Uh Oh! The Sun's Asleep! COLD!

[BadJuju]

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All that matters is that the climate long-term is heading towards warming and significant disruption from anthropogenic change. These momentary blips in weather patterns are just that and are contained only to small portions of the earth's surface.

[brokher]

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If you read the theory to which I linked, I'm pretty sure it predicts milder (but wetter, as we have seen this year in the UK) temps just where you point out, but much colder and snowier conditions across North America and southern Europe, due to the very change in the jet stream your Norwegian source cites. The change is due directly to the shift in the jet stream. What is a causing that shift is the question. The theory is robust enough to have predicted (and subsequently provided) five years of data showing severely reduced sunspot activity. Sufficient data to establish a trend. In fact, establishment scientists in the last couple of years have published on the topic of the reduced solar activity and it's possible implications. The predicted (now established) trend of reduced solar activity, in turn, correctly forecast the increased cold and snow of this winter (and last spring's late, rainy, cold planting season in the U.S.) based on historical climate records during similar periods of reduced solar activity. There were lots of record cold temps last winter, too, just not severe and widespread enough to capture the MSM's attention. The phenomenon is not limited to North America, but even if it were, the effects in North America will have global implications.

[brokher]

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I did not say that the effects of climate cooling are limited to North America. The theory to which I linked correctly - so far - predicts global cooling, albeit unevenly distributed (as all climate is unevenly distributed). The theory predicted as long ago as 2008 the cold we are now experiencing. If the theory is correct, the recent winter cold records across the entire continent of North America are not a "blip" in a weather pattern, but the beginning of a multi-decadal cooling trend.

(I'll be happy to provide links of record snows and cold elsewhere globally). When evidence emerges which contradicts a theory, the scientific method requires a rethink of the theory, especially if competing theories which contradict it exist. If the entirety of North America (except the far southwest) is breaking decades and even centuries of seasonal records for cold and snowfall (not just an isolated incident here and there), it should give any global warming theorist pause. How many more winters of unrelenting record cold and snow (Chicago mean temperature since Jan 1 - 18 degrees - Great Lakes nearly freezing over for the first time ever) throughout the continent will it take for you to admit a rethink might be in order? One more? Two? Three?

But to stay on thread, even it were, that "small percentage" of the earth's surface is responsible for growing a large portion of the world's food -

"The United States produces approximately 35 percent of the world's corn and soybean supply, commodities that are "crucial in the food chain, because they are used for feed stock for animals," Coleman says."
Interviewee: Isobel Coleman, Senior Fellow and Director of the Civil Society, Markets, and Democracy Initiative; Director of the Women and Foreign Policy Program

So it matters a lot. And that doesn't even take Canada into consideration.

[GRG55]

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I did not say that the effects of climate cooling are limited to North America. The theory to which I linked correctly - so far - predicts global cooling, albeit unevenly distributed (as all climate is unevenly distributed). The theory predicted as long ago as 2008 the cold we are now experiencing. If the theory is correct, the recent winter cold records across the entire continent of North America are not a "blip" in a weather pattern, but the beginning of a multi-decadal cooling trend.

(I'll be happy to provide links of record snows and cold elsewhere globally). When evidence emerges which contradicts a theory, the scientific method requires a rethink of the theory, especially if competing theories which contradict it exist. If the entirety of North America (except the far southwest) is breaking decades and even centuries of seasonal records for cold and snowfall (not just an isolated incident here and there), it should give any global warming theorist pause. How many more winters of unrelenting record cold and snow (Chicago mean temperature since Jan 1 - 18 degrees - Great Lakes nearly freezing over for the first time ever) throughout the continent will it take for you to admit a rethink might be in order? One more? Two? Three?

