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    Motorway speed cameras to be rolled out to stop those driving faster than 70mph

    Motoring groups condemn planned introduction of motorway speed cameras, claiming scheme is about raising revenue rather than road safety

    Speed cameras will line miles of smart motorways Photo: PA








    By Martin Evans

    6:53PM GMT 02 Feb 2014

    345 Comments


    Speed cameras designed to catch motorists driving in excess of 70mph are to be installed along hundreds of miles of motorway for the first time.


    New so-called ‘stealth cameras’, which will be grey rather than bright yellow, are to be deployed on busy stretches of some of the most important motorways including the M1, M6 and M25.

    Previously, motorway speed cameras have mainly been situated on stretches undergoing roadworks, in order to enforce variable speed limits.


    But now for the first time the Highways Agency is looking at the widespread introduction of cameras to target drivers exceeding the maximum allowed speed of 70mph.


    The cameras will be deployed on sections of so-called smart motorway, where the flow of traffic is carefully controlled using a variety of techniques.

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    According to the Highways Agency, smart-motorways will prevent jams and allow the better flow of traffic by carefully controlling speed limits and opening hard shoulders to traffic where necessary.
    But critics claim the introduction of cameras aimed at enforcing the 70mph limit, is not about road safety but about generating income through fines.

    One recent survey in Autocar magazine, found that almost 95 per cent of motorists admitted driving in excess of 70mph while on the motorway.

    The authorities are also allowed a certain amount of discretion when prosecuting speeding motorists, with drivers travelling as fast as 86mph in a 70mph zone allowed to avoid points if they pay to attend a speed awareness course

    With the cameras likely to be less visible than those currently in use, critics also point out that they will have no impact on actually slowing drivers down.

    Roger Lawson, a spokesman for the Alliance of British Drivers (ABD), said: “We are opposed to speed cameras in general. The evidence of their success in promoting safety is not good and in reality what is happening now is that the police are using speed cameras to fund their other activities through speed awareness courses.”

    He added: “If these cameras are grey rather than yellow they are going to be harder to spot and so will have no impact in slowing traffic down. If there is a good reason for the traffic to be slowed down then the cameras need to be as visible as possible.”

    The ABD has called for an increase in the upper speed limit on motorways to 80mph.
    It is thought that the new cameras, dubbed Hadsec3 (Highways Agency digital enforcement camera system) will be and running along more than 100 miles of motorway within two years, with the further roll-out eventually covering at least 400 miles of road.

    Speed cameras have been a politically sensitive topic with the Coalition scrapping the capital grant for local authorities to pay for cameras in the 2010-2011 budget.

    The police have also been reluctant to employ speed cameras on motorways because of the cost implications.

    But digital technology has made it cheaper and easier to install, monitor and collect information from cameras.

    A spokesman for the Highways Agency said: “These are not stealth cameras they are more visible that they were before. These motorways are not about speed limits. They are about smoothing the traffic flows and increasing capacity.”
    The spokesman said the new cameras would be signposted and added: “The onus is on the driver to abide by the speed limit.”

  • #2
    Re: Thin edge of the wedge

    We had these cameras on stretches of our freeways. There were so many problems with them that they were eventually pulled. It's not about safety but generating money.

    Arizona Freeway Speed Cameras

    Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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    • #3
      Re: Thin edge of the wedge

      Nothing new. In Germany and Switzerland they have autobahn camera systems that calculate the speed a car is travelling between two separate, known camera locations. Even if you were not speeding at the time of passing either camera, if you were speeding between the two locations they send you a penalty notice.

      Big Brother is alive and well...

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      • #4
        Re: Thin edge of the wedge

        cars also now contain "black boxes" like those on airplanes, to be read in case of an accident. i admit to having mixed feelings about these developments, though i think my wife would appreciate the effect that lots of speed cameras would have on my driving.

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        • #5
          Re: Thin edge of the wedge

          Gee, thanks GRG55!
          The other day I drove from Northern Italy through Switzerland and Germany. In Switzerland I try and be mega careful as I have been done a few times in tunnels, but I think I might just have slipped up once as I was getting pissed off with some moron. It is expensive!
          I did not know about this system in Germany. I was tired and maybe sped, but hopefully not by much. Anyway the Germans usually went faster!
          I got done in Belgium a few weeks back when I got slightly lost due to roadworks and saw a green traffic light which turned amber as I approached. I decided to go for it and got nailed with a big fine. I blame the new BMW with its fancy auto gearbox as it is so easy to speed.

