Uh Oh! The Sun's Asleep! COLD!

[vt]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25771510


"Has the Sun gone to sleep?
17 January 2014 Last updated at 05:57 GMTScientists are saying that the Sun is in a phase of "solar lull" - meaning that it has fallen asleep - and it is baffling them.
History suggests that periods of unusual "solar lull" coincide with bitterly cold winters.
Rebecca Morelle reports for BBC Newsnight on the effect this inactivity could have on our current climate, and what the implications might be for global warming."

Video in link.

I have one comment: Gore's Fault!!!!!

Gee, it was fun to say that

[Fox]

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I love how at the end the interviewee still throws in a claim for global warming. If the IPCC didn't show themselves to be clueless already, they certainly will in 40 years time when we're in a mini ice age. I wonder if they realize that when people start freezing, they'll use environmentalists as a fuel source. And if crop failures become widespread, as a food source.

How was china during this Maunder minimum? If we thought their pollution was bad now just wait till the return of coal for home heating.

[shiny!]

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I posted this in the Climate Change section but it seems to be getting more traction here.

Weather patterns are very complex and the earth is a big place. Would a mini-ice age in the northern hemisphere automatically equate to colder temps in the southern hemisphere as well? I wonder how it would effect rainfall patterns?

[vt]

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Shiny, sorry to duplicate your post. I didn't recognize the title.

[shiny!]

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Shiny, sorry to duplicate your post. I didn't recognize the title.

No problem, vt! I wonder if there's a way to combine threads? There's an interesting post over there if you're interested. It's waaaaay above my head :-)

http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthread.php/26603-Are-we-entering-a-new-Maunder-Minimum-%28mini-ice-age%29

[GRG55]

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I posted this in the Climate Change section but it seems to be getting more traction here.

Weather patterns are very complex and the earth is a big place. Would a mini-ice age in the northern hemisphere automatically equate to colder temps in the southern hemisphere as well? I wonder how it would effect rainfall patterns?

I thought something similar had come up before on iTulip

From 06-26-08:
http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...9244#post39244

Maybe it will happen yet.

Then again, maybe not...

The argument advanced by the global warming climate change proponents regards sunspots is that "correlation is not causation". That is certainly true, but I think it does work the other way also. What we think we know about our world is highly uncertain...and perhaps more subject to chance than the human species is willing or comfortable acknowledging?

The Sunspot Enigma: The Sun is “Dead”—What Does it Mean for Earth?
Dark spots, some as large as 50,000 miles in diameter, typically move across the surface of the sun, contracting and expanding as they go. These strange and powerful phenomena are known as sunspots, but now they are all gone. Not even solar physicists know why it’s happening and what this odd solar silence might be indicating for our future.

Although periods of inactivity are normal for the sun, this current period has gone on much longer than usual and scientists are starting to worry—at least a little bit. Recently 100 scientists from Europe, Asia, Latin America, Africa and North America gathered to discuss the issue at an international solar conference at Montana State University. Today's sun is as inactive as it was two years ago, and solar physicists don’t have a clue as to why.

"It continues to be dead," said Saku Tsuneta with the National Astronomical Observatory of Japan, program manager for the Hinode solar mission, noting that it is at least a little bit worrisome for scientists.

Dana Longcope, a solar physicist at MSU, said the sun usually operates on an 11-year cycle with maximum activity occurring in the middle of the cycle. The last cycle reached its peak in 2001 and is believed to be just ending now, Longcope said. The next cycle is just beginning and is expected to reach its peak sometime around 2012. But so far nothing is happening.

"It's a dead face," Tsuneta said of the sun's appearance.

Tsuneta said solar physicists aren't weather forecasters and they can't predict the future. They do have the ability to observe, however, and they have observed a longer-than-normal period of solar inactivity. In the past, they observed that the sun once went 50 years without producing sunspots.

That period coincided with a little ice age on Earth that lasted from 1650 to 1700. Coincidence? Some scientists say it was, but many worry that it wasn’t.

Geophysicist Phil Chapman, the first Australian to become an astronaut with NASA, said pictures from the US Solar and Heliospheric Observatory also show that there are currently no spots on the sun. He also noted that the world cooled quickly between January last year and January this year, by
about 0.7C.

"This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record, and it puts us back to where we were in 1930," Dr Chapman noted in The Australian recently.

If the world does face another mini Ice Age, it could come without warning.

Evidence for abrupt climate change is readily found in ice cores taken from Greenland and Antarctica. One of the best known examples of such an event is the Younger Dryas cooling, which occurred about 12,000 years ago, named after the arctic wildflower found in northern European sediments. This event began and ended rather abruptly, and for its entire 1000 year duration the North Atlantic region was about 5°C colder.

Could something like this happen again? There’s no way to tell, and because the changes can happen all within one decade—we might not even see it coming.

The Younger Dryas occurred at a time when orbital forcing should have continued to drive climate to the present warm state. The unexplained phenomenon has been the topic of much intense scientific debate, as well as other millennial scale events.

Now this 11-year low in Sunspot activity has raised fears among a small but growing number of scientists that rather than getting warmer, the Earth could possibly be about to return to another cooling period. The idea is especially intriguing considering that most of the world is in preparation for global warming.

Canadian scientist Kenneth Tapping of the National Research Council has also noted that solar activity has entered into an unusually inactive phase, but what that means—if anything—is still anyone’s guess.

Another solar scientist, Oleg Sorokhtin, a fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, however, is certain that it’s an indication of a coming cooling period.

Sorokhtin believes that a lack of sunspots does indicate a coming cooling period based on certain past trends and early records. In fact, he calls manmade climate change "a drop in the bucket" compared to the fierce and abrupt cold that can potentially be brought on.

