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    DEBT CRISIS
    IMF compulsory levy: The plan for large expropriation is

    German Economic News | 06:11:13, 01:53 | 2 comments
    The IMF's strategy for the expropriation of large works: The proposal to levy a tax debt of 10 percent of the assets of all European households, a stone was thrown into the water - to explore how large the resistance of the citizens will be. Experts say that the whole thing would never as bad. But beware: The toxic soup already cooked on the stove. If they served, the Germans are also asked to pay.



    BFFs Angela Merkel and IMF chief Christine Lagarde. It would be naive if the Germans believe that it is precisely they are exempt from compulsory levy for debt reduction. They are the best savers. (Photo: Reuters)

    After about a two-week scare the compulsory levy on all assets of the IMF is now also arrived at the traditional media in Germany, in the form of a small dpa report.This is a translation of the press release by the IMF, the IMF published on his website.
    The German Economic news had it on 17 October reports ( original is here ) - in fairness it should be noted that quite a few financial blogs and especially large U.S. media such as Forbes magazine in front of us over the corresponding IMF paper had written.
    In an analysis paper of the IMF strategists had among other things the possibility of a one-time wealth tax of 10 percent for all European households described.
    The IMF now claims that it is only a "purely theoretical thought experiment"handle, as the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reported. That should have said an IMF spokeswoman. Whether the good woman really speak of a "purely theoretical thought experiment", we do not know: The quote is at the FAZ, interestingly, not in quotation marks.
    More revealing is because already the opinion of the IMF itself Unfortunately it is not available in German, because the IMF Germany does not consider important enough to inform on his website the German savers so that they can read in their native language, what is going on.
    Therefore, we need to translate the text. It reads:
    "In response to false reports about an alleged proposal by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) on property taxes, managing director of the IMF's Fiscal Affairs Department of shares Mr. Sanjeev Gupta, today:
    An analytical box in the latest edition of the Fiscal Monitor describes a number of external discussions and experiences on a one-off wealth tax .Attention is also drawn to consider cost disadvantages (downside risks) of such a charge. Such assets tax is not expressly recommended.
    The analytical description of the object in Fiscal Monitor should not be regarded as a policy proposal to be misunderstood by the IMF, which does not exist. "
    The IMF uses in his appeasement of a refined method - by referring only to the legendary red box on page 49 of the paper.
    However, this box is not anywhere on the Himalayas : It is in the context of the search for tax reforms to restructure the debt geratenen out of kilter households.
    Tax cuts are not the cause well.
    The whole paper is about how the debt crisis will be solved by higher taxes can.It is about nothing else.
    In this context, the IMF said the box gets an entirely different meaning.
    Here is the speech of the disadvantages of compulsory levy . These disadvantages are not as described, the IMF says that such expropriation is a legally highly problematic idea - and should therefore disappear again in the drawers.
    The disadvantages of mandatory levy, the IMF sees only the risk that citizens evade tax by tax evasion could.
    It says that there is a wealth of experience with such a compulsory levy as "inEurope after the First and in Germany and Japan after the Second World Warwas conducted. "
    The considerations of the IMF go now then, what problems might arise in the levying:
    "As analyzed by Eichengreen (1990), experience shows: Much more than a loss of credibility had the simple failure of the debt-reduction (through the compulsory levy, ed), mainly because of the delay in the launch area for substantial avoidance (. tax evasion, avoidance eng) and capital flight was - what a subsequently inflation triggered ".
    The concern about tax evasion triebt the financial elite for quite some time around: At the G-20 summit in Moscow a few weeks ago - largely unnoticed by the public - decided that the tax authorities together in future technology worldwide will be: The global access on the asset is available from 2015 ( detail here ).
    German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble announced by the Greek country-compulsory levy on ZDF laughing, "that bank deposits are a sensitive thing, therefore making it something on the weekend "( more here ).
    The statement that the IMF does not suggest such a duty is only to be true, when said box is in fact an analysis box.
    But in the "Executive Summary" is expressly that a capital levy for a solution to the debt crisis continues:
    "In principle, offer tax on capital and a significant revenue potential at relatively low cost-effectiveness . Their effectiveness in the past was far from encouraging, but that could change because grant by increasing public interest and increased international support and cooperation to reduce opportunities for tax avoidance . "
    So it is clear what the IMF wants: The compulsory levy was not successful in the past, because the taxpayers could escape from it. However, you may return the euro debt crisis on the pre-crisis level: For this purpose, were calculated in the ominous red box, how much the tax on all European assets would result.
    Coincidence?
    Why did not the IMF calculates the wealth of all Americans, or all Chinese or oil sheiks?
    Why do Europeans?
    The conclusion in the executive summary says the opposite of what Mr. Gupta is now in its "Notice" claims: A property tax is a realistic option, it only needs to be done so that there is no escape for the savers are.
    The - purely random - selection of European assets should the Germans cause of great vigilance be. After all, the IMF experts have a concrete idea: put their calculation, the net assets of all households based.
    As the whole world is thinking of Germany.
    By day and by night.
    In an n-tv interview said Carsten Brzeski, chief economist of ING-Diba, that such a "gimmick" for most of southern Europe comes into question. He concedes, however, that the IMF "initiated the discussion" with the idea had.
    The chief economist at Commerzbank, Joerg Kraemer, makes any concrete thoughts. He told the Handelsblatt: "It makes sense could be a capital levy for very highly indebted countries, whose citizens have considerable financial assets." but excluding properties used should be because otherwise the homeowner would have to go into debt for the tax.
    The World reported that an expert DIW said that the forced levy in Italy and Greece a " useful tool "could be.
    Germany before bankers, experts and media want to keep as far as possible the debate: the DIW-man said that the Germans already pay enough taxes.
    And the focus is equal to full-clear :
    "In plain English: As long as it goes well the banks in Germany, they make profits and are able to increase their capital buffers as recently happened to have the German savers nothing to fear - neither with a balance of 100,000 euros or beyond. "
    That would be nice.
    But the facts, facts, facts look different: For the euro-zone 's debt, the needGerman savers are included. Otherwise agreed by the IMF - purely coincidental, but very accurate - created sample calculation not: If you were to pick only Italy in this way out of the debt trap, the Italians would have to pay more like 20 percent. From the Greeks we do not want to talk.
    The IMF compulsory levy will only work if the European Community liability is enforced.
    The former euro-group leader Jean-Claude Juncker has the mirror given in 1999 for the record:
    "We decide on something, then put into the space and wait a while to see what happens. If there is no hue and cry and no uprisings, because most people have no idea what was decided there, then we go on - ., step by step until there is no turning back "
    That is what the IMF proposal.
    The IMF can not naturally command the world.
    But the banks want their money back from the debtors.
    The debt have made the governments. You have to find the money.
    The specific details are left to the policy - because the IMF will not get their hands dirty.
    You need to consider how they get the money, not their own.
    Much room do not have the debt-politician.
    But they remain a privilege.
    They will determine the weekend.




