Four banker suicides within a week - A sign, or mere coincidence?

[ProdigyofZen]

Re: Four banker suicides within a week - A sign, or mere coincidence?

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[don]

Re: Four banker suicides within a week - A sign, or mere coincidence?

(B)anker (B)acked (S)ecurities, tranched by manner of death . . .

[ProdigyofZen]

Re: Four banker suicides within a week - A sign, or mere coincidence?

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/61200

If anyone else has ever used a nail gun (why on earth he would have a nail gun in his car hooked up to a compressor pump beats me) than you would know it would be decently difficult to kill yourself with it. There are different size nail guns but they have safety guards that require someone to press the full guard down (as in pressing on a piece of wood) before the trigger can be pulled.

He would have to turn the nail gun around and press toward him into his abdomen in order for it to trigger. You would be in agonizing pain from one shot that would most likely go straight through you and out the other side if it didnt hit a bone etc.

I have seen guys while nailing a 2X4 place their hand behind the 2x4 and shoot the nail gun only to have it go straight through the wood AND through their hand.

The guy supposedly shot himself a few times in the torso then in the head? Unlikely. I am not so sure that was a suicide.

[thriftyandboringinohio]

Re: Four banker suicides within a week - A sign, or mere coincidence?

If anyone else has ever used a nail gun (why on earth he would have a nail gun in his car hooked up to a compressor pump beats me) than you would know it would be decently difficult to kill yourself with it. There are different size nail guns but they have safety guards that require someone to press the full guard down (as in pressing on a piece of wood) before the trigger can be pulled.

He would have to turn the nail gun around and press toward him into his abdomen in order for it to trigger. You would be in agonizing pain from one shot that would most likely go straight through you and out the other side if it didnt hit a bone etc.

I have seen guys while nailing a 2X4 place their hand behind the 2x4 and shoot the nail gun only to have it go straight through the wood AND through their hand.

The guy supposedly shot himself a few times in the torso then in the head? Unlikely. I am not so sure that was a suicide.

I have used a nail gun, have my framing gun in my basement right now.
Suicide by nail gun seems damn improbable to me, not much more believable than beating yourself to death with a baseball bat.

[wayiwalk]

Re: Four banker suicides within a week - A sign, or mere coincidence?

Yet another banker has committed suicide, with a JP Morgan forex trader leaping to his death from the top of the firm’s Chater House headquarters in Hong Kong.

Man pictured before his suicide (SCMP).

Over the past few weeks at least seven bankers have died under mysterious circumstances, including another JP Morgan senior manager who jumped off the top of a skyscraper in London last month.

Speculation is rife that the series of deaths are connected to some kind of looming financial crisis or a huge legal case targeting bankers for malfeasance, although no definite link has been established.

Eyewitnesses said that the man, who was in his 30′s, accessed the roof of the 30 story office tower and jumped, with police on the scene failing to talk him out of committing suicide. Chater House is JP Morgan’s main regional Asian office.

“According to several JP Morgan employees, the man was a forex trader with the company,” reports the South China Morning Post, adding that his name was Li Junjie. The bank itself refused to confirm that the man was an employee.

Junjie becomes the 7th banker to suddenly die in recent weeks. Questions as to whether the deaths are merely a coincidence or are linked to some as yet unknown factor continue to swirl.

Didn't EJ make a very quiet statement in the last year that the would be prosecutions starting in the financial industry. I don't think he really elaborated on it much. Even forgetting SAC and the recent Martoma conviction, there's got to be alot more going on.

I don't think anyone is surprised, either. When you realize just how much money is changing hands, strike that, flowing into hands that can't possibly be playing the game fairly, it is only a matter of time before prosecutions start happening.


7 suicides? Maybe some of them murders? Something is definitely up.

[wayiwalk]

Re: Four banker suicides within a week - A sign, or mere coincidence?

just noticed this article....

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/02/...oofinance&_r=0

[Woodsman]

Re: Four banker suicides within a week - A sign, or mere coincidence?

I have used a nail gun, have my framing gun in my basement right now.
Suicide by nail gun seems damn improbable to me, not much more believable than beating yourself to death with a baseball bat.

If these deaths are more than what they are reported, surely we will never know the true story.

