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    OLYMPIA, Wash. — On Christmas Eve, Kevin Johnson received the following gifts: a bed and mattress, a blanket and sheets, a desk and chair, a toilet and sink, towels and washcloths, toothpaste and floss, and a brand-new house.

    Mr. Johnson, a 48-year-old day laborer, did not find that last item beneath the Christmas tree, although it nearly would have fit. At 144 square feet — 8 by 18 feet, or roughly the dimensions of a Chevrolet Suburban — the rental house was small. Tiny would be a better descriptor. It was just half the size of the “micro” apartments that former Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg proposed for New York City.

    This scale bothered Mr. Johnson not at all, and a few weeks after moving in, he listed a few favorite design features. “A roof,” he said. “Heat.” A flush toilet! The tents where he had lived for most of the last seven years hadn’t provided any of those things.

    In what seemed like an Oprah stunt of old, Mr. Johnson’s friends (21 men and seven women) also moved into tiny houses on Dec. 24. They had all been members of a homeless community called Camp Quixote, a floating tent city that moved more than 20 times after its founding in 2007.

    Beyond its recent good fortune, the settlement was — and is — exceptional. Quixote Village, as it is now called, practices self-governance, with elected leadership and membership rules. While a nonprofit board called Panza funds and guides the project, needing help is not the same thing as being helpless. As Mr. Johnson likes to say, “I’m homeless, not stupid.”

    A planning committee, including Mr. Johnson, collaborated with Garner Miller, an architect, to create the new village’s site layout and living model. Later, the plans were presented to an all-camp assembly. “Those were some of the best-run and most efficient meetings I’ve ever been involved in,” said Mr. Miller, a partner at MSGS Architects. “I would do those over a school board any day.”

    The residents lobbied for a horseshoe layout rather than clusters of cottages, in order to minimize cliques. And they traded interior area for sitting porches. The social space lies outside the cottage. Or as Mr. Johnson put it, “If I don’t want to see anybody, I don’t have to.”

    It is rare that folks who live on the street have the chance to collaborate on a 2.1-acre, $3.05 million real estate development. Nearly as surprising is that Quixote Village may become a template for homeless housing projects across the country. The community has already hosted delegations from Santa Cruz, Calif.; Portland, Ore.; and Seattle; and fielded inquiries from homeless advocates in Ann Arbor, Mich.; Salt Lake City; and Prince George’s County, Md.

    Some advantages to building small are obvious. Ginger Segel, of the nonprofit developer Community Frameworks, points to construction costs at Quixote Village of just $19,000 a unit (which included paying labor at the prevailing commercial wage). Showers, laundry and a shared kitchen have been concentrated in a community center. When you add in the cost of site preparation and the community building, the 30 finished units cost $88,000 each.

    By comparison, Ms. Segel, 48, said, “I think the typical studio apartment for a homeless adult in western Washington costs between $200,000 and $250,000 to build.” In a sense, though, the difference is meaningless. Olympia and surrounding Thurston County hadn’t built any such housing for homeless adults since 2007.

    Most of that demographic, an estimated 450 souls, is unemployed. While the residents of Quixote Village are expected to pay 30 percent of their income toward rent, 15 of the 29 individuals reported a sum of zero. Ms. Segel added that the average annual income for the rest of the residents — including wages, pensions and Social Security payments — is about $3,100 each.

    Regular affordable housing is a luxury these folks cannot afford. “This, to my knowledge, is the first example of using micro-housing as subsidized housing for very poor people,” Ms. Segel said. “It’s such an obvious thing. People are living in tents. They’re living in cars. They’re living in the woods.”

    The “woods” is both an abstraction and a real place. See the fir trees behind Quixote Village, on the far side of the freight rail tracks? Last summer, Rebekah Johnson (no relation to Mr. Johnson) subsisted out there in a tent with her former boyfriend, just off a bike trail.









  • #2
    Re: Hooverville or Obamaville?