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          • #6
            Re: Thin edge of the wedge

            Just bend over and call it a "user fee". Traffic camera Nazism is all the rage these days with "police" and "safety" groups.

            Edmonton practically pays for its police force with its photo radar program. You can't imagine the frustration of driving on a nearly empty 8 lane highway doing 85kph (53mph). Stupidest thing I've seen.

            In Ontario the cops got so greedy with the ticket funds the Government shut down photo radar from the public outcry. On a stretch of highway (Don Valley) where 140kph (85mph) is common the police set the trigger threshold to 104kph (65mph). Not even old ladies in buicks drive that slow. It was pretty crazy.

            Anyways, governments will always find tricks to get their pay somehow.

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            • #7
              Re: Thin edge of the wedge

              Originally posted by DRumsfeld2000 View Post
              Gee, thanks GRG55!
              The other day I drove from Northern Italy through Switzerland and Germany. In Switzerland I try and be mega careful as I have been done a few times in tunnels, but I think I might just have slipped up once as I was getting pissed off with some moron. It is expensive!
              I did not know about this system in Germany. I was tired and maybe sped, but hopefully not by much. Anyway the Germans usually went faster!
              I got done in Belgium a few weeks back when I got slightly lost due to roadworks and saw a green traffic light which turned amber as I approached. I decided to go for it and got nailed with a big fine. I blame the new BMW with its fancy auto gearbox as it is so easy to speed.
              driving one of them big bro camera ridden euro countries on vaca with the wife... in a sporty mood... warned of speed cameras... 100 kilos to our exit... told the cops are lazy & rely on the cameras & no speed traps. pick up lunch... wine & cheese & baquette & head out. wife calcs the 'correct' time for the distance @ legal speed. proceed to drive 150kph... weaving in & out... led zeplin blaring... me smoking a ceeeegar & the wife singing along. 2 kilos from exit pull over to eat... pull out & exit... total time = speed limit.
              yeh we don't get there quicker... but we have more fun!!!

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              • #8
                Re: Thin edge of the wedge

                Originally posted by DRumsfeld2000 View Post
                Gee, thanks GRG55!
                The other day I drove from Northern Italy through Switzerland and Germany. In Switzerland I try and be mega careful as I have been done a few times in tunnels, but I think I might just have slipped up once as I was getting pissed off with some moron. It is expensive!
                I did not know about this system in Germany. I was tired and maybe sped, but hopefully not by much. Anyway the Germans usually went faster!
                I got done in Belgium a few weeks back when I got slightly lost due to roadworks and saw a green traffic light which turned amber as I approached. I decided to go for it and got nailed with a big fine. I blame the new BMW with its fancy auto gearbox as it is so easy to speed.
                The government in D.C. may be dysfunctional. But Europe is grossly overgoverned. As much as I love spending time in Europe and the UK, I couldn't live there as a full time resident for more than a week. It would drive me insane...or force me to inhabit a place right on the edge of anarchy, behaving habitually like an Italian.

                Some years back, at the peak of the summer season, I was trying to fly back from Nice to London. Got caught in one of those all to common French air traffic control labour actions; a sympathy action in support of some sort of student "strike" underway in the Glorious Republic. Since I was not flying Air France, the only brand of airplane moving in French airspace that day, I found myself in a non-moving queue trying to rebook my cancelled flight. During the intermission I took it upon myself to vocally advocate for the rise of a French Ronald Reagan to "fire their azzes" and straighten the many ailments that afflicted that country...which I unhesitatingly started to itemize for the gathered flock. An overly polite Canadian expat couple mistook me for an American conservative evangelical and gently tried to persuade me that such talk would undoubtedly result in unpleasant consequences being visited upon me by the higher authorities. My response was that I personally saw the situation as a "no lose"...either they would deport me, in which event I would be on my way to my intended destination forthwith, or they would incarcerate me, in which case I would be sleeping comfortably on a bed that night, unlike those unfortunates around me destined to spend the night on the floor of the airport...
                Last edited by GRG55; February 04, 2014, 11:30 PM.

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                • #9
                  Re: Thin edge of the wedge

                  Originally posted by metalman View Post
                  weaving in & out... led zeplin blaring...
                  Lemme guess...

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