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    A new study sponsored by Nasa's Goddard Space Flight Center has highlighted the prospect that global industrial civilisation could collapse in coming decades due to unsustainable resource exploitation and increasingly unequal wealth distribution.

    Noting that warnings of 'collapse' are often seen to be fringe or controversial, the study attempts to make sense of compelling historical data showing that "the process of rise-and-collapse is actually a recurrent cycle found throughout history." Cases of severe civilisational disruption due to "precipitous collapse - often lasting centuries - have been quite common."

    The research project is based on a new cross-disciplinary 'Human And Nature DYnamical' (HANDY) model, led by applied mathematician Safa Motesharri of the US National Science Foundation-supported National Socio-Environmental Synthesis Center, in association with a team of natural and social scientists. The study based on the HANDY model has been accepted for publication in the peer-reviewed Elsevier journal, Ecological Economics.

    It finds that according to the historical record even advanced, complex civilisations are susceptible to collapse, raising questions about the sustainability of modern civilisation:

    "The fall of the Roman Empire, and the equally (if not more) advanced Han, Mauryan, and Gupta Empires, as well as so many advanced Mesopotamian Empires, are all testimony to the fact that advanced, sophisticated, complex, and creative civilizations can be both fragile and impermanent."


    By investigating the human-nature dynamics of these past cases of collapse, the project identifies the most salient interrelated factors which explain civilisational decline, and which may help determine the risk of collapse today: namely, Population, Climate, Water, Agriculture, and Energy.

    These factors can lead to collapse when they converge to generate two crucial social features: "the stretching of resources due to the strain placed on the ecological carrying capacity"; and "the economic stratification of society into Elites [rich] and Masses (or "Commoners") [poor]" These social phenomena have played "a central role in the character or in the process of the collapse," in all such cases over "the last five thousand years."

    Currently, high levels of economic stratification are linked directly to overconsumption of resources, with "Elites" based largely in industrialised countries responsible for both:

    "... accumulated surplus is not evenly distributed throughout society, but rather has been controlled by an elite. The mass of the population, while producing the wealth, is only allocated a small portion of it by elites, usually at or just above subsistence levels."

    The study challenges those who argue that technology will resolve these challenges by increasing efficiency:

    "Technological change can raise the efficiency of resource use, but it also tends to raise both per capita resource consumption and the scale of resource extraction, so that, absent policy effects, the increases in consumption often compensate for the increased efficiency of resource use."


    Productivity increases in agriculture and industry over the last two centuries has come from "increased (rather than decreased) resource throughput," despite dramatic efficiency gains over the same period.

    Modelling a range of different scenarios, Motesharri and his colleagues conclude that under conditions "closely reflecting the reality of the world today... we find that collapse is difficult to avoid." In the first of these scenarios, civilisation:


    ".... appears to be on a sustainable path for quite a long time, but even using an optimal depletion rate and starting with a very small number of Elites, the Elites eventually consume too much, resulting in a famine among Commoners that eventually causes the collapse of society. It is important to note that this Type-L collapse is due to an inequality-induced famine that causes a loss of workers, rather than a collapse of Nature."


    Another scenario focuses on the role of continued resource exploitation, finding that "with a larger depletion rate, the decline of the Commoners occurs faster, while the Elites are still thriving, but eventually the Commoners collapse completely, followed by the Elites."

    In both scenarios, Elite wealth monopolies mean that they are buffered from the most "detrimental effects of the environmental collapse until much later than the Commoners", allowing them to "continue 'business as usual' despite the impending catastrophe." The same mechanism, they argue, could explain how "historical collapses were allowed to occur by elites who appear to be oblivious to the catastrophic trajectory (most clearly apparent in the Roman and Mayan cases)."

    Applying this lesson to our contemporary predicament, the study warns that:


    "While some members of society might raise the alarm that the system is moving towards an impending collapse and therefore advocate structural changes to society in order to avoid it, Elites and their supporters, who opposed making these changes, could point to the long sustainable trajectory 'so far' in support of doing nothing."


    However, the scientists point out that the worst-case scenarios are by no means inevitable, and suggest that appropriate policy and structural changes could avoid collapse, if not pave the way toward a more stable civilisation.

    The two key solutions are to reduce economic inequality so as to ensure fairer distribution of resources, and to dramatically reduce resource consumption by relying on less intensive renewable resources and reducing population growth:


    "Collapse can be avoided and population can reach equilibrium if the per capita rate of depletion of nature is reduced to a sustainable level, and if resources are distributed in a reasonably equitable fashion."