    Originally posted by don View Post
    ....
    Regular affordable housing is a luxury these folks cannot afford. “This, to my knowledge, is the first example of using micro-housing as subsidized housing for very poor people,” Ms. Segel said. “It’s such an obvious thing. People are living in tents. They’re living in cars. They’re living in the woods.”....
    or in stepvans (mine was 72sqft + the 'mezzanine' level bedroom ;)

    heh - i get a kick out of whats deemed to be affordable these daze - like say 253k for a hi-rise studio apt? + another 185/mo for maint + proptax

    and hey! - for only another 20grand + maint + proptax you can have yer very own "unreserved" parking stall!!

    and they line up for 'lotteries' to buy em...

    this (above and below) starts to look better every day - eh, mr don?
    What Is The Tiny House Movement?

    What are Tiny Houses? The Tiny House Movement? Tiny Living?
    Simply put it is a social movement where people are downsizing the space that they live in. The typical American home is around 2600 square feet, while the typical small or tiny house is around 100-400 square feet. Tiny Houses come in all shapes, sizes and forms but they focus on smaller spaces and simplified living.
    People are joining this movement for many reasons, but the most popular reasons are because of environmental concerns, financial concerns and seeking more time and freedom. For most Americans 1/3 to 1/2 of their income is dedicated to the roof over their heads; This translates to 15 years of working over your life time just to pay for it and because of it 76% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.
    So what is the alternative? One might be to live smaller. While we don’t think tiny houses are for everyone, there are lessons to be learned and applied to escape the cycle of debt where almost 70% of Americans are trapped in right now.

    This is a growing movement, that is for sure! With international attention on CNN, AP, Guardian, Huffington Post, NBC, Oprah, PBS and so many more people have come to know about another way to live their lives. Every month I have thousands and thousands of readers come to my site and I know other sites experience the same.
    This site focuses on Tiny Living or living The Tiny Life. Which Tiny Houses are the focal point in a broader system to address issues, concerns and problems of current day.
    Tiny Living Encompasses:
    • Tiny Houses
    • Life Simplification
    • Environmental Consciousness
    • Self Sufficiency
    • Sound Fiscal Plans
    • Social Consciousness





    Below are some videos that will help you gain a better idea of what this movement is all about. So Enjoy!

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    • #3
      Re: Hooverville or Obamaville?

      I like the idea of building a community, but they sure are wasting money reinventing the wheel. For $19,000 they build a 144 sq. ft cabin with no kitchen or shower.

      Contrast that with a used Park Model home. You get more than twice the home for half the money. Just down the street from me is one for sale for $10,500. It's a 1989 model, 12'x31' (372 sq. ft.) with a bedroom, bath (including a shower) living room and fully equipped kitchen. It has central air and heat. It's pretty inside and comfortable. Already-built homes like these have been around for ages; they're a dime a dozen.


      Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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      • #4
        Re: Hooverville or Obamaville?

        Yeah, but it is ugly. A tiny house can be very beautiful.

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        • #5
          Re: Hooverville or Obamaville?

          Great chart, Lek. I no longer live in a big house, and yes, I live mortgage free (with the standard lifetime fees). I do 90% of my work in my home studio. If my wife and I shared a 187 sq Ft domicile/workplace instead, I would live in an even smaller space - aka a jail cell

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          • #6
            Re: Hooverville or Obamaville?

            Originally posted by BadJuju View Post
            Yeah, but it is ugly. A tiny house can be very beautiful.
            Ugly is subjective. So is pretty. I've been in these homes. Some are ugly and some are really nice inside. You know what's really ugly? Living in a tent! They're trying to get homeless people out of tents and into something better. Had they gone with Park Model homes they could have housed twice as many people for the same amount of money.

            There's a little mobile home near me that was built in the 50's. It looks old and worn on the outside, but on the inside it's gorgeous! Solid maple cabinets with copper hardware. Solid wood paneled walls. Beveled glass bay windows. Ingenious built-in storage in the bedroom and living room. It's a little gem! If you saw it, I guarantee you would change your opinion that these homes are all ugly.

            I know a lot of people who choose to live in Park Models. Good, decent people who are not rich. Some are working and some are retired. For the price of a used car they got a fully furnished home of their own with no mortgage.

            If you put a Park Model next to a tiny house and ask people which they would rather live in, most would choose the more practical one with a shower, kitchen and 2-1/2 times more living space.

            I'm not knocking tiny houses. What I'm saying is that if people are looking for affordable housing solutions, there's a good one that is being overlooked because it has a stigma attached to it.

            Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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            • #7
              Re: Hooverville or Obamaville?

