, while West Virginia pays $49,141 plus Social Security.
    Retiree health benefits, which most state government retirees receive, can add thousands of dollars each year. In Massachusetts, annual retiree health payments average $7,500. The California State Department of Personnel Administration once advertised to prospective employees the nearly half-million dollars in lifetime retiree health benefits they could expect to receive.
    Ideally, we could compare the incomes of retired public employees to those of private retirees, but government data do a poor job of tracking the income that private retirees receive from IRA and 401(k) plans. However, we can compare government retirees' incomes, including Social Security, with those of workers in their state. This is a more conservative approach, since retirees need a significantly lower income to maintain their standard of living.
    Data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics' Occupational Employment Statistics survey show that the average retired state-government employee has an income higher than 72% of full-time workers in his state. Generous public pensions ignore political bounds. A retired full-career California state worker takes home more than 87% of full-time workers' incomes, but the same is true for Alabama and Texas. Oregon pays its retirees more than is earned by 90% of employees in that state.
    Unions claim that no one works for government to get rich, but many public employees become "pension millionaires" along the way. In Nevada, an average full-career state worker can expect to receive $1.3 million in lifetime pension benefits. Alaska, California, Colorado and Oregon all pay lifetime benefits exceeding $1.2 million. A wealthy, high-cost-of-living state such as Connecticut offers more than $1 million in average lifetime benefits to full-career employees who retire today; so does a relatively low-cost state such as West Virginia.
    According to the Social Security Administration, financial advisers recommend a retirement income equal to 70% of pre-retirement pay. But 30 states pay replacement rates above 85%, and in five states—Oregon, California, Texas, New Mexico and West Virginia—an average full-career employee retiring today receives a retirement income higher than his final salary.
    This isn't to say that every public employee receives a generous pension. Due to vesting provisions and a "back-loaded" benefit formula, long-term employees receive generous benefits but government workers with shorter careers receive far less. Nearly half of government employees leave without any right to future pension benefits. Shorter-term employees would do better with a 401(k) or cash-balance plan, but public employee unions—dominated by long-career employees—oppose most pension reforms.
    Pension reform should do three things. First, make the true costs and generosity of government pensions more transparent, so policy makers and voters have a better understanding of what they have promised.
    Second, bring the generosity of pension benefits more in line with the private sector. Some state governments might have to pay more generous salaries to attract and retain workers—but most wouldn't.
    Third, public pensions should treat short and long-term employees more equitably. It is bizarre that state governments, despite per-employee pension spending that dwarfs that of private firms, allow many employees to leave public service with practically nothing set aside for retirement.
    Mr. Biggs is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. His study "Not So Modest: Pensions Paid to Full-Career Employees of State Governments" will be published on March 19 at www.aei.org.

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...&mg=reno64-wsj




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    Re: Public Pension Millionaires

    Originally posted by vt View Post
    If governments try to cut social security and medicare benefits for all but the rich, there will be a revolution. The young, who will have to pay for all this, may join private industry retirees in this controversy.

    How to Become a (Public Pension) Millionaire

    In five states, an average full-career retiree receives a retirement income higher than his final salary.


    ....
    Retiree health benefits, which most state government retirees receive, can add thousands of dollars each year. In Massachusetts, annual retiree health payments average $7,500....

    Data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics' Occupational Employment Statistics survey show that the average retired state-government employee has an income higher than 72% of full-time workers in his state. Generous public pensions ignore political bounds. A retired full-career California state worker takes home more than 87% of full-time workers' incomes, but the same is true for Alabama and Texas. Oregon pays its retirees more than is earned by 90% of employees in that state.

    Unions claim that no one works for government to get rich, but many public employees become "pension millionaires" along the way. In Nevada, an average full-career state worker can expect to receive $1.3 million in lifetime pension benefits. Alaska, California, Colorado and Oregon all pay lifetime benefits exceeding $1.2 million. A wealthy, high-cost-of-living state such as Connecticut offers more than $1 million in average lifetime benefits to full-career employees who retire today; so does a relatively low-cost state such as West Virginia.
    According to the Social Security Administration, financial advisers recommend a retirement income equal to 70% of pre-retirement pay. But 30 states pay replacement rates above 85%, and in five states—Oregon, California, Texas, New Mexico and West Virginia—an average full-career employee retiring today receives a retirement income higher than his final salary.

    This isn't to say that every public employee receives a generous pension. Due to vesting provisions and a "back-loaded" benefit formula, long-term employees receive generous benefits but government workers with shorter careers receive far less. Nearly half of government employees leave without any right to future pension benefits. Shorter-term employees would do better with a 401(k) or cash-balance plan, but public employee unions—dominated by long-career employees—oppose most pension reforms
    surprise?

    uh huh - a pal of mine's wife - MA teacher, 30yrs - topped out at 72k, collects 60k/yr - or more than she wouldve avg'd for her entire career?

    why i cant seem to cough up much sympathy for the 'plight' of teachers - yeah, sure - they dont get paid much at the start, for their 9mo/yr job - but if they can manage to hold on for 20or30 = JACKPOT baybee...

    and THEN, we have the 'double-dippers' and 'triple-dippers' and even mo'bettah, the High3 Spikers, never mind the '89day contractors'

    just gotta lu`uv how the mostly blue states political class + their UNIONS work this deal, huh?

    meanwhile, we're told how its 'the rich' that are exploiting The Rest of US?