    The NASA-funded HANDY model offers a highly credible wake-up call to governments, corporations and business - and consumers - to recognise that 'business as usual' cannot be sustained, and that policy and structural changes are required immediately.

    Although the study is largely theoretical, a number of other more empirically-focused studies - by KPMG and the UK Government Office of Science for instance - have warned that the convergence of food, water and energy crises could create a 'perfect storm' within about fifteen years. But these 'business as usual' forecasts could be very conservative.

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    Re: Societal Collapse: Different This Time?

    Fat chance of avoiding collapse. Ignorance and greed will prevail.

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      Re: Societal Collapse: Different This Time?

      How many times has something like this been predicted...

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        Re: Societal Collapse: Different This Time?

        Originally posted by don View Post
        A new study sponsored by Nasa's Goddard Space Flight Center...

        (snip)


        "The mass of the population, while producing the wealth, is only allocated a small portion of it by elites, usually at or just above subsistence levels."

        ....aaaand now even the government space agency is emitting Marxism. Good grief.

        Don't expect we'll be accomplishing anything significant in space anymore - at least not through the government. The era of The Right Stuff is finished...now we have to fill the ranks with affirmative action hires whose job is to lecture us on why we need to "redistribute" wealth. What the &!#* that has to do with space flight is beyond me.

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          It also occurred to me to wonder why NASA is spending its money on this????? It sure does not look like it has much to do with space flight!

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            Originally posted by jiimbergin View Post
            It also occurred to me to wonder why NASA is spending its money on this????? It sure does not look like it has much to do with space flight!
            They want to pre-sell fares to Mars...after all what better reason to get a ticket to ride than total global societal collapse...

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              Re: Societal Collapse: Different This Time?

              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
              How many times has something like this been predicted...
              Yes, but it is science, not just history.

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                Re: Societal Collapse: Different This Time?

                Originally posted by Mn_Mark View Post
                ....aaaand now even the government space agency is emitting Marxism. Good grief.

                Don't expect we'll be accomplishing anything significant in space anymore - at least not through the government. The era of The Right Stuff is finished...now we have to fill the ranks with affirmative action hires whose job is to lecture us on why we need to "redistribute" wealth. What the &!#* that has to do with space flight is beyond me.
                The "right stuff" costs too much for society now. Of course, warren buffet could go to the moon, along with a handful of wealthy elites if they so decided. Yet 300 million of us, collectively cannot pay for it. Nope, nothing bad about that.

                So, we have our geniuses contemplating other things. Or, they are on Wall Street making certain financial capitalists wealthier.

                The dude probably dreamed of space and was given a budget of zero. What do I do?, he asks his boss. I don't know, look at all the climate crap and tell us it will all be fine.

                Next thing we hear, is yes, if you run out of resources, we die off. It is usually a political problem that causes this, not lack of resources or "climate change". The most consistent factor was wealth inequality.

                In the past hundred years there were certainly times better than now. What laws, systems, unions, etc were in place then? School systems? What level of wealth inequality existed?

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                  Re: Societal Collapse: Different This Time?

                  I think the reasoning is very sound GRG55, the timing on the other hand is most difficult. Consider a computer for a moment. It's a complex mess of hardware and software. Billions of transistors perfectly crunching millions of lines of codes that do things that 99.999+% percent of users cannot even fathom while they're checking Facebook and email. And despite the amazing controlled chaos, it all works great... until a hard drive crashes or a fan dies and a chip melts. When will the drive die? Who knows... better back up your data.

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                    Re: Societal Collapse: Different This Time?

                    Originally posted by jiimbergin View Post
                    It also occurred to me to wonder why NASA is spending its money on this????? It sure does not look like it has much to do with space flight!
                    Neither does this 113 page report that NASA produced in 2001 that is a shocking analysis of what war could look like by 2025. This is what you get when DoD's Trillion plus budget waves $$ at a fund starving scientific-based organization. In 2014, most of this report still holds a high level of probability. This report is rather eye opening if you've never wondered how technological advancements may influence war techniques... and this goes way beyond drones. I suggest you read this in the morning, not before you go to bed:

                    NASA: Future Strategic Issues / Future Warfare [Circa 2025]
                    By: Dennis Bushnell, Chief Scientist @ NASA

                    http://www.stopthecrime.net/docs/nas...tureof-war.pdf
                    Warning: Network Engineer talking economics!

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                      Re: Societal Collapse: Different This Time?