              Originally posted by shiny! View Post
              Ugly is subjective. So is pretty. I've been in these homes. Some are ugly and some are really nice inside. You know what's really ugly? Living in a tent! They're trying to get homeless people out of tents and into something better. Had they gone with Park Model homes they could have housed twice as many people for the same amount of money.

              There's a little mobile home near me that was built in the 50's. It looks old and worn on the outside, but on the inside it's gorgeous! Solid maple cabinets with copper hardware. Solid wood paneled walls. Beveled glass bay windows. Ingenious built-in storage in the bedroom and living room. It's a little gem! If you saw it, I guarantee you would change your opinion that these homes are all ugly.

              I know a lot of people who choose to live in Park Models. Good, decent people who are not rich. Some are working and some are retired. For the price of a used car they got a fully furnished home of their own with no mortgage.

              If you put a Park Model next to a tiny house and ask people which they would rather live in, most would choose the more practical one with a shower, kitchen and 2-1/2 times more living space.

              I'm not knocking tiny houses. What I'm saying is that if people are looking for affordable housing solutions, there's a good one that is being overlooked because it has a stigma attached to it.
              I totally agree! I prefer more space, but I lived quite happily for 12 years in an 8'x32' travel trailer, with spouse...made the same year I was born...1955. Oak paneling, clever, dainty layout...4 8x8'rooms in a row...bedroom, bath, kitchen living room. It was 256 square feet of comfort, and every amenity, and it only cost 3K, including rewiring it. And there was enough room for 3 people in the living room/dining alcove in the kitchen. Cosy, but not luxurious. When I moved to my current 1260 square foot home, I did feel liberated, but that's more because of the 5 acres it's on. Space is worth paying for, but one should at least be able to have a minimum amount for a sensible price, and a modest space rent. We paid $75 a month, plus utilities. It was a very good deal.

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              • #8
                Re: Hooverville or Obamaville?

                Originally posted by Forrest View Post
                I totally agree! I prefer more space, but I lived quite happily for 12 years in an 8'x32' travel trailer, with spouse...made the same year I was born...1955. Oak paneling, clever, dainty layout...4 8x8'rooms in a row...bedroom, bath, kitchen living room. It was 256 square feet of comfort, and every amenity, and it only cost 3K, including rewiring it. And there was enough room for 3 people in the living room/dining alcove in the kitchen. Cosy, but not luxurious. When I moved to my current 1260 square foot home, I did feel liberated, but that's more because of the 5 acres it's on. Space is worth paying for, but one should at least be able to have a minimum amount for a sensible price, and a modest space rent. We paid $75 a month, plus utilities. It was a very good deal.
                Your travel trailer sounds a lot like the mobile home I saw. "Clever and dainty" describes it perfectly. They really can be quite charming.

                We bought our 14'x54' home for $3,000. My husband replaced the carpeting with porcelain tile and replaced most of the windows with insulated, double-glazed windows. I remodeled the bathroom the summer before last: tiled floor and walls, a large porcelain tub, IKEA cabinets and talavera tiled counter. When we tore out the old sheetrock we were impressed with the amount of insulation in the exterior walls. My kitchen has IKEA cabinets with pullout drawers in the lower cabinets, miles of wooden countertop and a ginormous single-bowl sink.

                With all-electric central air and heat, my monthly electric bill averages $90. The gas hot water heater runs $22/month. Home insurance is $325/year for full replacement value. Property taxes have shot up to $90/year, from $54 a few years ago. Space rent is $388/month. I have no mortgage.

                Mobile homes and manufactured houses can be very nice. Too bad they're the red-headed stepchildren of housing!

                Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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                • #9
                  Re: Hooverville or Obamaville?

                  Speaking of ugly trailers, Jim Rockford's beach front trailer makes the top of my list.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Hooverville or Obamaville?

                    Originally posted by shiny! View Post
                    I like the idea of building a community, but they sure are wasting money reinventing the wheel. For $19,000 they build a 144 sq. ft cabin with no kitchen or shower.