But to stay on thread, even it were, that "small percentage" of the earth's surface is responsible for growing a large portion of the world's food -

"The United States produces approximately 35 percent of the world's corn and soybean supply, commodities that are "crucial in the food chain, because they are used for feed stock for animals," Coleman says."
Interviewee: Isobel Coleman, Senior Fellow and Director of the Civil Society, Markets, and Democracy Initiative; Director of the Women and Foreign Policy Program

So it matters a lot. And that doesn't even take Canada into consideration.

It's bloody cold up here in Canada too!
This is immediately east, just inland of Vancouver...that balmy city where real estate prices defy gravity because...well...the climate is the mildest in Canada and it NEVER snows, certainly not in March. I wonder what it must be like for Vancouverites to have to shovel their sidewalks wearing sandals?


Some Fraser Valley schools closed by snow, freezing rain

Environment Canada issues snowfall warning to Southern B.C.

CBC News Posted: Mar 03, 2014 7:36 AM PT Last Updated: Mar 03, 2014 6:14 PM PT

Snow, freezing rain and power outages forced some schools in the Fraser Valley east of Vancouver to cancel classes Monday morning.
Meanwhile Environment Canada has also posted a special weather statement for higher elevations in southern B.C., warning a series of weather systems will spread significant amounts of snow to the highway passes today and tonight.
A car tries to negotiate the snow in Chilliwack, B.C., on Monday morning. (Bal Brach/CBC)

Some Interior highway passes are forecast to receive up to 20 to 40 centimetres of snow by tomorrow morning including the Coquihalla Highway and the Okanagan Connector, the Eagle and Rogers passes on the Trans-Canada Highway, and Allison, Paulson and Kootenay passes on Highway 3.
The Sea to Sky Highway north of Vancouver may see up to 10 centimentres today before changing to rain late in the afternoon.
As of 10:30 a.m. PT, BC Hydro was reporting about 530 customers in the Lower Mainland were without power...

[lakedaemonian]

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Jeez!

We just went from hot summer to crazy gale and cold rain winter.

If only global warming were true.....we could use some right about now.

[shiny!]

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Jeez!

We just went from hot summer to crazy gale and cold rain winter.

If only global warming were true.....we could use some right about now.

Just come to Tucson. I've been hoping that if North America goes into a mini-Ice Age that a little of that chill would spread into southern Arizona. But no....