                      It predicts everything except the low tech box cutter. Still, it is 2:19 in the morning, and you did warn. Very interesting read.

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                        Re: Societal Collapse: Different This Time?

                        Originally posted by Mn_Mark View Post
                        - at least not through the government. The era of The Right Stuff is finished...
                        Don't expect anything through the "private sector" with Elon Musk and Richard Branson either. There's not a dime - even a government one - of profit in it for them to explore for the sake of curiosity, wonder, and basic science. I'm sure they'll figure out how to send airhead trophy wives up. They'll learn all sorts about the effects of spaceflight on lazy asses, bags of silicone, and botchulism toxin. And they'll figure out lots about selling tickets on the inside cover of stock trader magazine. But the days of little kids dreaming about becoming an astronauts in the front yards of middle class homes will be over. There's no wonder or dreams that even a child could squeeze out of being a white-gloved commercial space-butler for the pampered elite. There's a future being made out there. It's just not for us.

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                          Re: Societal Collapse: Different This Time?

                          Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                          They want to pre-sell fares to Mars...after all what better reason to get a ticket to ride than total global societal collapse...

                          That must be it !!!

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                            Re: Societal Collapse: Different This Time?

                            Billionaires With Big Ideas Are Privatizing American Science

                            By WILLIAM J. BROAD


                            Last April, President Obama assembled some of the nation’s most august scientific dignitaries in the East Room of the White House. Joking that his grades in physics made him a dubious candidate for “scientist in chief,” he spoke of using technological innovation “to grow our economy” and unveiled “the next great American project”: a $100 million initiative to probe the mysteries of the human brain.

                            Along the way, he invoked the government’s leading role in a history of scientific glories, from putting a man on the moon to creating the Internet.The Brain initiative, as he described it, would be a continuation of that grand tradition, an ambitious rebuttal to deep cuts in federal financing for scientific research.

                            “We can’t afford to miss these opportunities while the rest of the world races ahead,” Mr. Obama said. “We have to seize them. I don’t want the next job-creating discoveries to happen in China or India or Germany. I want them to happen right here.”

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                            Absent from his narrative, though, was the back story, one that underscores a profound change taking place in the way science is paid for and practiced in America. In fact, the government initiative grew out of richly financed private research: A decade before, Paul G. Allen, a co-founder of Microsoft, had set up a brain science institute in Seattle, to which he donated $500 million, and Fred Kavli, a technology and real estate billionaire, had then established brain institutes at Yale, Columbia and the University of California. Scientists from those philanthropies, in turn, had helped devise the Obama administration’s plan.

                            American science, long a source of national power and pride, is increasingly becoming a private enterprise.

                            In Washington, budget cuts have left the nation’s research complex reeling. Labs are closing. Scientists are being laid off. Projects are being put on the shelf, especially in the risky, freewheeling realm of basic research. Yet from Silicon Valley to Wall Street, science philanthropy is hot, as many of the richest Americans seek to reinvent themselves as patrons of social progress through science research.

                            The result is a new calculus of influence and priorities that the scientific community views with a mix of gratitude and trepidation.

                            “For better or worse,” said Steven A. Edwards, a policy analyst at the American Association for the Advancement of Science, “the practice of science in the 21st century is becoming shaped less by national priorities or by peer-review groups and more by the particular preferences of individuals with huge amounts of money.”

                            They have mounted a private war on disease, with new protocols that break down walls between academia and industry to turn basic discoveries into effective treatments. They have rekindled traditions of scientific exploration by financing hunts for dinosaur bones and giant sea creatures. They are even beginning to challenge Washington in the costly game of big science, with innovative ships, undersea craft and giant telescopes — as well as the first private mission to deep space.

                            The new philanthropists represent the breadth of American business, people like Michael R. Bloomberg, the former New York mayor (and founder of the media company that bears his name), James Simons (hedge funds) and David H. Koch (oil and chemicals), among hundreds of wealthy donors. Especially prominent, though, are some of the boldest-face names of the tech world, among them Bill Gates (Microsoft), Eric E. Schmidt (Google) and Lawrence J. Ellison (Oracle).

                            This is philanthropy in the age of the new economy — financed with its outsize riches, practiced according to its individualistic, entrepreneurial creed. The donors are impatient with the deliberate, and often politicized, pace of public science, they say, and willing to take risks that government cannot or simply will not consider.

                            Yet that personal setting of priorities is precisely what troubles some in the science establishment. Many of the patrons, they say, are ignoring basic research — the kind that investigates the riddles of nature and has produced centuries of breakthroughs, even whole industries — for a jumble of popular, feel-good fields like environmental studies and space exploration.