                    Contrast that with a used Park Model home. You get more than twice the home for half the money. Just down the street from me is one for sale for $10,500. It's a 1989 model, 12'x31' (372 sq. ft.) with a bedroom, bath (including a shower) living room and fully equipped kitchen. It has central air and heat. It's pretty inside and comfortable. Already-built homes like these have been around for ages; they're a dime a dozen.
                    This isn't primarily about the houses, it's about influencing government policy in the way it deals with the homeless. Involved with this endeavor are architects and a "non-profit" developer (I put that in quotes because I can't quite figure out how a non-profit developer actually stays in business, unless it is subsidized by the profits of others).

                    I suspect it is exceedingly difficult to make a social statement, or attract attention from the opposite coast, advocating in favour of the traditional modular home...
                    "...A planning committee, including Mr. Johnson, collaborated with Garner Miller, an architect, to create the new village’s site layout and living model. Later, the plans were presented to an all-camp assembly. “Those were some of the best-run and most efficient meetings I’ve ever been involved in,” said Mr. Miller, a partner at MSGS Architects. “I would do those over a school board any day.”

                    The residents lobbied for a horseshoe layout rather than clusters of cottages, in order to minimize cliques. And they traded interior area for sitting porches. The social space lies outside the cottage. Or as Mr. Johnson put it, “If I don’t want to see anybody, I don’t have to.”

                    It is rare that folks who live on the street have the chance to collaborate on a 2.1-acre, $3.05 million real estate development. Nearly as surprising is that Quixote Village may become a template for homeless housing projects across the country. The community has already hosted delegations from Santa Cruz, Calif.; Portland, Ore.; and Seattle; and fielded inquiries from homeless advocates in Ann Arbor, Mich.; Salt Lake City; and Prince George’s County, Md.

                    Some advantages to building small are obvious. Ginger Segel, of the nonprofit developer Community Frameworks, points to construction costs at Quixote Village of just $19,000 a unit (which included paying labor at the prevailing commercial wage). Showers, laundry and a shared kitchen have been concentrated in a community center. When you add in the cost of site preparation and the community building, the 30 finished units cost $88,000 each..."

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                    • #11
                      Re: Hooverville or Obamaville?

                      Put the ugly house somewhere sunny and warm and I'm all over ugly :-)
                      I love the post of the mobile home that shiny put up. That is my dream house.
                      Imangine a house to be owned for about the price of my taxes.
                      Last edited by charliebrown; February 23, 2014, 01:11 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Hooverville or Obamaville?

                        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...es-result.html

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                        • #13
                          Re: Hooverville or Obamaville?

                          Originally posted by shiny! View Post
                          I like the idea of building a community, but they sure are wasting money reinventing the wheel. For $19,000 they build a 144 sq. ft cabin with no kitchen or shower.

                          Contrast that with a used Park Model home. You get more than twice the home for half the money. Just down the street from me is one for sale for $10,500. It's a 1989 model, 12'x31' (372 sq. ft.) with a bedroom, bath (including a shower) living room and fully equipped kitchen. It has central air and heat. It's pretty inside and comfortable. Already-built homes like these have been around for ages; they're a dime a dozen.
                          +1

                          "Tiny Houses" and "Micro Lofts" are just mobile home equivalents built to look like an Apple Store - only they're not mobile, and they're a lot smaller, and they cost a lot more. Oh the trouble people will go through to re-invent the wheel to be 'yuppie-accessable.'

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                          • #14
                            Re: Hooverville or Obamaville?

                            A friend of mine, an 8 figure portfolio member, spins Renter Nation as a swelling desire of people for ownership-free living, so they can enjoy life more. Travel, leisure, whatever. He never mentions financial necessity.

                            (surprised there hasn't been an Apple micro-loft in SF yet. All plastic, all white, loaded with Apple wear.)

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                            • #15
                              Re: Hooverville or Obamaville?

                              Originally posted by don View Post
                              A friend of mine, an 8 figure portfolio member, spins Renter Nation as a swelling desire of people for ownership-free living, so they can enjoy life more. Travel, leisure, whatever. He never mentions financial necessity.

                              (surprised there hasn't been an Apple micro-loft in SF yet. All plastic, all white, loaded with Apple wear.)
                              The developers are way ahead of you, Don. 160sqft and built for SF. I heard this guy has some open south of market now for $1,600/mo. Of course, this video's just the beta version, but I remember watching it and the Apple aesthetic was never far from my mind...check it out...you can fastforward to a bit past the one minute mark to get to the meat and potatoes.

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