    BS, i still say ITS THE POLITICAL CLASS and their LIES, their benefactors in lwr manhattan along with the rest of the limousine liberals and their co-conspirators in the social-welfare-edu industrial complex that are rigging the game against and at the expense of the rest of the working class!!

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    • #3
      Re: Public Pension Millionaires

      The “article” is a divide-and-conquer piece. Its title and the use of “typical” throughout the first half are disingenuous. One million $ divided by the average number of years lived after retiring at 65 = fifty thousand $ per year.

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      • #4
        Re: Public Pension Millionaires

        It's much better than social security, and a number of long term public employees get $75K to $100K a year. And this is just pensions; some get private work and claim social security after just a few years, plus they have their TSP accounts (like 401Ks).

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        • #5
          Re: Public Pension Millionaires

          You know even the california worker making 81k is not that much. It is expensive to live there. Here in the craddle of corruption Illinois, we have reports of people with enormous pensions 150K, 200K ... and up. They are few in number, but it really is distasteful, to see taxes go up every year and here some lard ass
          (usually an administrator not a rank and file worker), Walk away with jumbo pension.

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          • #6
            Re: Public Pension Millionaires

            A lot of lifetime govt workers take those pensions for granted. That's why some complain about low teacher pay for example. It completely escapes some that most of us will never get a dime in pension. With people living longer, that can be a huge difference. Of course, we live in the era of instant gratification, so no surprise some ignore the long term benefits.

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            • #7
              Re: Public Pension Millionaires

              My parents were teachers. The kickers of teaching came in during the 1990s with increases of 1-3% every year, and those increased continued into the 2000s. Luckily most people have no clue about the power of compounding.....the teachers unions get it. The votes for over rides never require a quorum - just get the municipal employees who live in the town. The whole system seems completely unsustainable to me......

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              • #8
                Re: Public Pension Millionaires

                Starting salary for Fairfax County Teacher (suburban Washington D.C.) bachelor's degree is $ 45,161 with 1.0 - 1.5% raises. Unreasonable?

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                • #9
                  Re: Public Pension Millionaires

                  My wife is a teacher. No, the salaries are not unreasonable. Just keep in mind the benefits are often huge. 2 months paid vacation in the summer. Every possible holiday you can think of, all paid. Spring break, Christmas, etc. Never have to work a holiday or weekend. They have one of the best medical plans available. If I had to go back to buying it on my own a comparable plan today would probably be in excess of $15,000 year! My kids can go to any school in the district they wish. Free after school program. We even get a discount on our cell phone plan. $45k is not bad money and when you add in the benefits its more like $60,000+. Prorate it over the 9 months they actually work and its comparable to a $80,000 year round self-employed type income. Not bad for some 20 something right out of college. Teaching Elementary kids is tough but it ain't rocket science. Then it just goes up from there, with added bonuses for more education, time on the job etc. Great retirement $. All in all, not a bad career, though you will never get rich doing it. So what? Should you?

                  People have a tendency to consider "benefits" as something everyone gets, and not to be considered in terms of compensation. They are not standard for a lot of people by any means. Plenty of college grads working at Starbucks these days. Most of the teachers in my area feel very happy with their pay, happy in fact just to have a job.
                  Last edited by flintlock; March 16, 2014, 07:54 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Public Pension Millionaires

                    Originally posted by flintlock View Post
                    My wife is a teacher. No, the salaries are not unreasonable. Just keep in mind the benefits are often huge. 2 months paid vacation in the summer. Every possible holiday you can think of, all paid.
                    Not to pick nits, but in my very short experience with teaching, the summer time is not paid. The salary is paid out over 9 months, with the option to take smaller checks and stretch it over 12. Maybe this is a New England thing. But if people I've talked to around the dinner table are right, I've known more than one teacher who took the 9 months' pay and hustled over summer doing some temporary jobs. I just don't think it makes sense to compare it to a 12 month salary. It's not a 12 month job. Even professors and private school teachers I've interacted with have to deal with this fact - either let the school keep your money interest free and spread it out, or deal with no income over the summer. The choice is yours. But the summer has never been a 'paid holiday.'

