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    Credit 'heart attack' engulfs China and Korea
    By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, International Business Editor

    Last Updated: 12:47am GMT 23/11/2007

    The global credit crisis has hit Asia with a vengeance for the first time, triggering a massive flight to safety as investors across the region pull out of risky assets.

    Hong Kong's Hang Seng index fell 4.15pc, while Tokyo's Nikkei slumped to the lowest level in a year and a half

    Yields on three-month deposits in China and Korea have plummeted to near 1pc in a spectacular fall over recent days, caused by panic withdrawls from money market funds and credit derivatives.

    "This is a severe warning sign," said Hans Redeker, currency chief at BNP Paribas. "Asia ignored the credit crunch in August but now we're seeing the poison beginning to paralyse the whole global economy," he said.

    Korean and Chinese three-month yields have fallen from 4pc to 1pc in a matter of days in a eerie replay of events on Wall Street in late August when flight from banks and the US commercial paper markets caused yields on three-month Treasuries to falls at the fastest rate ever recorded. Asian investors appear to be opting for deposit accounts with government guarantees.

    It is unclear what prompted this latest "heart attack" in the credit system, though rumours abound that Asian banks have yet to own up to their share of the expected $400bn to $500bn losses from the US mortgage debacle.

    Stock markets were battered across the region. The Hang Seng index in Hong Kong fell 4.15pc, while Tokyo's Nikkei slumped to the lowest level in a year and a half, dragged down by the shares of the 'Seven Samurai' exporters.

    Asian jitters set off fresh turmoil on Europe's credit markets. The iTraxx index measuring default insurance on bank and insurance bonds hit an all-time high of 63.5.

    "The whole financial market is in turmoil with Bund-Swap-Spreads going through the roof," said Andrew Guy, director of ADG Capital Management.

    Marcus Schuler, director of credit marketing at Deutsche Bank, said spreads on low-grade European bonds had been jumping ten basis points a day for the last week. "There's been risk aversion across the board," he said.

    In a rare move, the European Covered Bond Council said it was suspending trading of mortgage-linked bonds in the inter-bank-market owing to the "undue over-acceleration in the widening of spreads".

    Abbey National today cancelled its sale of covered bonds, the third company to withdraw an issue this week.

    Charles Dumas, chief strategist for Lombard Street Research, said credit woes had led to an alarming spike in the 'Ted spread' between commercial Libor and US Treasury bills, now near 150 basis points. "Libor is at a premium to T-bills not matched the great crash in 1987," he said.

    Mr Redcker said the flight from risk has led to a sudden unwinding of the $1,200bn yen "carry trade" as hedge funds and Japanese investors close risky positions. The yen has snapped back violently from yen118 to yen108 against the dollar since early October, with similar moves against other Anglo-Saxon currencies.

    "We're seeing a liquidation of the carry trade. For years it created liquidity for global equities in an upward spiral, but this has now turned into a downward spiral. Base metal prices are falling, which that tells us that Asia may not be as strong as we thought," he said.

    Copper prices fell 6.4 percent in Shanghai today. It follows data showing China's copper imports fell 4.4pc in October, a sign that central bank moves to choke off credit is starting to slow runaway investment in heavy industry and construction.

    Jerry Lou, China analyst for Morgan Stanley, said the Shanghai bourse -- already down 15pc -- was now the word's "biggest valuation bubble". "Lessons from Japan in the late 1980s show that once the stock market starts to head down, earnings and multiple contraction can together crush the market like a market rolling downhill," he said.
    Last edited by FRED; November 27, 2007, 08:50 AM. Reason: Removed a bunch of javascript and stuff.

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    Re: Credit 'heart attack" engulfs China and Korea

    lots of skeletons in the closets.

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      China interest rate at 1%. Boy did Tet ever nail it!

      See Tet quote below from 9-12-07.

      Originally posted by Tet View Post
      I would think business already stopped spending and home buyers already stopped buying. Too late in the game not to give the cut, I don't think it's in anyone's best interest for Fed Surprises. ECB cuts, Canada cuts, NZ cuts, Australia cuts, Japan doesn't raise, South Africa cuts, Brazil continues to cut, Russia cuts, China cuts and the race to zero begins.

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        Originally posted by Gordo View Post
        China interest rate at 1%. Boy did Tet ever nail it!

        See Tet quote below from 9-12-07.

        China banned new bank loans since 31st October. Their mortgage rate now stands at 8%. Still low considering people are willing to pay pawnshops 30% interest per annum because prices have been rising 10% a month since early this year!

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          Re: Credit 'heart attack" engulfs China and Korea

          Originally posted by Gordo View Post
          China interest rate at 1%. Boy did Tet ever nail it!

          See Tet quote below from 9-12-07.

          Huh????? :confused:
          Originally Posted by Tet I would think business already stopped spending and home buyers already stopped buying. Too late in the game not to give the cut, I don't think it's in anyone's best interest for Fed Surprises. ECB cuts, Canada cuts, NZ cuts, Australia cuts, Japan doesn't raise, South Africa cuts, Brazil continues to cut, Russia cuts, China cuts and the race to zero begins.
          Let's see, in order: ECB - Officially on hold. Canada - officially on hold. NZ - kept rate on hold at 8.25% (!) on Oct 24. Australia - RAISED interest rate to 6.75% on Nov 6. Japan - on hold, but making noises it wants to raise rates. South Africa - RAISED interest rates by 0.5% to 10.5% on Oct 12. Brazil - CUT rate 0.25% to 11.25% (!) on Sept 5. Russia - (don't know). China - RAISED official rate from 6.84 to 7.02% on August 21.

          The Fed and Brazil are the only ones cutting, and Brazil is cutting from the highest interest rates of the bunch by far. Good chance Tet will be proven right eventually, but a bit early for a victory lap just yet don't you think?
          Last edited by GRG55; November 28, 2007, 02:11 AM.

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            [MEDIA]Korean and Chinese three-month yields have fallen from 4pc to 1pc in a matter of days in a eerie replay of events on Wall Street in late August when flight from banks and the US commercial paper markets caused yields on three-month Treasuries to falls at the fastest rate ever recorded. [/MEDIA]

            The lead article from the UK Telegraph says Chinese 3 month yields are 1%.

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              Re: Credit 'heart attack" engulfs China and Korea

              Gordo -

              Update on your oil shorts. I'm reading that the XOI (AMEX oil index) is going to be trending between 1350 on the downside and 1500 on the upside for the next 'month or two' after which what I'm reading is calling for it to break upward.

              If you are being enticed by talk of a coming global recession and a stiff correction in petroleum, I'm here to suggest to you that's not going to be a good call, especially for any leveraged positions to attempt waiting for that.

              The trading range is narrowing from those high and low boundaries, with an upward bias. The expected outcome of any narrowing trend is a breakout in the direction of the bias.

              I put it to you for whatever it's worth. If they were my positions, I'd be out of there like a scalded cat.

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                Re: Credit 'heart attack" engulfs China and Korea

                If they were my positions, I'd be out of there like a scalded cat.
                Lukester,

                Thanks for the info. You may well be right. Oil seems to going up to 98-99 and then down to 91, back and forth. It may be time to do a little daytrading or at least short term trading.

                In the meantime, I think I'll just keep "meowing" along but if I get scalded, you will definitely hear me "screech".

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