If for the sake of argument such extralegal acts of extreme prejudice do take place, then surely those who order and perpetrate them have more subtle means at their disposals than throwing people off buildings or hanging them. Could not such things could just as easily be made to look like accidents, a random act of violence, or even some more creative circumstance intended to discredit the marked man?

This is why the cluster of banker suicides is so fascinating. If it were just a matter of eliminating people, why be so grandiose as to employ such things as a nail gun? Anyone who's used a nail gun would testify that it would take about as long (and hurt as much) to off oneself with one as it would a garden variety hammer. Surely one would have to be as dumb as a hammer to try it.

[don]

Re: Four banker suicides within a week - A sign, or mere coincidence?

If these deaths are more than what they are reported, surely we will never know the true story.

If for the sake of argument such extralegal acts of extreme prejudice do take place, then surely those who order and perpetrate them have more subtle means at their disposals than throwing people off buildings or hanging them. Could not such things could just as easily be made to look like accidents, a random act of violence, or even some more creative circumstance intended to discredit the marked man?

This is why the cluster of banker suicides is so fascinating. If it were just a matter of eliminating people, why be so grandiose as to employ such things as a nail gun? Anyone who's used a nail gun would testify that it would take about as long (and hurt as much) to off oneself with one as it would a garden variety hammer. Surely one would have to be as dumb as a hammer to try it.

I spent 30 years in construction and a nail gun is one of most intimidating power tools on the job. Don't overlook the death by example. In-your-face power has its place.

[shiny!]

Re: Four banker suicides within a week - A sign, or mere coincidence?

If these deaths are more than what they are reported, surely we will never know the true story.

If for the sake of argument such extralegal acts of extreme prejudice do take place, then surely those who order and perpetrate them have more subtle means at their disposals than throwing people off buildings or hanging them. Could not such things could just as easily be made to look like accidents, a random act of violence, or even some more creative circumstance intended to discredit the marked man?

This is why the cluster of banker suicides is so fascinating. If it were just a matter of eliminating people, why be so grandiose as to employ such things as a nail gun? Anyone who's used a nail gun would testify that it would take about as long (and hurt as much) to off oneself with one as it would a garden variety hammer. Surely one would have to be as dumb as a hammer to try it.

I don't buy "suicide by nailgun." I think "sending a message by nailgun" is far more likely.

I'm also struck by the police being so quick to call it a suicide. You'd think for a death by multiple shots from a nailgun they'd at least do a homicide investigation before closing the book.

If these are in fact murders, why should those responsible go to the trouble of making them look like accidents? If you already have control over the police, the press and investigative agencies, you don't need to cover up your actions. You just tell them what to say, they say it, and the majority of people go on about their lives none the wiser.

[Woodsman]

Re: Four banker suicides within a week - A sign, or mere coincidence?

I don't buy "suicide by nailgun." I think "sending a message by nailgun" is far more likely.

I'm also struck by the police being so quick to call it a suicide. You'd think for a death by multiple shots from a nailgun they'd at least do a homicide investigation before closing the book.

If these are in fact murders, why should those responsible go to the trouble of making them look like accidents? If you already have control over the police, the press and investigative agencies, you don't need to cover up your actions. You just tell them what to say, they say it, and the majority of people go on about their lives none the wiser.

Okay, but consider the implications of what's being suggested here and I mean comprehensively across the entire chain of reasoning. I understand it's all speculation but still it's a big bite to swallow all at once, no?

[ProdigyofZen]

Re: Four banker suicides within a week - A sign, or mere coincidence?

Okay, but consider the implications of what's being suggested here and I mean comprehensively across the entire chain of reasoning. I understand it's all speculation but still it's a big bite to swallow all at once, no?

Just for clarification, I am not suggesting that their is a conspiracy to off bankers who supposedly have knowledge of some pending financial ruling or crash.

I am just debating the ability of someone to kill themselves with a nail gun. I find that interesting, only because of my personal experience using a framing nail gun.

I have a few times pulled the guard back and fired the gun with it pointed in the air to see how far the nail would go. It never stays straight but flips end over end when you do that.

[shiny!]

Re: Four banker suicides within a week - A sign, or mere coincidence?

Okay, but consider the implications of what's being suggested here and I mean comprehensively across the entire chain of reasoning. I understand it's all speculation but still it's a big bite to swallow all at once, no?