                            As the power of philanthropic science has grown, so has the pitch, and the edge, of the debate. Nature, a family of leading science journals, has published a number of wary editorials,
                            one warning that while “we applaud and fully support the injection of more private money into science,” the financing could also “skew research” toward fields more trendy than central

                            “Physics isn’t sexy,” William H. Press, a White House science adviser, said in an interview. “But everybody looks at the sky.”

                            Fundamentally at stake, the critics say, is the social contract that cultivates science for the common good. They worry that the philanthropic billions tend to enrich elite universities at the expense of poor ones, while undermining political support for federally sponsored research and its efforts to foster a greater diversity of opportunity — geographic, economic, racial — among the nation’s scientific investigators.

                            Historically, disease research has been particularly prone to unequal attention along racial and economic lines. A look at major initiatives suggests that the philanthropists’ war on disease risks widening that gap, as a number of the campaigns, driven by personal adversity, target illnesses that predominantly afflict white people — like cystic fibrosis, melanoma and ovarian cancer.

                            Public money still accounts for most of America’s best research, as well as its remarkable depth and diversity. What is unclear is how far or fast that balance is shifting, since no one, either in or out of government, has been comprehensively tracking the magnitude and impact of private science. In recognition of its rising profile, though, the National Science Foundation recently announced plans to begin surveying the philanthropic landscape.

                            The philanthropists’ projects are as diverse as the careers that built their fortunes. George P. Mitchell, considered the father of the drilling process for oil and gas known as fracking, has given about $360 million to fields like particle physics, sustainable development and astronomy — including $35 million for the
                            Giant Magellan Telescope, now being built by a private consortium for installation atop a mountain in Chile.

                            The cosmos, Mr. Mitchell said in an interview before
                            his death last year, “is too big not to have a good map.”

                            Eli Broad, who earned his money in housing and insurance, donated $700 million for a venture between Harvard and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology to explore the genetic basis of disease. Gordon Moore of Intel has spent $850 million on research in physics, biology, the environment and astronomy. The investor Ronald O. Perelman, among other donations, gave more than $30 million to study women’s cancers — money that led to Herceptin, a breakthrough drug for certain kinds of breast cancer. Nathan P. Myhrvold, a former chief technology officer at Microsoft, has spent heavily on uncovering fossil remains of Tyrannosaurus rex, and Ray Dalio, founder of Bridgewater Associates, a hedge fund, has lent his mega-yacht to hunts for the elusive giant squid.

                            The availability of so much well-financed ambition has created a new kind of dating game. In what is becoming a common narrative, researchers like to describe how they begged the federal science establishment for funds, were brushed aside and turned instead to the welcoming arms of philanthropists. To help scientists bond quickly with potential benefactors, a cottage industry has emerged, offering workshops, personal coaching, role-playing exercises and the production of video appeals.

                            Advancement Resources of Cedar Rapids, Iowa, did its first workshop in 2002 and has now conducted hundreds across the country, mostly to coach scientists and medical institutions in what it calls the art of donor development. “We help make their work accessible to people who do not have scientific backgrounds but do understand money,” said its founder, Joe K. Golding.

                            Medical institutions are even training their own scientists and doctors in the art of soliciting money from grateful — and wealthy — patients. And Nature ran a lengthy
                            article giving tips on how to “sell science” and “woo philanthropists.” They included practicing an “elevator pitch” — a digest of research so compelling that it would seize a potential donor’s attention in the time between floors.

                            Practice in front of the mirror and “with anyone who will listen,” it advised. When the pitch is smooth enough, “aim high.”





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                              Re: Societal Collapse: Different This Time?

                              Originally posted by Mn_Mark View Post
                              ....aaaand now even the government space agency is emitting Marxism. Good grief.

                              Don't expect we'll be accomplishing anything significant in space anymore - at least not through the government. The era of The Right Stuff is finished...now we have to fill the ranks with affirmative action hires whose job is to lecture us on why we need to "redistribute" wealth. What the &!#* that has to do with space flight is beyond me.
                              Maybe on planet Galt, but here on Earth it's government who pays the piper and calls the tune for "private" spaceflight. In the US, government has been footing the bill since the Smithsonian sponsored Goddard's work.

                              How many private, non-government customers do SpaceX and Orbital Sciences have, I wonder? And how long might they remain in the private space flight business if those government contracts went away?

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