Tucson Having Its Warmest Winter on Record

and



National Overview (National Weather Service) for January

• Above normal temperatures dominated the West this month following a cooler than normal December. Many stations in California broke long-standing temperature records. On January 24th, the mercury rose to 79 F (26.1 C) in Sacramento, California, setting a new record for the highest January temperature. The previous record was 74 F (23.3 C) on January 31, 1976. The average temperature in Sacramento was 52.7 F (11.5 C), the second highest January average in the station's 137-year record. South of there, the second warmest January in Bakersfield since records began in 1937 ended up at 54.2 F (12.3 C), with a record 12 days over 70 F (21.1 C). San Francisco downtown averaged 56.5 F (13.6 C), the 2nd warmest January in its 166-year record. Further south, Santa Maria saw its warmest January in a 67-year record at 58.6 F (14.8 C), 7.1 F above normal. This includes their all-time January high of 89 F (31.7 C), recorded on the 16th. In Nevada, Las Vegas recorded its 2nd highest average January temperature at 53.1 F (11.7 C). The temperature did not drop below freezing this month in Las Vegas, the 5th such January since records began in 1937t been observed. Elsewhere in the Southwest, Phoenix, Arizona recorded an average 59.9 F (15.5 C) for the month, the second warmest January in a 120-year record. Many locations in the Northwest had record January warmth as well. Omak, in central Washington, logged its warmest January in a 105-year record at an average 50 F (10 C), including an all-time January high of 61 F (16.1 C) on the 17th. In central Idaho, temperatures at Ketchum averaged to 25.9 F (-3.4 C) for January, the second warmest since records began in 1938.
• Below normal precipitation accompanied this month's above normal temperatures, expanding drought conditions in many western states and prompting a drought State of Emergency declaration by the Governor of California. At the beginning of the month 27.5% of California was categorized as D3 or D4 (extreme to exceptional drought) by the US Drought Monitor. By the end of January, this figure rose to 67%. In southern California, Los Angeles received no measurable January precipitation. Since records began in 1878, this has only occurred in four other years. Sacramento set a record for the longest spell of consecutive stretch with no rain at 52 days, from December 7-January 29. With a total of 0.22 in (5 mm), this January was the 3rd driest since Sacramento's records began in 1877. San Francisco saw only 0.06 in (2 mm) of rain this for the driest January in the past 166 years. Normal January precipitation in San Francisco is 4.5 in (114 mm). Drought conditions also worsened in northern Nevada, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Arizona and New Mexico this month. In Arizona, Flagstaff had a run of 39 days (December 22-January 29) without precipitation, the longest winter dry streak in the station's 87 years of data. Albuquerque, New Mexico, also received no measurable January precipitation for the 9th time since 1897. In the Northwest, Medford, Oregon, recorded 0.78 in (20 mm) for the month, the 7th driest in a 103-year record. Yakima, Washington saw only 0.3 in (8 mm) precipitation this month, the 9th driest January in a 68-year record.
• At month's end, snowpack was very low in the northern Great Basin and coastal states. These regions saw snow water equivalent (SWE) values <75% of normal with a low of 15% of normal in the Lake Tahoe Basin of the Sierra Nevada. SWE values increased to the east, with basins in Utah and Idaho measured SWE values 50-100% of normal. Further east, most basins in western Montana, Wyoming, and Colorado had SWE values over 100% of normal. In Colorado, 14.3 in (36 cm) of snow fell in Denver for the 11th snowiest January on record. Cheyenne, Wyoming logged its 6th wettest January in a 100-year record with 1.01 in (26 mm) precipitation. Billings, Montana saw its 11th snowiest January in the past 80 years, with 18.2 in (46 cm) of snowfall this month. This winter is the 5th snowiest at Billings thus far at 55.8 in (142 cm).

[vinoveri]

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Coldest winter since I've been in central florida (3 yrs). Actually had to endure 2 consecutive days where the high only got to 59 F

[Fiat Currency]

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It's bloody cold up here in Canada too!

Yeah - we woke up to a few days of -35C this week. It's "only" -20C now, and it's going to a balmy -10C soon.

Per your other thread, that's why I have a Jeep with 32" Blizzaks - so I can go wherever I want whenever I want.

So I went to Hawaii for a couple of weeks.

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[lektrode]

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Yeah - we woke up to a few days of -35C this week. It's "only" -20C now, and it's going to a balmy -10C soon.

Per your other thread, that's why I have a Jeep with 32" Blizzaks - so I can go wherever I want whenever I want.

So I went to Hawaii for a couple of weeks.

hmmmm... where'd ya snap that one, fiat - big island - mauna lani, maybe?

eye know this place, but cant put me finger on it.

and havent been getting much use out of the 4 michelin Ice-X i had to fork out near 700bux for...

[lektrode]

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It's bloody cold up here in Canada too!
This is immediately east, just inland of Vancouver...that balmy city where real estate prices defy gravity because...well...the climate is the mildest in Canada and it NEVER snows, certainly not in March. I wonder what it must be like for Vancouverites to have to shovel their sidewalks wearing sandals? ...

now THAT would be a sight, up there on the 'canadian riviera' eh GRG?
rode the chair last week with a couple who told me whistler hasnt been having all that great a season?
altho they showing 227inches so far - but IIRC, thats not much for them by this time of year?

Just come to Tucson. I've been hoping that if North America goes into a mini-Ice Age that a little of that chill would spread into southern Arizona. But no....