[aaron]

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It has been too long since I had my doomer fix.
Thanks!

[Adeptus]

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I have one comment: Gore's Fault!!!!!
Gee, it was fun to say that

Now this is what I call bad timing....
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[cobben]

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I have one comment: Gore's Fault!!!!!

Gee, it was fun to say that

Yes, well, it probably is his fault, or at the very least he is guilty by association.


Global Warming and Other Superstitions

Bob Hoye | Tue, Feb 19, 2013

Each of the three great experiments in authoritarian government in the senior economy included some promotional inspiration. As Rome was corrupted from a republic to a police state the "Genius of the Emperor" provided compelling guidance. In the Sixteenth Century "Papal Infallibility" provided the front for a venal and corrupt bureaucracy. The current financial experiment started around 1900 and essential dogma has included the omniscience and omnipotence of central bankers.

The wonders of extremely intrusive government under the label of Communism was rejected by an always dissatisfied and, in 1989, suddenly critical public. The fall of the Berlin Wall was the symbol. Just as suddenly, full-on socialism could not be sold to the public by control freaks. "The Freeman" in the early 1990s had an article that named the names that turned to environmentalism as a possibly more successful way to impose control. The most successful and at the same time the most dangerous within this political movement has been "Anthropogenic Global Warming" (AGW). Then, the promoters discovered that the climate has been warming for some 12,000 years and the pitch was morphed to "Climate Change". The labels also included "Greenhouse Effect" and no matter what the weather event the "cause" has been the evils of free-market economies.

Research behind the effort was quite limited - the assumption has been that there has been only one influence upon the climate and that is atmospheric carbon dioxide. This was an IPCC selection from all of the influences upon climate. The main ones are solar energy, which is variable, and the amount received at the Earth's surface, which also varies. Both variations are periodic - as are consequent warming phases and cooling phases.




Livingston and Penn called for a significant decline in solar activity and the numbers are confirming it. Within a couple of years it could be concluded that the Modern Maximum is over. That the trend could continue to another minimum that would be as severe as the Maunder Minimum is uncertain.

The main thing is that IPCC was run by a political caste that selected theories about climate disaster and when necessary data were cooked to "prove" otherwise unsupportable notions. The goal was to create hysteria that could only be remedied through massive increases in taxation and intrusion upon private life.

[santafe2]

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I love how at the end the interviewee still throws in a claim for global warming. If the IPCC didn't show themselves to be clueless already, they certainly will in 40 years time when we're in a mini ice age.

There are a few things to keep in mind regarding the Maunder Minimum. It lasted for about 70 years and unlike today, there was almost no activity. There are currently 95 sunspots which is lower than average for this part of the cycle but it's not unprecedented by any means. Weather-wise, the Maunder Minimum was also a somewhat local event. That is, it caused temperatures to drop in Europe and likely in the US but was not a global phenomenon.

The current theory is that sunspot activity in the current cycle is strongly correlated with the strength of the sun's polar magnetic field during the previous cycle. Scientists have been predicting this outcome for Cycle 24 for some time but it's not yet clear if the next cycle will be as weak. Again, we are not at all close to a level of sunspot activity experienced during the Maunder Minimum.

I don't think anyone knows if a negative forcing like this would offset a positive forcing like increased CO2 or if this weaker sunspot cycle has influenced the unusually small amount of additional atmospheric warming recently. For anyone interested in sunspot activity you can follow the link to keep track of this and other geeky space related items like asteroids heading toward earth...
http://spaceweather.com/

[vt]

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Alas, Always the problem with the left; saying they want to help the poor and have justice, when the real goal is total power and dictatorship. Just trading the banksters for the politburo

[brokher]

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http://www.landscheidt.info/?q=node/50

For a quick synopsis scroll down a bit to Chart "SC5-SC24 Layman's Count Comparison" and commentary underneath (including one additional chart).

I have been following this since 2008. Writing now from Scottsdale, AZ (average high Feb temp 73 degrees - one full week this year in the low 80's)
at a residence purchased last April. Watching the development of these charts since 2008 convinced me that winters even in the D.C. area where I normally reside would become unbearable.

Not interested in the politics of global warming - just the truth about weather trends which affect many areas of investing.
(Don't depend on the MSM to educate on this. The lack of attention and/or disinformation is comparable to the spin on economic statistics and trends.)

[peakishmael]

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http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...er-hot-january

[vt]

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Co Founder of Greenpeace MOORE: "It is a powerful convergence of interests among a very large number of elites, including: Politicians, who want to make it seem as though they're saving the world; environmentalists, who want to raise money and get control over very large issues like our entire energy policy; media, for sensationalism; universities and professors for grants. You can't hardly get a science grant these days without saying it has something to do with climate change. It is a kind of nasty combination of extreme political ideology and a religious cult all rolled into one" Patrick Moore:

http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...e-9159627.html

The media are not reporting this bombshell anywhere.

[Slimprofits]

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Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore has angered environmentalist groups after saying climate change is "not caused by humans" and there is "no scientific proof"

Patrick Moore, our VT and many, many others make the common error of confusing the absence of evidence with the evidence of absence.

In a sane world, the burden of proof would be on the people that insist their actions cannot bring about systemic risks and cause blowups to complex, interdependent systems, such as Mother Nature or a global economy.

However we don't live in a sane world and the people that take those risks and cause fantastic blowups will continue to be bailed out by the public. Private profits and Public losses (cleanups).


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Along similar lines, the "solution to pollution is dilution" is analogous to Securitization.