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                    • #11
                      Re: Public Pension Millionaires

                      Originally posted by flintlock View Post
                      A lot of lifetime govt workers take those pensions for granted. That's why some complain about low teacher pay for example. It completely escapes some that most of us will never get a dime in pension.
                      My sister retired as a principal in Cali...she makes more now than she did working, $100k+. I'm all for paying educators an excellent salary while working but zero pensions for all government workers. Let everyone 401k+SSI like the rest of us. If you save you'll have a nice retirement. If not you'll have plenty of friends from the private sector to commiserate with.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Public Pension Millionaires

                        Originally posted by santafe2 View Post
                        Let everyone 401k+SSI like the rest of us.
                        Why? or more to the point, why not reverse course and go the other way?

                        Once again, it's class warfare. Capital vs labor.

                        The most recent issue of the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ Monthly Labor Review provides a wealth of interesting—and depressing—statistics about pension coverage in the United States. The BLS’ “visual essay” documents the decline in defined benefit pensions, which now cover 18 percent of private-sector workers, down from 35 percent in the early 1990s.

                        Household coverage is higher, as many married couples have at least one spouse covered under a plan. Thus, a separate household survey conducted by the Federal Reserve found that 31 percent of households were covered by a defined benefit pension in 2010, though this includes households with workers employed in the public sector as well as retirees and workers covered under plans from previous jobs who are no longer accruing benefits.1

                        Though many workers are now enrolled in 401(k) plans, these have proven to be a poor substitute, as the typical household approaching retirement has less than two years’ worth of income saved in these accounts. The Fed survey found that the median households aged 55–64 had an income of $55,000 and just $100,000 saved in a retirement account, if they had a retirement account at all.

                        The BLS overview shows that pension coverage is much higher in the public sector (78 percent) and among unionized workers (67 percent) in the private sector. In contrast, only 13 percent of non-union private-sector workers are covered. The drop in private-sector coverage reflects both a decline in unionization and a decline in coverage among both groups of workers (union and non-union), though the decline was more pronounced among non-union workers.

                        Traditional pensions are the most cost-effective way to provide retirement security to workers but are not an option for many small businesses because they often require employers to take on long-term liabilities. Thus, 48 percent of private-sector establishments with 500 or more workers offered a pension plan, compared to only 8 percent of establishments with 50 or fewer workers. An exception to this pattern is small businesses in unionized industries such as construction and trucking where multi-employer plans are common and pension coverage is relatively high.
                        - See more at: http://www.epi.org/blog/private-sect....pZelegS4.dpuf

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                          Re: Public Pension Millionaires

                          The problem is on the high end of the scale and pension plans - there is no money nto pay these obligations. After twenty years all teachers in Fairfax County are making $74,000 - $84,000 for 185 day a year job, with a defined pension. Advance degrees can take a teacher to $100,000 - $110,000 - where will the money come to pay the future obligations of these defined pensions. http://www.fcps.edu/hr/salary/salaryscales.shtml

                          The challenge with paying teachers is that you need hordes of them to run a education system that was first designed in the 1880s.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Public Pension Millionaires

                            Your teacher friend in New England must be in a rotten school district.
                            Yes - they start at $45 K - but, can easily get to $90,000 - and over $100K with extra duties, and then the defined pension benefit.
                            Here is Lexington Ma salaries https://www.google.com/search?q=pay+...-a&channel=sb#
                            Here is a listing of the AVERAGE salaries for Massachusetts - check out Sherborn $98,0000, or Acton $78,000 (average for all teachers), Dover $91,000, Harvard $86,000, Tisbury $80,000 average,
                            profiles.doe.mass.edu/state_report/teachersalaries.aspx

                            All of the salaries above have Defined Pension plans and health care for life to go with them. The above are completely unaffordable in today's world......of course no politician will touch them until there are some bankruptcies.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Public Pension Millionaires

                              Originally posted by Thailandnotes View Post
                              Why? or more to the point, why not reverse course and go the other way?

                              Once again, it's class warfare. Capital vs labor.

                              The most recent issue of the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ Monthly Labor Review provides a wealth of interesting—and depressing—statistics about pension coverage in the United States... ~snip~ ... Though many workers are now enrolled in 401(k) plans, these have proven to be a poor substitute, as the typical household approaching retirement has less than two years’ worth of income saved in these accounts. The Fed survey found that the median households aged 55–64 had an income of $55,000 and just $100,000 saved in a retirement account, if they had a retirement account at all.
                              I've read the same things you have Thailandnotes.

                              Taken as a whole the 401k route has been an utter failure. Of course when this comes up there is immediate finger pointing and "devil take the hindmost" posturing. But whether some act irresponsibly regarding their retirement is the lesson not the problem. This is exactly why the Social Security system was founded in the first place and why it enjoys overwhelming support from the working class: it works.

                              It takes into account the frailties of human nature and makes folks pay for their future. It may be unpopular in some quarters but the truth is that without ~making~ people save for their future they won't. Not as a whole. Not as a rule. Maybe they cannot and maybe they will not but in the end what matter? Society will pay for it in one way or another.

                              IMvHO for any retirement system to be truly successful it ~must~ take into account human weakness.

                              Will

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