Tucson Having Its Warmest Winter on Record

meanwhile - up this way we've gone from coldest january since 1949
to the 4th warmest february since 1874 ???

and until a few weeks ago, not very much snow, but things are starting to look UP - with the best part (read: snowiest) to come, x-fingahs

and....

..... In southern California, Los Angeles received no measurable January precipitation. Since records began in 1878, this has only occurred in four other years. Sacramento set a record for the longest spell of consecutive stretch with no rain at 52 days, from December 7-January 29. With a total of 0.22 in (5 mm), this January was the 3rd driest since Sacramento's records began in 1877....

and mammoth had been pert near desertified - with only 48" on the season, up til a few weeks ago - but they back in the game now, showing 156" after a 4foot dump last week - with the pineapple express having finally/apparently (hopefully) managed to shove that high pressure cell out of the way that had been settin off/blocking the coast most of the winter...

....At month's end, snowpack was very low in the northern Great Basin and coastal states. These regions saw snow water equivalent (SWE) values <75% of normal with a low of 15% of normal in the Lake Tahoe Basin of the Sierra Nevada.

again, like socal/mammoth, Heavenly and SquawValley have just recently/past few weeks started to krank up, but still by no means notable totals..

SWE values increased to the east, with basins in Utah and Idaho measured SWE values 50-100% of normal. Further east, most basins in western Montana, Wyoming, and Colorado had SWE values over 100% of normal. In Colorado, 14.3 in (36 cm) of snow fell in Denver for the 11th snowiest January on record. Cheyenne, Wyoming logged its 6th wettest January in a 100-year record with 1.01 in (26 mm) precipitation. Billings, Montana saw its 11th snowiest January in the past 80 years, with 18.2 in (46 cm) of snowfall this month. This winter is the 5th snowiest at Billings thus far at 55.8 in (142 cm).

with the Aspen area having "best conditions in years" - according to locals i talked to back in jan - and Vail being best in years fer yers truly a couple weeks back - and reports from the WinterPark (showing 288") and Steamboat (292") side all saying same..

but The BIG Story is JacksonHole, showing another 15new/413 on the season (with lek just a'chompin at the bit to get his butt up there, almost made it 2 wknds ago, but the s/o wasnt as enthusiastic as expected)

and we're just over 1/2way thru - at least in the BIG mountain regions - so hopes are high that the 'averages' will start to average out here perty quick, with march into april the BIG snow months.

whether or not things will improve for snowmelt/summer/farming season - esp in the central valley/CA etc ? - is the BIG question now

so all we (those of us who like the white stuff, anyway) can do, is hope Ullr will start smiling

[Fiat Currency]

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hmmmm... where'd ya snap that one, fiat - big island - mauna lani, maybe?

eye know this place, but cant put me finger on it.

Big Island, Kohala Coast @ Fairmont Orchid

[lektrode]

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Coldest winter since I've been in central florida (3 yrs). Actually had to endure 2 consecutive days where the high only got to 59 F

will never forget the winter i spent in the Fla Keys ('88-89) - a strong cold front had made the windsurfing that day just purrrfect - temps had peaked at just under 80 in the morning, the wind rocked all afternoon and backed off like it typically did after sundown - when i finally krashed that night, it was down into the 60's - got awakened by even stronger gusts blowing in the windows and the fact i was shivrin perty good - noted the temp - in Marathon - had dropped into the 40's - and as i recall, it actually snowed as far south as northern Dade county on that one

[lektrode]

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and just fer grins - what a diff a year do make - vs last years numbers

proving conclusively that "wild swings in the weather are strictly NORMAL"

[lektrode]

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Big Island, Kohala Coast @ Fairmont Orchid

right next door to mauna lani then - eye knew it looked familiar - make it over to hapuna beach park?

[Fiat Currency]

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right next door to mauna lani then - eye knew it looked familiar - make it over to hapuna beach park?

Yep, and to Kapaau to go ATVing all over Kamehameha Park. A good time was had by all.