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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...31e_story.html

    I wonder what the powers at be are up to?

    The United States may be on course to becoming a “Downton Abbey” economy. There are valid causes for concern about inequality: sharp increases in the share of income going to the top 1 percent of earners, a rising share of income going to profits, stagnant real wages and a rising gap between productivity growth and growth in median family incomes. A generation ago, it could have been asserted that the economy’s overall growth rate was the dominant determinant of growth in middle-class incomes and progress in reducing poverty. This is no longer a plausible claim.

    Issues associated with an increasingly unequal distribution of economic rewards are likely to be with us long after cyclical conditions have normalized and budget deficits have been addressed.


    Those who condemn President Obama’s concern about inequality as “tearing down the wealthy” and un-American populism have, to put it politely, limited historical perspective. Consider some past presidential rhetoric:

    Franklin Roosevelt said of the financial industry in his first inaugural address: “Practices of the unscrupulous money changers stand indicted in the court of public opinion . . . they know only the rules of a generation of self-seekers. . . . and when there is no vision the people perish.” In 1936, Roosevelt asserted that “we had to struggle with the old enemies of peace — business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking. . . . They are unanimous in their hate for me, and I welcome their hatred.”

    Harry Truman observed: “The Wall Street reactionaries are not satisfied with being rich. . . . They want a return of the Wall Street economic dictatorship.”


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    Re: Summers The US downton Abbey Economy

    Sugarbush - Warren Vermont - the company town owned by Win Smith as in Winthrop Smith. Perhaps you have heard the name Smith when you hear a Merrill Lynch commercial.

    His father was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winthrop_H._Smith.

    Sugarbush is my favorite New England ski destination, but I have watched as the lousy economy and the rise of the Win Smith DowntownAbbey economy. First Win Smith acquired Sugarbush and then the all inclusive real estate development/on mountain entertainment industry was launch.

    It is very possible that Sugarbush may not have survived without Mr Smith's financial support.

    But even the thriving general store down in the Village is own by Win Smith http://www.warrenstore.com/

    Across the street from the Warren Store is the Pitcher Inn and would you care to guess who owns it......http://www.bootsnall.com/articles/04...rmont-usa.html

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      Re: Summers The US downton Abbey Economy

      Originally posted by BK View Post
      ...
      It is very possible that Sugarbush may not have survived without Mr Smith's financial support.....
      maybe, maybe not - but considering whats happened just down the road at mad river glen, where the patrons themselves saved the place from going belly up - its not all that certain (that nuthin but the mega-rich can keep things like ski areas alive)

      but it isnt always just about the bottom line, as the history of my ole 'stomping ground' shows - where 1 guy made all the difference in how these small towns either make it, or dont

      course having REALLY DEEP POCKETS dont hurt neither - not to mention $129/day lift tix (their peak season rate thru mar)

      and then theres what happened with/to les otten... altho les isnt the type to just lay down, as recent events show

      but by the looks of things there on the western slope of the continental divide, the bleeding edge of the upper end is going along swimmingly (booming wouldnt be an exageration, altho eye did see quite a few 'markdowns' on 7-8 figure listings)

      and after a recent safari over there to observe climate change (up close/personal/kneedeep ;) - would have to say that
      'downtown abbey economy' describes purrfectly whats happnin (esp in CO ski towns, where a modern day goldrush has been krankin on ZIRP the past few years)

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        Re: Summers The US downton Abbey Economy

        Summers the copy cat: http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...75971#poststop

        I mention the "Downton Abbey" economy and 3 days later he shows up in the WaPo with an op-ed saying the US economy is heading toward a Downton Abbey economy.

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          Re: Summers The US downton Abbey Economy

          Originally posted by ProdigyofZen View Post
          Summers the copy cat: http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...75971#poststop

          I mention the "Downton Abbey" economy and 3 days later he shows up in the WaPo with an op-ed saying the US economy is heading toward a Downton Abbey economy.
          And the people who never listen to you will probably listen to him. Grrrrrrr!

          Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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            Re: Summers The US downton Abbey Economy

            Originally posted by ProdigyofZen View Post
            Summers the copy cat: http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...75971#poststop

            I mention the "Downton Abbey" economy and 3 days later he shows up in the WaPo with an op-ed saying the US economy is heading toward a Downton Abbey economy.
            don't you know that summers is a subscriber here?

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              Re: Summers The US downton Abbey Economy

              Originally posted by jk View Post
              don't you know that summers is a subscriber here?
              Is he? Or are you just saying that?

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                Re: Summers The US downton Abbey Economy

                Originally posted by ProdigyofZen View Post
                Is he? Or are you just saying that?
                i was kidding. i thought it was pretty clear that summers would feel above us all here.

                still, i suppose it's theoretically possible- ej and fred know the real emails of everyone here, but they would never tell.

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                • #9
                  Re: Summers The US downton Abbey Economy

                  Well you never know who is lurking. When reading Part 1 of any of EJs research pieces there will be about 40 to 50 members but over 100 "non-members" or "guests" reading. Just like now, there are 5 members reading this thread and 6 guests.

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                    Re: Summers The US downton Abbey Economy

                    Originally posted by ProdigyofZen View Post
                    Well you never know who is lurking. When reading Part 1 of any of EJs research pieces there will be about 40 to 50 members but over 100 "non-members" or "guests" reading. Just like now, there are 5 members reading this thread and 6 guests.
                    Even that # is deceiving … probably due to the packaged S/W used. I still show as a member when I'm reading a thread (3 members reading & I'm one) but while I once was a paying member, I have not been for a couple of years.

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                      Re: Summers The US downton Abbey Economy

                      Originally posted by ProdigyofZen View Post
                      http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...31e_story.html

                      I wonder what the powers at be are up to?
                      I don't think there's a mystery here, various politicos have been talking about this stuff for years:

                      Meanwhile, the ratio of corporate tax collections to the market value of U.S. corporations is near a record low, thanks to various loopholes. And the estate tax can be substantially avoided by those prepared to plan and seek sophisticated advice. Closing loopholes that only the wealthy can enjoy would enable targeted tax measures such as the earned-income tax credit to raise the incomes of the poor and middle class more than dollar for dollar by incentivizing working and saving.
                      To answer your question, this paragraph describes the policies that Summers and his people favor. The Washington Post's headline and the sentence underlined above are especially laughable. Closing loopholes on one group raises incomes for another? I'm sure they've got a model that they think proves this bullshit, but that doesn't alter the fact that it sounds like Summers pulled it out of his ass.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Summers The US downton Abbey Economy

                        Originally posted by Slimprofits View Post
                        I don't think there's a mystery here, various politicos have been talking about this stuff for years:



                        To answer your question, this paragraph describes the policies that Summers and his people favor. The Washington Post's headline and the sentence underlined above are especially laughable. Closing loopholes on one group raises incomes for another? I'm sure they've got a model that they think proves this bullshit, but that doesn't alter the fact that it sounds like Summers pulled it out of his ass.
                        no. what he said was increasing gov't tax revenues by "closing loopholes" used by corporations and wealthy individuals, would "enable" other policies to be funded while being, overall, revenue neutral.

                        both the "closing" and the "enabling" would require legislation.

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                          Re: Summers The US downton Abbey Economy

                          Thanks JK, I misread it the first time, but still take issues with Summer's editorial. In plain language, this is what he wrote: "Closing tax loopholes that some people utilize will allow us to reduce the taxes on incomes of some other people (via the EITC) will raise the incomes of those other people." Maybe this is just a semantics arguement, but reducing taxes on incomes doesn't raise those incomes. Secondly, in the bigger scheme it amounts to deck chair shuffling.
                          Last edited by Slimprofits; February 26, 2014, 11:09 AM.

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