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    I cannot help wondering why the IMF is not considering 'America, or the Oil Sheiks, or China' in this plan? Is it just not our turn yet?

  • #2
    Re: Imf floating 10% euro tax idea

    About a year ago we bought a vineyard property in Italy with the intent of eventually working/retiring there. We are spending a fortune renovating it. I hope that they do not go after non residents with a tax or something on property. I think that a property tax in Italy would cause riots, in fact the 10% tax would also cause riots.

    What a mess this world is in! You work and then they want to steal even more of your money.

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    • #3
      Re: Imf floating 10% euro tax idea

      I commented on this one last month here.

      I actually think it's just an afterthought to a rather academic report. Basically, there's a one-liner on the last page that says if you wanted to bring debt levels down to pre-recession levels, it would require a 10% wealth tax. But having read it, I don't see anywhere where the report advocates this idea.

      Make no mistake: this is a report about exploring revenue options (taxes) to plug deficit gaps specifically in the Eurozone, but throughout the developed world. But this wealth tax idea is not one they promote or spend very much time with at all in the report. In fact, of the couple sentences they spend on the idea, one states:

      Reviewed in Eichengreen (1990), this experience suggests that more notable than any loss of credibility was a simple failure to achieve debt reduction, largely because the delay in introduction gave space for extensive avoidance and capital flight—in turn spurring inflation

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      • #4
        Re: Imf floating 10% euro tax idea

        But isn't that how it starts:
        What if...
        What do you think...
        Sounds like a good idea...
        Bend over and guess what we have as a solution...

        Cyprus was suppose to be a "one off, never to be repeated" now all major economies have a Bail-in policy.

        In the end the current system is on life support from CB printed money. Either A) they steal your savings outright to reduce debt. or B) they steal your savings through inflation to reduce debt,

        At least option A) is deliberate, purposeful and contained. Option B) eventually runs out of control and is very messy, with the rich coming out better than the poor. Social discontent and disorder become bigger issues if things get really bad.

        Ultimately having a net value of about 0 and living in a small community of one of the only remaining financially stable countries, I'm ok with both options. However if my finances reflect the majority Dcarrigg, you have a lot to worry about.

        As for the case in point you mention, that just means they will pull this rabbit out of the hat quickly before people can prepare for it. The political backlash will be enormous though. And Although it may be necessary (perhaps preferable to Weimer-izing the world), does any one of TPTB have the balls for it.

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        • #5
          Re: Imf floating 10% euro tax idea

          This is a tried and true strategy to soften the public up for the real plan. Real estate developers use the technique all the time to overcome local community resistance to development projects.

          For example, a developer purchased a 3 acre property nearby. The initial plan submitted to the town was for 13 homes on a circle with street lights, a guaranteed eyesore in an otherwise pristine wooded community with 100-year-old strict zoning laws. The proposal created the hue and cry that the developers expected. Meetings were held. Wetlands preservation experts were consulted. Protests and other dramas ensued. Finally the developer revealed the plan they intended all along for three homes off in the woods on a long driveway in a configuration that complies with zoning laws -- bad enough, and not nearly as attractive as the farm that used to be there, but far less intrusive than the 13 home development on a new street. The local community endorsed it 100%.