It is all just speculation and definitely a big bite to swallow. Here's my reasoning:

I look at what I was taught about the Soviet Union when I was a little girl:

• Governent control over the people was centralized.
• The Soviet government had total control over the media, which was basically a propaganda machine.
• Even though people got to vote in elections, all the candidates were members of the same party so there was basically no choice.
• The government spied on its people, monitored their movements around the country and controlled their comings and goings.

Switch to present day in the USA:

• Government control is largely centralized in Washington, and moreso every day.
• The MSM is centralized in only a few hands. It is little more than a propaganda machine.
• Republocrats use social issues to keep up the illusion that there are major differences between the parties, but they all serve the same corporate masters to the detriment of the majority of citizens.
• The government spies on us in ways the KGB could only fantasize about. It monitors our movements and controls our comings and goings.
• Lawless oligarchs own the politicians and possibly the courts, who dutifully skew policies and taxpayer dollars to the benefit of said oligarchs.
• The breakdown of the Rule of Law is approaching critical mass.

While I don't know for a fact that there is a conspiracy to kill bankers, I don't have any difficulty thinking that there could be. If it's true, I don't think the ones behind the conspiracy have much to fear about showing their hand, since they control the government and the media. It doesn't matter what happens anymore because not enough people will get upset enough do anything about it.

The last 30-40 years or so have been a gradual bloodless coup by banks and corporations to take over the government. They succeeded. The government doesn't need concentration camps to control serfs "consumers." They've given us entertainment and drugs to keep us comfortably numb, plus debt and fear of false-flag enemies to keep us compliant.

I don't believe that shadowy, all-powerful men in secret societies sat in secret chambers planning all this. That would require far too much intelligence. I just think that greedy, sociopathic, ultra-wealthy people threw a lot of money around to arrange things for their benefit. Wealth led to regulatory capture which led to more wealth and more regulatory capture... The cycle snowballed over decades until it became an avalanche - a coup.

"Belief is the enemy of Truth." The belief in American Exceptionalism plus "normalcy bias"- the irrational belief that, "It could never happen here," keeps people from seeing how far the coup has progressed.

[don]

Re: Four banker suicides within a week - A sign, or mere coincidence?

A Big +1 Shiny

[Master Shake]

Re: Four banker suicides within a week - A sign, or mere coincidence?

It is all just speculation and definitely a big bite to swallow. Here's my reasoning:

I look at what I was taught about the Soviet Union when I was a little girl:

• Governent control over the people was centralized.
• The Soviet government had total control over the media, which was basically a propaganda machine.
• Even though people got to vote in elections, all the candidates were members of the same party so there was basically no choice.
• The government spied on its people, monitored their movements around the country and controlled their comings and goings.

Switch to present day in the USA:

• Government control is largely centralized in Washington, and moreso every day.
• The MSM is centralized in only a few hands. It is little more than a propaganda machine.
• Republocrats use social issues to keep up the illusion that there are major differences between the parties, but they all serve the same corporate masters to the detriment of the majority of citizens.
• The government spies on us in ways the KGB could only fantasize about. It monitors our movements and controls our comings and goings.
• Lawless oligarchs own the politicians and possibly the courts, who dutifully skew policies and taxpayer dollars to the benefit of said oligarchs.
• The breakdown of the Rule of Law is approaching critical mass.

The last 30-40 years or so have been a gradual bloodless coup by banks and corporations to take over the government. They succeeded. The government doesn't need concentration camps to control serfs "consumers." They've given us entertainment and drugs to keep us comfortably numb, plus debt and fear of false-flag enemies to keep us compliant.

I don't believe that shadowy, all-powerful men in secret societies sat in secret chambers planning all this. That would require far too much intelligence. I just think that greedy, sociopathic, ultra-wealthy people threw a lot of money around to arrange things for their benefit. Wealth led to regulatory capture which led to more wealth and more regulatory capture... The cycle snowballed over decades until it became an avalanche - a coup.

"Belief is the enemy of Truth." The belief in American Exceptionalism plus "normalcy bias"- the irrational belief that, "It could never happen here," keeps people from seeing how far the coup has progressed.

Very well stated.

[vt]

Re: Four banker suicides within a week - A sign, or mere coincidence?

This makes it 7 since the start:

http://nypost.com/2014/03/12/trader-...ium=SocialFlow