          The European policy makers are playing a similar game and using the IMF as the leading edge. After the outrage over a 10% tax on assets dies down, a less onerous and by comparison reasonable sounding alternative will be proposed and the public will support it out of relief for dodging the fictitious 10% tax bullet.

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          • #6
            Re: Imf floating 10% euro tax idea

            Hi EJ
            Back from the BMW dealership?

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            • #7
              Re: Imf floating 10% euro tax idea

              OK, so there's just one question I have. I guess I just don't understand how there can be all these trillions of dollars in debt that was borrowed, and no one has the money now. Who holds the note for the debt? Who gets the money when the debt is paid off? I have this mental picture of a thousand 3 card Monty tables in the town square and everybody's getting fleeced by a rigged game, but the money just disappears. No one admits to winning the money. And everybody is forced to keep playing the crooked game. If it's those shady looking guys off in the corner let's just string them up by their heels and beat'em with an ugly stick until the money falls out.
              "I love a dog, he does nothing for political reasons." --Will Rogers

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              • #8
                Re: Imf floating 10% euro tax idea

                When loans are paid back or are written off, money disappears.

                Everybody borrowed a lot in Europe and then bought crap. That crap is now worth $500 billion. The other 2.5 trillion is money that must be paid back. Most can't be. Do you let your banking system fall apart or do you buy up all the notes and pretend they are worth something?

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                • #9
                  Re: Imf floating 10% euro tax idea

                  aaron

                  If you want to see who has borrowed the most and then bought the most crap just look at the USA.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Imf floating 10% euro tax idea

                    Bingo! A variation on the bait-and-switch.
                    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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                    • #11
                      Re: Imf floating 10% euro tax idea

                      Originally posted by EJ View Post
                      The European policy makers are playing a similar game and using the IMF as the leading edge. After the outrage over a 10% tax on assets dies down, a less onerous and by comparison reasonable sounding alternative will be proposed and the public will support it out of relief for dodging the fictitious 10% tax bullet.
                      So does that mean the Cyprus plan was originally to hose Big depositors all along? So to make it palatable they created an uproar with the "6% for everyone" haircut? That sounds pretty insidious as well as astute.

                      I'm not so confident in our public leaders to be so purposeful. But perhaps that's just mine, and others, naive belief in their ineptitude. I have bought their bumbling ruse to cover some pretty nefarious thinking.

                      But Machiavelli puppeteer aside, the Cyprus playbook was a 6% universal tax grab turned in to a 60% "large depositor" tax grab. So does that mean the EU is proposing a 10% universal grab and will morph that into a 100% on big depositors? But that means the TPTB will be destroying their own wealth. One of the reasons why the Cyprus experience worked is because it was basically Europeans screwing over Russians, with small business caught up as collateral damage.

                      The European Elite can't steal from the European Elite. That's just not how things work these days. Perhaps we're just too much in the "What if" stage to see where this is going, but does Europe have big enough sacrificial foreigners to pull such a thing off without inflicting economic "scorched earth" on their own people? Can Europe confiscate foreign investment and even survive in this globalized world?

                      Or am I just extrapolating too far? ;P
                      Last edited by Fox; November 07, 2013, 10:48 AM.

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                      • #12
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                        The European Elite can't steal from the European Elite. That's just not how things work these days. Perhaps we're just too much in the "What if" stage to see where this is going, but does Europe have big enough sacrificial foreigners to pull such a thing off without inflicting economic "scorched earth" on their own people?
                        If the implementers of said policies are aware of them in advance, they could easily bypass a significant segment of the issue for themselves by holding their wealth in another form (stocks or bonds or real estate or doomer barbaric relic rather than cash). And if they were afraid of such a move tanking markets, they could also hedge their long positions with put options. If they decide to selectively punish any form they can always underweight it while overweighting the other options.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Imf floating 10% euro tax idea

                          Originally posted by seobook View Post
                          If the implementers of said policies are aware of them in advance, they could easily bypass a significant segment of the issue for themselves by holding their wealth in another form (stocks or bonds or real estate or doomer barbaric relic rather than cash). And if they were afraid of such a move tanking markets, they could also hedge their long positions with put options. If they decide to selectively punish any form they can always underweight it while overweighting the other options.
                          Agreed that the policies could be implemented and avoided by the implementers...but how do they avoid the repercussions? How much of a bite can they take from the populace deliberately, and ostentatiously, and still avoid pitchforks?

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                          • #14
                            Re: Imf floating 10% euro tax idea

                            Originally posted by aaron View Post
                            When loans are paid back or are written off, money disappears.

                            Everybody borrowed a lot in Europe and then bought crap. That crap is now worth $500 billion. The other 2.5 trillion is money that must be paid back. Most can't be. Do you let your banking system fall apart or do you buy up all the notes and pretend they are worth something?
                            Eventually, someone with the power to do so must decide to let the bankers and all their investors crash, no matter how disruptive and painful that will be.

                            I do not know who that person might be.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Imf floating 10% euro tax idea

                              Taxing income in the Eurozone, with 50% youth unemployment in many of those countries, and high structural unemployment across all age groups pretty well everywhere on that continent, looks increasingly problematic. What else to do but increase taxes on assets...

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